The Bible accounts for the Creation of Jesus Christ and two Beginnings...

[conciencia]

Saludos!

Although this cane be a contentious topic, but I challenge anyone to provide undisputable BIBLICAL FACTS to prove otherwise. Please no Doctines or opinions!

One of the many scriptures supporting this fact is Proverbs 8:22-31. Be advice that the LXX translates "quanah" with "EKTIOEV" ( a form of kitzo, meaning "create" or "make"). Something the Trinitarians could not argue efficiently...

The Beginning written in Genesis 1:1, Proverbs 8:22, Colossians 1:15, John 1:1,2 and Revelation 3:14.

We must keep in mind that the Beginning of John 1:1 is not the absolute beginning of time! Especially, when we know that time is an abstraction.

The preexistence of Jesus is what John 1:1 talks about not the Jesus we ususally aknowledge, also we Christian acknowledge that the "Word" was Jesus preexistence status of form. "The Word was with God in the Beginning."

Please notice that during Genesis 1:1, 26 "Let us make Man in our image"

These two scriptures show how a "PHYSICAL BEGINNING" was in the Making and how an INTAGIBLE BEING "THE WORD" helped GOD create MAN in their IMAGE. Surely the Word, [Jesus preexistance] was already created! Let look at JOB 38:4-7 where Jehovah ask Job:

Where were you when I laid the earth's Foundation? Tell me, if you understand. Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know! Who stretched a measuring line across it? On what footings set or laid its cornerstone---while the morning stars sang together and all the Angels, shouted for Joy? NIV Interesting enough we see that Angels were singing when the planning was just taking place, so these intangible beings were Created way before the Beginning of the tangible world!
To further reenforce this fact read Psalm 102:25 and Hebrews 1:10. We can easily conclude in the following Creation steps some sort of a priority of Creations [The beginning of Nontangible/physical thing/creatures]...LOGOS (WORD or Jesus Preexistance), Creation of Spirits (angels), The Beginning (of Physical things), Creation of Heaven and Earth and the Cration of Humankind.

This even be further reenforce if we read this scripture we just cannot deny, [John 1:3] It says "All things came into existance through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence." Sue I know that "DIA" is a controversial for many Trinitarians, but not really since Ron Rhodes is the instigator and a twister of the Bible to accomodate his views...we have to discount his teaching totally.

Her is where you Trinitarian try to say that Jesus and Jehovah are the same...but I remand you...these two scriptures Psalms 8:6 in 1 Corintians 15:27:" For he has put everything [panta] under his feet. if you think for a second...Jehovah cannot put everything under his ownself, RIGHT? He mean Jesus Christ...get it? The describtion is clear One is "ho theos" and the other is "theos".

Saludos and have fun!

[El_Jibaro]

[i]the Tetragrammaton YHWH, and perhaps you would be remotely believable... As it is, you are just grasping at straws .

Acts 4:12

Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other NAME under heaven given to men by which we must be saved."

Romans 10:9-13

If you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is LORD," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. 11 As the Scripture says, "Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame." 12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile--the same LORD is LORD of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13 for, "Everyone who calls on the NAME of the LORD will be saved."

1 Corinthians 6:9-11

9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the NAME of the LORD Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

Philippians 2

9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the NAME that is above every name,
10 that at the NAME of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is LORD,
to the glory of God the Father.

2 Thessalonians 1:12

We pray this so that the NAME of our LORD Jesus may be glorified in you, and you in him, according to the grace of our God and LORD Jesus Christ.

Hebrews 13:15

Through Jesus, therefore, let us continually offer to God a sacrifice of praise - the fruit of lips that confess his NAME.


1 Peter 4:14
If you are insulted because of the NAME of Christ, you are blessed, for the Spirit of glory and of God rests on you.

1 Peter 4:16

However, if you suffer as a Christian, do not be ashamed, but praise God that you bear that NAME.

1 John 2:12
I write to you, dear children, because your sins have been forgiven on account of his NAME.


1 John 3:23

And this is his command: to believe in the NAME of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us.


1 John 5:13

I write these things to you who believe in the NAME of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.

Revelation 22:12-21[b]

[conciencia]

I hope you are not discounting the validity of the OT, the reasons the Name of our Creator is not written in the NT has been severly discuss and establish. Why do you insist in allocating an imposiblility when you know the why or rational?

[El_Jibaro]

[i]The Greek word LOGOS means WORD.

The Wisdom mentioned in Proverbs 8 means literally: Skill, from the Hebrew word for SKILL, "shrewdness"; chokmah.

Lets go over those two words:

LOGOS means WORD (gender: MALE).

CHOKMAH meant SKILL-SHREWDNESS (gender: FEMALE).

Am I missing something here, or is it that Proverbs 8 is describing something else and not the WORD?

Now, lets go back to JOHN 1:3

Through HIM all things were made; without HIM nothing was made that has been made.

panta di autou egeneto kai cwris autou egeneto oude en o gegonen

So, we have here that the WORD MADE EVERYTHING. And viceversa, WITHOUT THE WORD NOTHING WAS EVER MADE.

Now, does verse three say that the "WORD MADE EVERYTHING ELSE", or are you ASSUMING THAT?

Nope, verse 3 does not say that the WORD made everything else[b], it plainly says: HE MADE EVERYTHING .

Yep, I knew it, you were just GRASPING AT STRAWS .