Jesus the Son, Yahwah/Jehovah the father who is in charge?Part I

[conciencia]

ALCON

Who is in charge, who is subordinate, Who did Satan tempted? Whoe know it all, but who is limited in all knowledge?

Is God Always Superior to Jesus?



JESUS never claimed to be God. Everything he said about himself indicates that he did not consider himself equal to God in any way—not in power, not in knowledge, not in age.

In every period of his existence, whether in heaven or on earth, his speech and conduct reflect subordination to God. God is always the superior, Jesus the lesser one who was created by God.

Jesus Distinguished From God




TIME and again, Jesus showed that he was a creature separate from God and that he, Jesus, had a God above him, a God whom he worshiped, a God whom he called "Father." In prayer to God, that is, the Father, Jesus said, "You, the only true God." (John 17:3) At John 20:17 he said to Mary Magdalene: "I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God." (RS, Catholic edition) At 2 Corinthians 1:3 the apostle Paul confirms this relationship: "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ." Since Jesus had a God, his Father, he could not at the same time be that God.

The apostle Paul had no reservations about speaking of Jesus and God as distinctly separate: "For us there is one God, the Father, . . . and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ." (1 Corinthians 8:6, JB) The apostle shows the distinction when he mentions "the presence of God and of Christ Jesus and of the elect angels." (1 Timothy 5:21, RS Common Bible) Just as Paul speaks of Jesus and the angels as being distinct from one another in heaven, so too are Jesus and God.

Jesus' words at John 8:17, 18 are also significant. He states: "In your own Law it is written, 'The witness of two men is true.' I am one that bears witness about myself, and the Father who sent me bears witness about me." Here Jesus shows that he and the Father, that is, Almighty God, must be two distinct entities, for how else could there truly be two witnesses?

Jesus further showed that he was a separate being from God by saying: "Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone." (Mark 10:18, JB) So Jesus was saying that no one is as good as God is, not even Jesus himself. God is good in a way that separates him from Jesus.

God's Submissive Servant




TIME and again, Jesus made statements such as: "The Son cannot do anything at his own pleasure, he can only do what he sees his Father doing." (John 5:19, The Holy Bible, by Monsignor R. A. Knox) "I have come down from heaven to do, not my will, but the will of him that sent me." (John 6:38) "What I teach is not mine, but belongs to him that sent me." (John 7:16) Is not the sender superior to the one sent?


Jesus told the Jews: "I have come down from heaven to do, not my will, but the will of him that sent me." —John 6:38


This relationship is evident in Jesus' illustration of the vineyard. He likened God, his Father, to the owner of the vineyard, who traveled abroad and left it in the charge of cultivators, who represented the Jewish clergy. When the owner later sent a slave to get some of the fruit of the vineyard, the cultivators beat the slave and sent him away empty-handed. Then the owner sent a second slave, and later a third, both of whom got the same treatment. Finally, the owner said: "I will send my son [Jesus] the beloved. Likely they will respect this one." But the corrupt cultivators said: "'This is the heir; let us kill him, that the inheritance may become ours.' With that they threw him outside the vineyard and killed him." (Luke 20:9-16) Thus Jesus illustrated his own position as one being sent by God to do God's will, just as a father sends a submissive son.

The followers of Jesus always viewed him as a submissive servant of God, not as God's equal. They prayed to God about "thy holy servant Jesus, whom thou didst anoint, . . . and signs and wonders are performed through the name of thy holy servant Jesus."—Acts 4:23, 27, 30, RS, Catholic edition.

[conciencia]

ALCON,

Who is in charge and who follows?

Who died and did not?

Who has the Holy Spirit Force and who does not?

Who learns form whom and who teaches?

It seems very clear to who is in charge and who is the messenger, the medium, the Lamb and the sinless man/prophet.

[MinFaluMuhammad]

In the Name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful. I bear witness that there is no God but Allah, and that Muhammad is His Messenger. Dear brothers, the issue you are dealing with is the main doctrine that has caused so many people of the world to go astray from the path of Allah (God). The Holy Qur'an does not discredit the sanctity of Mary's impregnation of the Messiah, Jesus. But, it also states that Allah (God) did not send Jesus as His only begotten son. You may not take the Holy Qur'an as a true revealed word of Allah (God). So let me point out just a few scriptures in the Bible that contradict what you are questioning. In Genesis, Ch.6 vs. 4, it reads, the sons of God came unto the daughters of men and they bare children..' Sons of God? There is more in Exodus, Ch. 4. vs. 22, it reads 'And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the Lord, Israel is my son, even my firstborn.' In Psalms Chapter 2 verse 7 it reads, 'I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.' Also in Psalms the 82nd chapter, the 6th verse it reads, 'I have said, Ye are Gods, and all of you are children of the Most High.' So who is the son of God?

your brother and servant,

Min. Hector Falu-Muhammad

[conciencia]

Hector,

I was expecting for you to point out such scriptures since those are the ones always come up in this specific topic, especially from the Islam prospective, nonetheless you should know the truth as well.

Islam has specific intentional preprogrammed documentation to discredit and undermine Christianity. That is how you have been able to get so many followers. You are right the topic I am talking about is the same reason Christianity is where we are today, by the same token this is why you have been able to capitilized on such prey/victims. I know what I see and I know how to clean this for it is written that we shall succeed, just as your religion is to also interfere. It is too clear not pass up. For example, you above references from the Bible on which you call contradictions, I am happy to tell (you might be sad) but they are not contracdictions but facts. Remember we are all sons of God and the creator refered to us as such especially his prophets.

Another area to study and analyze is the translation of the original language the Bible was written.

Also you must also understand the History of Christianity from the begining, today and future.

You see Hector Jesus was God first creation and through him all was created and through him we are saved, (but you do not believe in salvation) Through Jesus is how (GOD) listens, that is how you can pray and God listens. You see his was his first creation in a none material form but spiritual, Jesus was there in the begining. Mary was an avenue for him to get here on earth as a clean sinless Human. These thing you cannot understand since you will not seek to understand the Bible but to discredit.

I invite you to see what I see, you will be free.

[MinFaluMuhammad]

In the Name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.

Brother Concienca,
You are not very conscious of the very contradiction that has been made by your statements.

'Remember we are all sons of God and the creator refered to us as such especially his prophets.'

Well, if we are all the sons of God, then Jesus is a son of God, not the the son. The participle, 'the' denotes possession, in this case meaning the 'only'. I thought Christians believed that Jesus was the only begotten son of God.

your brother and servant,

Min. Hector Falu-Muhammad

[conciencia]

Hector,

You only call your bloodline son son? How about your nephews or just a friend of your son or daughter? do you not call me your brother, but I am not literally a son of your parents. Am I? Well you have to read the whole passage of the Bible especially those you quoted, then you will see that the information giving to you was just propaganda to undermine Christianity. Please go back, and read again those verses you just posted and you will see the true meaning, read the whole story not just a verse ok.

[MinFaluMuhammad]

Dear brother,
You have yet to answer my question. Why do Christians say that Jesus is the only begotten son, and it clearly says here in the passages that I have given you that God has also begotten others than Jesus. The explanation that you have given me, can it be applied also to Jesus. The same relationship. The Qur'an does not dispute the sanctity of Mary's impregnation with Jesus. Jesus was a chosen man, a Messiah to the Jews, their last warner. But, the Jesus that you read of in the New Testament is a prophetical Jesus,not a historical Jesus. How many times has the Bible been translated from it original tongue? How many books have been taken out of the Bible?

your brother and servant,

Min. Hector Falu-Muhammad