DEATH PENALTY?

[El_Jibaro]

To those of you against the Death Penalty:

Two guys apparently killed five people for only $2000. $400 per person. If the two men accused did the crime, should we give them room and board for the rest of their lives at public expense ? Is that JUSTICE?

Even Communist countries believe and practice the Death Penalty, so Isabel and the Gang, you know that Socialism supports it.

What I find so incredible is that these guys killed for so cheap. They may have valued their liberty, at the expense of five lives, but the injustice of the killings is so obvious.

You guys can go on being lenient to murderers, but as for me I see that "the blood of the victims is crying out for JUSTICE". Capital Punishment will not bring the victims back, but it will give the murderers with their due Reward. And it will give the mourning families the sense of Justice that their hearts and minds are crying out for.

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Manuel Alonso

[Eddier1]

[quote]Originally posted by El_Jíbaro:

>>And it will give the mourning families the sense of Justice that their hearts and minds are crying out for.<<

The most important reason of all for the death penalty is found in the need for closure for families of the victims of homicide. Now, I am not a criminologist, but it is hoped that my point of view will at least be taken in the spirit of tolerance that seems to be so lacking in this forum.
Yes we all have points of view, and on this crucial one of the death penalty it seems rational and social that we will all tolerate the points of views of everyone, no matter how varied they may be. Let's not jump on anyone for their points of view. Let's put a stop to individuals or cliques that make it a practice to JUMP on other persons because they have an opposite point of view from theirs.
That said, let me underline what I said that the families of the victims in terms of their need for closure is the primary consideration for giving the death penalty or staying the execution of it. There is in scientific socialistic ideology the principle that theory illuminates the path of practice. In the issue of the death penalty, it is a psychological theory that the mental state, affected by the emotional truama of one of their family members being murdered must be the first thing to be weighed in considering whether or not to put the murderer(s) to death. And it is a sound theory I think, because it establishes a criterion of human practice that is irrefutable.
The amount of money involved, or any other causes for the murders, therefore, should be considered of secondary importance to the primary trauma of the family members of the victims.
Therefore, if the only way the family members can receive closure for their suffering is by putting to death the individual or individuals who committed the crime of homicide, then I would support the death penalty 100% in such a case.

Mr. EddieR 1



[This message has been edited by Eddier1 (edited 29 May 2000).]

[El_Jibaro]

Eddie:

The first time we agree on something, wow!!!

That said, what you just dressed up in scientific regalia, used to be called ages ago JUSTICE. Yes, and Justice does bring a sense of closure, of psychological recovery, of community restoration. It took all the socialist theorists 150 years to rediscover, validate and confirm what humanity has known for six thousand years. Are we having progress, or what ?

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Manuel Alonso

[Eddier1]

Scientific socialism has been in existence for only 214 years; it is younger than the American revolution and the founding of the American Republic which we know as the U.S.A..
The founding father, or first scientific socialist was the French journalist Francois Noel Babeuf, with the "nom du plume" of Gracchus. It was until around the middle of the 19th century, or 1848 that the scientific socialists gained world recognition. In that short time line, they have applied their political and social system to all areas of human endeavour, and have demonstrated that it is historically determined for them to change the world for the better. That means their goals of truth, justice, and peace are changing the world like no other socio-political theories have ever done in the past. This could not occur if they did not have something new and valuable to bring to the human race and its problems of jurisprudence, and to all other problems as well.
Just a few facts to help make my former post on the Death Penalty and Justice easier to understand...

Mr. EddieR 1

[El_Criollo]

Eddie:

I didn't know that World War II Veterans were so turned on to SOCIALISM .

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desde_el_Jurutungo_de_Bairoa

[Boricua-in-US]

Criollo,

If you read very carefully at all of their entries in the past couple of weeks you can clearly see how vigorously they have denied ties with Socialism/Communism, and guess what? Here you have it, straight from the horse's mouth! I rest my case!

Take care,

Raul Rosas

[EL_BORICUA]

AS I HAVE STATED BEFORE MY BIGGEST
PROBLEM WITH CAPITAL PUNISHMENT IS
THAT ONLY THOSE WHO CANNOT AFFORD
A PROPER DEFENCE WILL BE EXECUTED.
AS FOR BORICUA IN US ALL STATEHOODERS
CAN EASILY BE ACCUSED OF BEING FASCIST
FOR INSTANCE REMEMBER IN THE 70'S WHEN
LA IMPRESORA NACIONAL AND CLARIDAD WERE
FIREBOMBED,REMEMBER THAT IN MARCH OF '74
WHEN LA IMPRESORA NACIONAL WAS RIDDLED
WITH BULLETS BUT THIS TIME WATCHMEN
RETURNED FIRE WOUNDING TWO STATEHOODERS
YET THEY NEVER WERE PROSECUTED YET THEY
WERE ATTEMPTING TO DEPRIVE THE PEOPLE TO
THEIR RIGHT TO FREE PRESS.
REMEMBER WHEN A STATEHOODER MOB STORMED
THE OFFICES OF MOVIMIENTO PRO INDEPENDENCIA
IN RIO PIEDRAS YET POLICE STOOD BY AND DID
NOTHING.
HOW ABOUT WHEN THE PINOCHET TYPE POLICE
TACTICS IN U.P.R. RESULTED IN THE DEATH
OF STUDENT ANTONIA MARTINEZ.
WHAT ABOUT THE UNSOLVED MURDER OF SANTIAGO
MARI PESQUERA YES HE WAS A SOCIALIST,BUT
IS THAT A CAPITAL OFFENSE?
WHAT ABOUT THE MURDER OF THE TWO YOUNG
MEN WHO WERE MURDERED BY POLICE FOR
BEING INDEPENDENTISTAS,I CAN GO ON AND ON
WHEN I RECALL THESE THINGS AND THEN READ
YOUR COMMENTS "YOU ARE PRO CHINA,YOU ARE
PRO CUBA,YOU ARE PRO COMMIES,WE ARE FOR
DEMOCRACY"... PLEASE ARE YOU? DEMOCRACY
AS IN HITLERS GERMANY OR PINOCHETS CHILE,
MAYBE A GOERNMENT LIKE SOMOZAS.
STATEHOODERS HAVE NOT BEEN VERY DEMOCRATIC
WHEN YOU LOOK AT HISTORY.