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Old 23rd November 1999, 23:12
a_carleone a_carleone is offline
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El Tribunal Supremo de nuestra Nación Americana rechazó la existencia de una doble ciudadanía. Así, que los independentistas que deseaban renunciar a la ciudadanía americana con el alegato de la existencia de doble ciudadanía ya le pararon el caballito. La corte deja vigente la decisión del Departamento de Estado en no aceptar la renuncias. Declaró que la ciudadanía de los puertorriqueños es igual a los residentes de los 50 Estados.

Al final hemos ganado, porque siempre hemos sostenido que la doble ciudadanía no existe. Los mismos independentistas metieron la pata en llevar su caso a la Corte Suprema de los Estados Unidos. Ahora beban de su propia medicina.

Para terminar, debemos establecer que los residentes de Puerto Rico son Americanos de origen puertorriqueño. Que viva el Estado 51!!!!
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Old 11th January 2000, 11:51
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En primer lugar, el Acta Foraker de 1900, ratifacada por el mismo Congreso de los Estados Unidos, establece la ciudadanía puertorriqueña y los requisitos para la misma. Dicha ciudadanía no fue derogada ni en el Acta Jones de 1917, ni en la Ley 600 (Ley de Relaciones Federales) ni en la Constitución de Puerto Rico, que fue finalmente aprobada por el mismo Congreso de Estados Unidos. De hecho, tener ciudadanía puertorriqueña es un requisito para ser electo a puestos electivos ("ser ciudadano y residente bonafide de Puerto Rico"). Estos son los argumentos utilizados por el Juez Hermida en el caso de Juan Mari Bras vs. Miriam Ramírez de Ferrer, que reconoció la existencia de ambas ciudadanías. Obviamente, el Tribunal Supremo de EU desconocía esta realidad o simplemente se negó a verla, y determinó algo que va en contra de lo mismo que su propio gobierno dictaminó.

En segundo lugar, si lees tu pasaporte de EU, notarás que la ley federal permite que sus ciudadanos tengan más de una ciudadanía, y entre las razones que brinda, están la de lugar de nacimiento. Dado que PR tiene su ciudadanía propia y la de EU, esta última razón nos cae correctamente.

Tercero, la ciudadanía de EU que tenemos NO es igual que la que tienen los estadounidenses. Nosotros somos los que se llaman "nationals", esto es, como la que tienen los indios en las reservaciones. Es una ciudadanía que tiene sus limitaciones, dependiendo del territorio de EU en que estés o si estás en un estado. Este estatuto no se puede cambiar; una vez eres "national", lo serás toda la vida, a menos que renuncies a esa ciudadanía.

Y cuarto, nadie tiene derecho a impedir que renuncies a una ciudadanía. El problema es que al continuar siendo ciudadano de PR, tienes derecho a vivir, votar, estudiar y trabajar, entre muchas otras cosas, en tu patria Puerto Rico. ¡Pero PR es colonia de los EU! De acuerdo a la Ley Federal, no sería posible, pero no somos estado de la unión, por lo tanto, hay una seria contradicción, que el Tribunal Supremo de EU NO resolvió, sino que complicó.

Nadie puede impedirle a un puertorriqueño que renuncie a una ciudadanía que no es la suya. No importa lo que diga el Tribunal Supremo de EU. Demostraron que son un maso de ignorantes.

¡Viva Puerto Rico libre!
Saudade
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Old 11th January 2000, 16:22
a_carleone a_carleone is offline
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Usted debería trabajar en el Tribunal Supremo de Estados Unidos por lo mucho que presume de sabelo todo.

Para usted optar por un puesto electivo debe cumplir con exigencias de residencia como existe en todos los 50 Estados y Puerto Rico. No venga a utilizar juegos de palabras para confundir a los amigos lectores.

Deseo que mire el mismo pasaporte que menciona y encontrará como renunciar a la ciudadanía norteamericana, ya que a usted no le gusta prepare los documentos para que sus argumentos sean tomados seriamente. Por el contrario defender la supuesta ciudadanía puertorriqueña y a la misma vez no renunciar a la norteamericana parecen una tomadura de pelo sus férrea defensa.

Le invito a mostrar aquí el certificado oficial de renuncia de la ciudadanía norteamericana, de no hacerlo no vale la pena ni leer sus artículos.

Que viva Puerto Rico Estado 51!!!
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Old 11th January 2000, 16:37
Carlos_Marrero Carlos_Marrero is offline
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I would love to read the arguments of this decision. Can anybody post excerpts? I have set up a separate posting space for "documentation", which you can find under my name, separately.

In my opinion, the Court was most likely refering to the "law", not to reality. Puerto Rico, not being a sovereign nation, does not have the authority to grant anyone "citizenship". Nor could Congress grant that power to a "territory". Only sovereign states can grant citizenship. Hence, the Court may indeed have solved the "legal" problem--it may have clarified the intent of legislation and the correct application of constitutional parameters. Puerto Ricans are subject to the US Constitution and to the governmental bodies and officies which it constitutes. In recognition of the non-existense of a govenmental entity able to legitimately confer citizenship to Puerto Ricans, US law extended citizenship to inhabitants of the territory; it was the only governmental entity with the proper authority. Puerto Ricans seeking their own distinct citizenship must first seek to establish a goverment with the authority to create such a legal artifact, and that they do in their quest for a sovereign Puerto Rico

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Old 17th April 2000, 11:10
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Why would anyone want Puerto Rico to become a State of the United States? Why let them inherit the Federal Deficit? Why should they inherit the problems the United States has due to its stupidity. I have done research on top of research (by myself and with groups) it all goes back to Puerto Rico being better off as a territory or independent. Becoming a state, will be the worst mistake ever made. What you guys seem to think are "pros" are really "cons" if you really took the time to think about it. I wouldn't to lose our cultures and traditions. I wouldn't want to lose what I cherish from my island. People say that won't happen, but it will gradually. No offense, but America and its people are weird. Even though we are automatically american citizens, I still tell people I am puerto rican and damn proud of it. I wouldn't want to call myself american for anything in the world. There isn't enough money in the world for that to happen. I know some people will get offended, but that is how I and many others feel.
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Old 11th May 2000, 09:51
Boricua-in-US Boricua-in-US is offline
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PRQueen,

I hear what you are saying, but, aren't you calling yourself "weird"? Inherit the Federal Deficit? P.R. has no external debt because the U.S. pays for it! Get Real! Yes, we are Puerto Ricans but American citizens, just as people from Florida are called "Floridians".
Citizenship is equal accross the board for all born in the U.S., its possessions, and territories. In the other hand Puerto Ricans do hold to a certain degree a benefit no other American citizen in the mainland have, although there is no representation in Congress P.Rican's are not required to pay Federal Taxes, yet benefit from many federal programs. Is that fair to those of us who pay both federal and P.R. taxes? I mean no disrespect but your statements didn't quite make much sense!
Take care and have a good day.

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Old 12th May 2000, 12:05
EL_BORICUA EL_BORICUA is offline
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CAN ANYONE TELL ME WHATS THE CASE NAME THAT
THE U.S. SUPREME COURT DECIDED THAT THERE
IS NO PUERTORICAN CITIZENSHIP,WHILE LOOKING
AT BALZAC V. PUERTO RICO 1922 THE SUPREME
COURT MENTIONS PUERTO RICAN CITIZENSHIP MANY
TIMES.if you want to read it: http://laws.findlaw.com/us/258/298.html


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