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Old 15th June 2003, 02:18
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Suki, it is very late, but before I retire, I want you understand that I meant no offense by referring to you waxing poetically in a dramatical way. What ever gave you the notion, that it was a "backhanded compliment" If I wanted to do that I would have said waxing poetically in a melodramatical way. However, I chose my words carefully, and always remember the first time I read your post on the Philosophy Forum that I told you how well you write. And I really meant it. Your latest vignettes are fascinating, as I said, and I enjoy reading them. I also like a good 'short story' too. And like you, also, I detest mystery novels; I guess we can start our degringofication right from that alone. Because, Stanly has placed me in the category of the Americanization of a Puerto Rican, too. If he hadn't used the word "descaro" I would have laughed it off. As a P.R. I know how bad that word is, and I couldn't let him get away with such a slander. Optimistic that you will understand me, and don't forget what I told FreeSoul about being a child of three, "under the greatest stress of exploitation and oppression" when I was introduced to mysticism, which was basically only the dream of such a young child. Others who are reading this, will probably never understand it, just like Stanley, the Loony Tune will never understand what I mean by the bliss of freedom. And he already said in one of his posts that he didn't understand it!

Niters Suki,
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p.s. oops, if you haven't read "the Lord's" latest post to us, make sure that you do it on an empty stomach. The old touch of Spanish ghoulishness is in it in a most graphic way. It sort of reminds me of what they did in the New World to many of the Indian tribes...Oh yes, I wouldn't think of refusing to answer that post, so if you get the chance read my reply to him; that you can do with a hearty bowl of brown rice, vegetables, and fresh salad that will go down period. lol...
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Buenos días

Despues de este último mensaje en el que hablas ya de la demoniaca y genocida conquista hispana del Nuevo Mundo, cada vez me cuesta menos imaginarte en la reciente manifestación de los dinosaurios cubanos contra España, encabezando la procesión al lado del comediante en jefe. Esta hispanofobia tan profunda sólo me la podía imaginar entre LOS HIJOS DE LA GRAN... Bretaña, pero parece ser que también alcanza al Mar del Caribe. Parece ser que hay más tiburoncillos por ese mar de los que en un principio creía.

Pero vayamos por partes, mi querido internacional.

A mí no me gusta la izquierda española, ciertamente, pero tu no perteneces a la izquierda, sino a la extrema izquierda internacional e internacionalista. Con la extrema izquierda no tengo tantos miramientos con su partida de nacimiento. En cualquier caso, aunque te consideres parte de la izquierda sin más, mi moderado camarada, tampoco iba tan desencaminado:

El Consejo de Ministro concede la nacionalidad española a los 600 supervivientes de la Brigadas internacionales. (1996)

En uno de los actos más vergonzosos, parciales y amorales de la democracia española, un acomplejado Gobierno del PP concedió la nacionalidad española a aquellos que vinieron a España a matar a los antepasados de la mitad de los españoles. Todo un ejemplo de interés por cerrar heridas y de cobardía ética. Un inmerecido premio a aquellos que nos querían someter al yugo soviético. Una vergüenza nacional.

Así que igual no estás tan alejado de la izquierda española, mi hispano-puertorriqueño camarada.

Ya te advertí de que la embajada de PR(.com) estaba pensando en declararte persona non-grata. Éste es el segundo aviso, compatriota mío, así que la próxima vez no esperes otro tirón de orejas, sino que directamente transcribiré, harto dolido, un manifiesto mediante el cual se procederá a privarte de tan gloriosa nacionalidad. Estas avisado.

Sobre el tema Unamuno: que se censurase la totalidad de sus obras (lo que por otro lado es falso) no tiene nada que ver con su posicionamiento que tomase ante la República o el Alzamiento. También hubo falangistas encarcelados en la postguerra, como Hedilla. Esto sería el equivalente "político" de lo que pretendes atribuirle que se le hizo a Unamuno. Y la posición de cualquier falangista en el Alzamiento no ofrece dudas, incluida la de Manuel Hedilla. Intentas enlazar un razonamiento en un triple mortal que se cae por su propio peso. En España a estas cosas tan forzadas se les llama hacer el pino con las orejas. Pues bueno, tu llevas haciendo el pino con las orejas con el tema de Unamuno desde hace una semana, y parece ser que no te entran agujetas: increíble, vaya vitalidad. No he negado que fuese liberal, y si bien es cierto que el Alzamiento fue apoyado por mucha gente de distintas tendencias políticas, ese mismo hecho provocó que no todos estuvieran de acuerdo con la fórmula adoptada en la postguerra, y que llos garantes de la fórmula adoptada en la postguerra no estuviesen de acuerdo con muchos que apoyaron el Alzamiento. Había muchas formas de entender España el 18 de Julio, unidas en cualquier caso porque la configuración como satélite de la URSS no era la más deseable. Incluso la menos. Unas encajaron mejor más o menos en el régimen franquista, otros totalmente y otros nada. Y esto, moviéndonos en el universo de los alzados. Un universo mucho más complejo de lo que tu piensas. Para tí esto es como la Guerra de las Galaxias: unos buenos, y otros malos. Unos fascistas, y los otros no. Y esto no es así.

Sobre lo de Canarias: fue exiliado por Primo de Rivera padre, a mediados de los veinte, y volvió a España a finales de esa década. No encuentro contradicción alguna con todo lo que he dicho.

No tengo en mi casa el discurso de Unamuno en el café Novelty en el que apoya el Alzamiento sin ningún tipo de rodeos, y que liquidaría todo posible sombra que pretendas echar sobre Unamuno, ni he sido capaz de encontrarlo por internet. No obstante, que sepas que existe. Cuando se acaben de digitalizar todos los archivos históricos de España, y se cuelguen de internet, proceso que debe estar llegando a su fin, todas estas discusiones serán mas sencillas.



[Edited by El_Cid on 15th June 2003 at 15:00]
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Old 15th June 2003, 16:20
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Re: Buenos días

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Originally posted by El_Cid
Despues de este último mensaje en el que hablas ya de la demoniaca y genocida conquista hispana del Nuevo Mundo, cada vez me cuesta menos imaginarte en la reciente manifestación de los dinosaurios cubanos contra España, encabezando la procesión al lado del comediante en jefe. Esta hispanofobia tan profunda sólo me la podía imaginar entre LOS HIJOS DE LA GRAN... Bretaña, pero parece ser que también alcanza al Mar del Caribe. Parece ser que hay más tiburoncillos por ese mar de los que en un principio creía.

Pero vayamos por partes, mi querido internacional.

A mí no me gusta la izquierda española, ciertamente, pero tu no perteneces a la izquierda, sino a la extrema izquierda internacional e internacionalista. Con la extrema izquierda no tengo tantos miramientos con su partida de nacimiento. En cualquier caso, aunque te consideres parte de la izquierda sin más, mi moderado camarada, tampoco iba tan desencaminado:

El Consejo de Ministro concede la nacionalidad española a los 600 supervivientes de la Brigadas internacionales. (1996)

En uno de los actos más vergonzosos, parciales y amorales de la democracia española, un acomplejado Gobierno del PP concedió la nacionalidad española a aquellos que vinieron a España a matar a los antepasados de la mitad de los españoles. Todo un ejemplo de interés por cerrar heridas y de cobardía ética. Un inmerecido premio a aquellos que nos querían someter al yugo soviético. Una vergüenza nacional.

Así que igual no estás tan alejado de la izquierda española, mi hispano-puertorriqueño camarada.

Ya te advertí de que la embajada de PR(.com) estaba pensando en declararte persona non-grata. Éste es el segundo aviso, compatriota mío, así que la próxima vez no esperes otro tirón de orejas, sino que directamente transcribiré, harto dolido, un manifiesto mediante el cual se procederá a privarte de tan gloriosa nacionalidad. Estas avisado.

Sobre el tema Unamuno: que se censurase la totalidad de sus obras (lo que por otro lado es falso) no tiene nada que ver con su posicionamiento que tomase ante la República o el Alzamiento. También hubo falangistas encarcelados en la postguerra, como Hedilla. Esto sería el equivalente "político" de lo que pretendes atribuirle que se le hizo a Unamuno. Y la posición de cualquier falangista en el Alzamiento no ofrece dudas, incluida la de Manuel Hedilla. Intentas enlazar un razonamiento en un triple mortal que se cae por su propio peso. En España a estas cosas tan forzadas se les llama hacer el pino con las orejas. Pues bueno, tu llevas haciendo el pino con las orejas con el tema de Unamuno desde hace una semana, y parece ser que no te entran agujetas: increíble, vaya vitalidad. No he negado que fuese liberal, y si bien es cierto que el Alzamiento fue apoyado por mucha gente de distintas tendencias políticas, ese mismo hecho provocó que no todos estuvieran de acuerdo con la fórmula adoptada en la postguerra, y que llos garantes de la fórmula adoptada en la postguerra no estuviesen de acuerdo con muchos que apoyaron el Alzamiento. Había muchas formas de entender España el 18 de Julio, unidas en cualquier caso porque la configuración como satélite de la URSS no era la más deseable. Incluso la menos. Unas encajaron mejor más o menos en el régimen franquista, otros totalmente y otros nada. Y esto, moviéndonos en el universo de los alzados. Un universo mucho más complejo de lo que tu piensas. Para tí esto es como la Guerra de las Galaxias: unos buenos, y otros malos. Unos fascistas, y los otros no. Y esto no es así.

Sobre lo de Canarias: fue exiliado por Primo de Rivera padre, a mediados de los veinte, y volvió a España a finales de esa década. No encuentro contradicción alguna con todo lo que he dicho.

No tengo en mi casa el discurso de Unamuno en el café Novelty en el que apoya el Alzamiento sin ningún tipo de rodeos, y que liquidaría todo posible sombra que pretendas echar sobre Unamuno, ni he sido capaz de encontrarlo por internet. No obstante, que sepas que existe. Cuando se acaben de digitalizar todos los archivos históricos de España, y se cuelguen de internet, proceso que debe estar llegando a su fin, todas estas discusiones serán mas sencillas.



[Edited by El_Cid on 15th June 2003 at 15:00]
Oh yes? However your two main points that I have been given Spanish citizenship in 1996, by the parliamentary democratic gov't of the Republic of Spain is news to me. Also that you named the culprit Astray Millan as the big mouth that interrupted Unamuno's lecture in those days was equally news to me. I had never made a 'busqueda' for that name since I was not in the law enforcement branch of the Socialist Republic of Spain; I was a young student who functioned in my main mission as a commie warrior (Brigadista, as you would say). As to your stating that Unamuno was chatting in a Cafetin, and his words were recorded by "someone" sounds like total hearsay to me, and since there is no extant copy available as to what he said in the Cafe' about the Alzamiento in those days, it is completly moot to insist that it is evidence that he was a supporter of the Alzamiento against the new Republic of Spain. Search all you want, but don't manufacture such a document as disinformation; we have had enough of such foolishness. But this brings me to a minor problem that perhaps you can offer some help in solving. It refers to Suki taking offense at my use of the word "bipolar". Bipolar refers to two poles, i.e., polarization of feelings which are usually the result of having mixed emotions. She doesn't understand that she is not unique in that, as all people in the world probably have experienced such polarization at one time or another. I know I have, but I have conquered it time and again by the use of the dialectical method which my philosophy features. Please, explain to her, if you wish, that I am not referring to a split personality issue, being schizoid or schizophrenic, which is a serious mental disorder. If you don't want to say anything about it, allright. However, I am optimistic that she will read this and understand what I meant by polarization which is amenable to resolution by making a synthesis of the opposites (or poles) and conquering the contradiction like the sun shining on a pool of infested water can conquer the infection totally; before it gets to the stage of being a serious mental disorder! You a Spaniard, with your tradition of Don Quijote ought to have some acquaintance with such problems. Don't you think? BTW, so you seem to have written to P.R..com about my posts to you, and you say that they addressed them, and may in the future withdraw my membership in the forums of P.R..com, declaring, as you like to put it grandiously, as "persona non grata", ahahaaa..jijijiji..also ludicrous is that you got the mistaken notion they are an Embassy. All this nonsense makes me react, Jajajajaja...by ROTFLMAO!!! Granuja! I merely express my thoughts according to my freedom of speech, and whatever the privately owned company of P.R..com may do, they have a right to do since they are not obligated by the U.S. Constitution nor by the Bill of Rights. Private corporations do have their privileges, and I do have my freedom of speech y ya he dicho!! P.S. don't forget the problem with Suki, if you are a gentleman.

HACIA LA VICTORIA SIEMPRE BORICUAS, VENCEREMOS!
Soy Puertorriqueno y Punto; e Realista Social.
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Old 16th June 2003, 08:49
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[quote]Originally posted by El_Cid
[b]Hi,

I'm looking for someone who wants to improve his/her spanish, in order to exchange messages us. If someone wants to improve Cervantes' language , could send me emails or write here in spanish, and I would point out the grammatical errors. I'd like write in English, and I'd wish someone correct my response messages/emails.

Summing up, I'd like find someone with a good English and interested about improve his/her spanish.

Bye

El Cid

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Distinguido compa de pr.com:

Tremenda idea, tremenda poesia. Gracias por la idea y la poesia.

Primero, mucho gusto ya que no he tenido el gusto de responderle en ningun hilo, que yo recuerde.

Tengo una idea. Que le parece si yo escribo en un castellano Jibaro y Ud. me lo corrige en un castellano de madriz.

Luego podemos traducir del castellano Jibaro al ingles Jibaro y comparamos la semantica de esa contradiccion.

Otra vez, mucho gusto

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Old 16th June 2003, 08:53
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Suki, it is very late, but before I retire, I want you understand that I meant no offense by referring to you waxing poetically in a dramatical way. What ever gave you the notion, that it was a "backhanded compliment" If I wanted to do that I would have said waxing poetically in a melodramatical way. However, I chose my words carefully, and always remember the first time I read your post on the Philosophy Forum that I told you how well you write. And I really meant it. Your latest vignettes are fascinating, as I said, and I enjoy reading them. I also like a good 'short story' too. And like you, also, I detest mystery novels; I guess we can start our degringofication right from that alone. Because, Stanly has placed me in the category of the Americanization of a Puerto Rican, too. If he hadn't used the word "descaro" I would have laughed it off. As a P.R. I know how bad that word is, and I couldn't let him get away with such a slander. Optimistic that you will understand me, and don't forget what I told FreeSoul about being a child of three, "under the greatest stress of exploitation and oppression" when I was introduced to mysticism, which was basically only the dream of such a young child. Others who are reading this, will probably never understand it, just like Stanley, the Loony Tune will never understand what I mean by the bliss of freedom. And he already said in one of his posts that he didn't understand it!

Niters Suki,
EddieR
p.s. oops, if you haven't read "the Lord's" latest post to us, make sure that you do it on an empty stomach. The old touch of Spanish ghoulishness is in it in a most graphic way. It sort of reminds me of what they did in the New World to many of the Indian tribes...Oh yes, I wouldn't think of refusing to answer that post, so if you get the chance read my reply to him; that you can do with a hearty bowl of brown rice, vegetables, and fresh salad that will go down period. lol...
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[quote]Originally posted by yautiapela
[b][quote]Originally posted by Eddier1
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Suki, it is very late, but before I retire, I want you understand that I meant no offense by referring to you waxing poetically in a dramatical way. What ever gave you the notion, that it was a "backhanded compliment" If I wanted to do that I would have said waxing poetically in a melodramatical way. However, I chose my words carefully, and always remember the first time I read your post on the Philosophy Forum that I told you how well you write. And I really meant it. Your latest vignettes are fascinating, as I said, and I enjoy reading them. I also like a good 'short story' too. And like you, also, I detest mystery novels; I guess we can start our degringofication right from that alone. Because, Stanly has placed me in the category of the Americanization of a Puerto Rican, too. If he hadn't used the word "descaro" I would have laughed it off. As a P.R. I know how bad that word is, and I couldn't let him get away with such a slander. Optimistic that you will understand
me, and don't forget what I told FreeSoul about being a child of three, "under the greatest stress of exploitation and oppression" when I was introduced to mysticism, which was basically only the dream of such a young child. Others who are reading this, will probably never understand it, just like Stanley, the Loony Tune will never understand what I mean by the bliss of freedom. And he already said in one of his posts that he didn't understand it!

Niters Suki,
EddieR
p.s. oops, if you haven't read "the Lord's" latest post to us, make sure that you do it on an empty stomach. The old touch of Spanish ghoulishness is in it in a most graphic way. It sort of reminds me of what they did in the New World to many of the Indian tribes...Oh yes, I wouldn't think of refusing to answer that post, so if you get the chance read my reply to him; that you can do with a hearty bowl of brown rice, vegetables, and fresh salad that will go down period. lol...

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Dear Eddie: Buenos Dias! Y como esta usted? Yo aqui haciendo lo que se hacer. Pasar el tiempo entretenida con
PR.com

Estoy aprendiendo mucho ingles de usted. Yo no soy tan conocedora del idioma ingles como usted, y me atrevo aceverar que tanpoco se lo suficiente castellano como usted. Lo que si se es que disfruto mucho las peleas que se forman en este foro, especialmente cuando se encuentran los euros con los boricuas.

Hasta la Victoria Siempre, Venceremos!

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Cid,

I have this great book, it's called 501 Spanish verbs. It shows how to congugate(sp)verbs. It also give idiomatic expressions. In fact I just learned the meaning of "acabo de", it meand "I just" right? So you said, " I just sent/gave you a message". It is so hard to learn spanish when you have all english speakers around you, and vice versa. So how are you learning engish, and how long have you been learning. How about this! I will tell you in spanish about myself and you can tell me in engish about you. For example, do you have any brothers or sisters?? Do you have a lot of friends?? What do you do for fun, where do you live, blah blah, you get the point! I will right you soon!!

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Dear Fausta: I love your peace sign, I do not know if you know where it came from but I think it came from B. Russell, the Lord, Bertrand that is, I think. At any rate
in 1968 my favorite professor, I should say, My Mentor, Dr. Arturo Melendez, gave me a poster with this sign and it was beautiful. Desafortunadamente what happened was that a hurricane ripped through the house (a little wooden house my brother had in Isla Verde where he kept all the posters of all the conferences I had attended throughout the years and among them was that poster in conmemoration of Lord Russell)and all my memories were swept away by the hurricane. After that Piniones was remodeled and now it looks completely different. I have not gone to see how the neighbors rebuilt that side of Piniones. Some of those neighbors go back with me a long ways since the Bronx Remembered.

Anyhow, what I wanted to say was that the center line signifies |= La busqueda de la verdad (The Quest for Truth)
the circle signifies: O= Compasion por el dolor de la humanidad (Compassion for the Pain of Humanity)
the left slash /= El anhelo de amar (the longing to love)
the right slash\ y ser amado (and be loved)

I am making more mistakes now than before I got sick and I notice that my cognitive functions are not as sharp, so please bear with me.

Sincerely,

Yautiapela

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