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[Suki]

Eddie,
that last post of yours. Finally reached me. No se. Maybe it was its structure or something and it made perfect sense to me. Action. Take action to make it happen.

I am running out of time. And I think unfortunately, you are never going to find out who I am in the end. But, remember what I said the last time. Never underestimate your objectivities over time. And handsome is as handsome does. And you have done much. And thus why I find you handsome. Good night Eddie. No one knows what one is made of until one is faced with those immutable truths you speak of, and when all the objective and subjective circumstances of revolution and war coalesce in history. It will come about someday in Puerto Rico. Truly.Then you start seeing the who is who. TRUTH. Whatever you did in those wars Eddie. I am convinced you did it with una consciencia alta. I have no doubts of that. Thus why I have gone through all these 'molinos' here with you. You're the one that is worth all these 'molinos' from me.

Give me time to try to understand stuff I have never lived through in my life Eddie. You have lived this philosophy and it therefore has become second nature to you. For me, I have totally different experiences. And I am trying to understand it. Do you think I have enough understanding to grasp some of it Eddie? I hope so. Meanwhile, I am just one of the peoples. And you are patient with the peoples. With the average Suki. Cuz that is who I am. I am just another people. And always will be. Me encanto that last post.

Suki.

[Eddier1]

Suki, what you mean (?) when you say "No one knows what one is made of until one is faced with those immutable truths you speak of, and when all the objective and subjective circumstances of revolution and war coalesce in history. It will come about someday in Puerto Rico. Truly.Then you start seeing the who is who. TRUTH". Let me say one thing, and I will make it brief, because when you say you are running out of time it gives me a sense of something negative, if not depressing, that is going on in your life, which awakens my concern for you like you are going through some trouble or other. If not, then it is merely a false impression I got from the way you wrote it. Now, if and when, that revolutionary coalescence takes place in Puerto Rico, the TRUTH ought not be a "who's who" type of thing. If the correct line of ideology is adhered to in that transformation to Independence, the TRUTH will not be a Who that engenders a cult of personality, and often leads into dictatorship by one individual, ala the Latin American paradigm. It usually leads to bad stuff as you know from history. It must not be that, because the TRUTH is always about CONCEPTS, and the ego of one individual often derails the transformation into Independence. If we have the correct Concept and/or Ideology, then we will be victorious in our quest for Independence. In short, it is not Who is the truth, but what Concept is the truth that will be the guide to our actions. Don't you think?

Hacia la Victoria Siempre Boricuas, Venceremos!
Soy Puertorriqueno y Punto; e Realista Social.
EddieR

[Stanley]

Amigo El Cid:

En buena hora! Nos alegra mucho su retorno a PR.com; espero que todo siga bién en Cataluña.

Gracias por las palabras de aliento con respecto a lo que le enseñé a Ecuajey. Como sabrás, Ecuajey nació en los EEUU y ha hecho un gran esfuerzo en aprender el idioma de Cervantes. Tu amplio conocimiento sobre la mecanica del Castellano es muy apreciado.



Ed:

Vós has mencionado que la aceptación y el entendimiento de lo que es comunismo es algo así como una experiencia de volver a nacer. Por lo menos, esa es la impresión que das cuando le escribes a Suki. Esto quiere decir que estaba correcto cuando te dije que el comunismo era similar a la religión. La verdad es que no hay otra manera de describir lo que sentiste y me recuerdas a Enrique Iglésias y su famosa canción "Experiencia Religiosa".


Suki:

Por más que trato no puedo ver el lado inocente y en tus palabras. Parece que tienes una tendencia hacia el eroticismo cada vez que escribes y como dijo Ed, quizás esto es debido a tu religión Budista. Te pintas como niña inocente de 16 años sin sensualidad pero a la misma vez proyectas situaciones llenas de tensión sexual. Como dije antes, tus palabras hacia Ed se podrían malinterpretar. No creas que esto es una crítica o un defecto. Por contrario, yo creo que es una buena idea el sacar esos razgos al aire. No hay nada malo en la sensualidad y esto no quiere decir que una persona sensual sea promiscua o de una baja calidad moral. El sensualismo es lindo y se debe disfrutar a plenitud.

Dijiste que Papotito tuvo una novia con un cuerpazo. Aparentemente ella era una alumna en su clase de calistenia. Hablas sobre esto sin ningunos celos o temor. De hecho, parece que te da cierta satisfación el hecho de que papolito sea deseado por otras mujeres. Aparentemente estás muy segura de tu dominio feminino sobre Papolito. Alguna vez te has preguntado porqué eres así?

[Edited by Stanley on 15th July 2003 at 19:33]

[El_Jibaro]

Sé que esto no es mi asunto, pero el hecho de que lo exponen en este sub-foro lo vuelve un asunto público y no privado.

La Suki-Suki sufre de dos cosas:

• CRECER SIN UN PADRE,
• y ser criada por una madre marxista en un ambiente promiscuo.

Como la Suki-Suki creció sin la presencia de un padre (me imagino que es el producto de otro amor temporero en el campamento marxista...), ella se la pasa buscando un padre que llene ese hueco existencia y emocional. Desgraciadamente al ella crecer en un ambiente marxista extremadamente promiscuo, lo único que ella aprendió en esa comunidad es a complacer físicamente a los hombres que ella busca como representantes de la figura paternal. El mismo marido de ella es evidencia número uno de este fenómeno...

Ahora, como la madre de la Suki-Suki es una marxista agriada que también se crió sin figura paternal (se ve esto en el tono y leguaje ultra-feminista de sus ensayos...), ella protegió a su hija de ser tan promiscua como las otras camaradas marxistas. Sin embargo, aunque la protegió en cuerpo, lo único que ella generó en la Suki fue a una "monjita 'a la cañona' criada en prostíbulo de cardenal...": tal persona es extremadamente esclava a deseos que ella misma no puede darle rienda suelta. Ella sabe por observación e instrucción cuales son los devastadores resultados sociales y sicológicos de vivir una vida promiscua, pero aún asi no se puede librar de esos deseos cultivados en su persona por el medio-ambiente de crianza. Triste situación ...

Por lo tanto, el abigarrado Eddie-Marxista, aunque es un espécimen humano sumamente enfermo sico-sexualemte, hasta ahora ha hecho un buen trabajo de llenar ese huequito existencial de la Suki sin mediar la explotación sexual. Pero, similar a la LEY DE LA GRAVEDAD, la suciedad moral del ideal marxista va a producir que tarde o temprano el vetusto animal marxista se propase con la pseudo-ingenua Suki-Suki; esto se va a dar cuando ellos se reúnan en un momento apropiado en el futuro, cuando las defensas mentales de la incauta Suki se desmoronen por completo ante las suaves palabras del sigiloso reptil marxista...

Bueno, y aunque no soy sicólogo, si me crié con mi tío abuelo, el primer sicólogo clínico de Puerto Rico: JUAN B. PICART, que cuando estaba haciendo mi decisión de tomar una carrerra universitaria quiso que yo fuera sicólogo .

[Stanley]

Jibaro:

El eroticismo no es necesariamente parte de una vida sexual fuera de control. Obviamente hay muchos ministros Evangélicos que gozan a plenitud la sexualidad. También creo que es posible ser una persona sensual sin practicar la promiscuidad.

Suki y Yautía siempre me han dado a entender que tuvieron un hogar completamente feliz y muy tradicional. Suki habla muy bién de su padre. No entiendo porqué dices que no tuvo figura paternal.

En cuanto a la relación de Suki y Ed--------- No creo que haya habido nada comprometedor. Sin embargo, algunos textos académicos definen la infidelidad a base la idea de compartir momentos íntimos con el sexo opuesto. Esta intimidad no necesariamente contiene contacto físico. El ejemplo mas vulgar sería el "cyber hot chat". Yo creo que conozco el caracter de Suki y Ed y me atrevo a pensar que esto nunca pasaría.

En cuanto a Suki--------- creo que anda muy bién con su manera erótica de expresión. Es claro que este método de comunicación no conlleva nada--- no hay malicia de su parte. Encima de eso, hay que admirar a una mujer que se dedica a su esposo.

Sin embargo los otros días se besó en la mejilla con un pasajero de avión quién no era su conocido. Esto ocurrió luego de una de esas pláticas al estilo EddieR.

Hmmmm

[Edited by Stanley on 15th July 2003 at 23:35]

[Suki]

[quote]Originally posted by Stanley
[b]Amigo El Cid:

En buena hora! Nos alegra mucho su retorno a PR.com; espero que todo siga bién en Cataluña.

Gracias por las palabras de aliento con respecto a lo que le enseñé a Ecuajey. Como sabrás, Ecuajey nació en los EEUU y ha hecho un gran esfuerzo en aprender el idioma de Cervantes. Tu amplio conocimiento sobre la mecanica del Castellano es muy apreciado.



Ed:

Vós has mencionado que la aceptación y el entendimiento de lo que es comunismo es algo así como una experiencia de volver a nacer. Por lo menos, esa es la impresión que das cuando le escribes a Suki. Esto quiere decir que estaba correcto cuando te dije que el comunismo era similar a la religión. La verdad es que no hay otra manera de describir lo que sentiste y me recuerdas a Enrique Iglésias y su famosa canción "Experiencia Religiosa".


Suki:

Por más que trato no puedo ver el lado inocente y en tus palabras. Parece que tienes una tendencia hacia el eroticismo cada vez que escribes y como dijo Ed, quizás esto es debido a tu religión Budista. Te pintas como niña inocente de 16 años sin sensualidad pero a la misma vez proyectas situaciones llenas de tensión sexual. Como dije antes, tus palabras hacia Ed se podrían malinterpretar. No creas que esto es una crítica o un defecto. Por contrario, yo creo que es una buena idea el sacar esos razgos al aire. No hay nada malo en la sensualidad y esto no quiere decir que una persona sensual sea promiscua o de una baja calidad moral. El sensualismo es lindo y se debe disfrutar a plenitud.

Dijiste que Papotito tuvo una novia con un cuerpazo. Aparentemente ella era una alumna en su clase de calistenia. Hablas sobre esto sin ningunos celos o temor. De hecho, parece que te da cierta satisfación el hecho de que papolito sea deseado por otras mujeres. Aparentemente estás muy segura de tu dominio feminino sobre Papolito. Alguna vez te has preguntado porqué eres así?

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Suki: Your question, made me think back on when I first met my husband. I was a very young person. And I was not trying to paint myself as a nina. Lol. I only went back to recall how I was at that stage in life. Now, I am a woman of 37 years of age. And ofcourse life changes people. But at 16. I was a naive young woman and I won't go into details but I think between 15-18 I grew up a lot mostly to the USA govt, you won't understand Stanley, and I won't go into it. But I learned how hard the powers that be can be to people who are good at social change, and there are some things I identify with Eddie about on certain levels. That you and the pathological liar El Jibaro can never understand in 2 milleniums of life cuz neither of you will ever sacrifice any personal ambitions or creature comforts for your politics, most are self-serving, and if you take politics seriously and put your money where your mouth is and are educated, and effective and have a real sense of class solidarity with the down trodden and being a product of the working class yourself, and all that entails in capitalism, and have a level of social consciousness where you have to act according to your principles regardless of the consequences and then take the hit, emotionally, financially and mentally and even physically and suffer because of it. Then you might understand a little bit. If you never go through that. You don't know anything and are talking out of your behind Stanley. I was a woman who loved books, dancing and swimming and had many interesting friends of all sorts. And have been blessed by a husband who loved the person. And accepts me for who I am, all the virtues and the flaws too. Like I said a long time ago. Romantic love, fantasy love is pale and watery compared to real love. The real kind. I won't go into it. For, I think it is not necessary.

I am not possessive. If my husband is with me, it is not because I have him 'hypnotized' or 'dominado' or nothing of the sort. He is with me because he knows who I am, and finds my compania and my presence in his life a source of many good things. All good relationships are based on trust, honesty and understanding. Not on superficial crap like bedroom antics and eroticism. All that fades if that is what a relationship is based on. I think true intimacy is beautiful. And it just adds a lot of depth to the sexual nature of a relationship between husband and wife. I won't go into that anymore. I have been accused of eroticism too much lately. I don't understand why. WHY? When have I said anything that can be interpreted as Sexy or sexual in nature. I write things to evoke emotion or feeling or like you say I use sense-based descriptives to try to communicate effectively. If that is being sexual, I would like suggestions on how to change that. I don't want to come accross as some SEXy type. I am not. I am a person who loves the mental realms. Learning from people. Do you think Stanley if I was looking for sex I would be talking to a man in his late 70's in NY? Who is quite uninterested in sex, and has literally said he loathes all that crap, for two years on pr.com? I would be hanging out with men my age who are into the same kind of whatever. But I am not. I don't need this medium for that. I think people who need this weird alienated medium to feel sexual are truly off the wall. One should be that way with your husband in privacy and within a lovely intimate relationship. Basta no more talk about this. Yes, Stanley I was a virgin when I married. And as far as I am concerned Papotito is the only man who I am going to allow that kind of relationship with me with. Most men nowadays don't care for anything but some meaningless roll in the hay. And as far as I am concerned can all go to hell with their callous disregard for women's tender feelings and need for some kind of real commitment and love from them. And all they get is being used like trapos. I have so many women friends and even men friends that have such a hard time finding people who know what the hell they are doing emotionally and in relationships. Most don't. They are clueless. Lol.

Papotito, is special in many ways. Many ways. The man is not perfect of course. But he is PERFECT for me. lol. Yes, he finds me beautiful Stanley. And I find him beautiful too. Ya, no more.

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Eddie: You are perceptive, something is going on. I can't speak of it. On this public board. But, don't worry about it. It is something I can't control. Olvidalo.

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Suki: For the PATHOLOGICAL LIAR aka El Jib. Who has read many threads and KNOWS with certainty I loved my father and he was present my whole life til his death in February 1999. A more loving father a daughter could never ask for. And a mother more hard working, with true principles, values and love for people and being a true puertorriquena buena con mucha moralidad y belleza, could not be found. He continues to call my husband a boyfriend, me promiscuous and my mother promiscuous and denies my father ever existed. WHY? When the pathological lying demon knows the truth? Why does he insist on lying and trying to besmirch my family relationships? Like my marriage, my parents and my life? Because he is a low life. Who will stoop to any lie, distortion and falsehood, and slander in order to WIN over the political opposition. He is despicable, and a man with no principles. I am sure the Pentecostales disapprove of knowingly lying on people with absolute certainty of knowing you are lying but continue to do so, for mundane reasons and not spiritual reasons....qualifies him as a totally false and as Eddie knows FAKE Christian. The man does not give a damn if my mother dies of cancer (he would jump for joy one less independentista in the world and he would rejoice), like the low life sick creep he is, or if I croak tomorrow either. He will paint Eddie as some reptile that will rape me or whatever. Eddie has been honorable in all dealings with me. And yes Eddie hurt me. But it is because I did not accept his boundaries for such a long time. I just wanted him to be my friend and for us to be close. Like I am with Leticia g. Women are so lovely and easy to be close to. I say one word and they understand. You men are harder. But, Eddie is such a handsome creature. For all the above I wrote the reasons why.

One thing is certain, I am glad I am not related to that demonio, El Jib. I feel sorry for Ran. He is a great guy being related to MR. Demonio. Me da repulsion El Jib, with his abysmal lack of sensitivity and lack of humanity towards almost everyone. He loves to judge women harshly. And men. And acts like judge and jury toward everyone. He should fear his hypocritical self going to church and paying lip service to his religion, and hoping some meaningless ritual like asking Jesus to forgive him for his sins this week so he can pile up some new ones the next week and do the same dastardly acts of sinfulness day after day. And think he can get away with fooling everyone including God, with his lack of true repentance and change. Stop lying, stop being stuck on your childhood molestations and your parents neglects and ignorances. Stop blaming others LIAR, for your abysmal shortcomings as a man, and a Christian and a Statehooder. You make any group you are a member of look really bad. So mentiroso y enfermo. As long as he WINS his political argument Stanley, he will use anything against anyone. Including being gleeful of terminal illnesses, distorting the truth, and painting me as some ramera. He will do whatever. But hey. What goes around comes around. All that he desires that is unjust on others he will receive 10 fold. He will. He is despicable and nothing else to say, except one thing. I have a feeling that El Jib jumped into this thread because he did not like that I said some things to Eddie. Yes, a woman saying to Eddie how intelligent and handsome he is and how she admires his masculine strength, etc. And Stanley saw it as sexually charged or whatever. Lol. Stanley no. It is my way of letting Eddie know my feelings about him. I was compelled to. But I think El Jib is freaked out with that and went on in some pathetically stupid psychological analysis about it, due to him not having a single female in pr.com or in all the world most probably who would think him worth writing all those things about. Le molesta. His nemesis Eddier1 gets some woman to flatter him and El Jib gets ZERO piropos from the women. What does he do the immature and also demon like creature he is? Well lie on the woman who did the flattering and make our relationship. Which is based on Agape and platonic stuff and lovely things at least on my part, and distort it into something sordid and abnormal. BUT he has failed. As all those who are low in character and morals do. They just reveal who they are to the world. Demonios. Sin consciencia.

Suki.

[Edited by Suki on 16th July 2003 at 01:47]

[Stanley]

Suki:

OK--- so there is no eroticism------ it only appears that way. I agree------ your explanation was clear. This is the drawback of the internet------ one can often misinterpret what is been said without having the benefit of knowing the person in the flesh. I had you painted as a sexual person and I was wrong. It may very well be my scorpio mind in the gutter.

In any event I always thought you were not doing anything harmful or inmoral. I was only talking about your style of communication with Ed.

I agree with you when you say I have no plans to save the poor---------------- I am sorry to disappoint you. Perhaps I could if I had a religious conversion like Ed.

I am not a greedy person and I don't go out of my way to make an extra buck. I rather spend time with my family at home.