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Old 18th July 2003, 20:45
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The Maitreya rears his ugly head once again. The last word about him is that he is MAITREYA.
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Suki: McCarthy was a super sicko. And how did you get away from all the McCarthism Eddie? Or did they just try to strong arm you or something? I know that freak J. Edgar Hoover was a total right wing evil dude and gay as can be. He and his secretrary eran amantes por annos. And he persecuted homosexuals mercilessly while he himself was a flaming queen. The guy was a total weirdo in my opinion. Making his chauffeur take 3 right turns instead of making a single left turn because he hated the left so much. What a vile man. And to think the FBI building still has his name in DC. No se. Eddie which era do you think was more intolerant towards communism? The 1950's or now? Or the other decades? Just curious about your answer

Well, "super sicko", I don't think so. He was a member of the Knights of Columbus, a real conservative Roman Catholic who looked to his church in all matters including politics. The Church was dead set against atheistic communism, and so as a good Catholic, with political influence as a Senator, he was against it in the extreme, too. The Irish Catholic had principles and was consistent to them, and because of that made a most formidable opponent against us commies. In a sense, he was a fundamentalist, but since he acted according to his church in harmony with his conscience, he was not a phoney, false, fake, Christian. Oh noo..he was not a Maitreya at all. An alcoholic, who drank too much was about his level of vice. And he paid the price for it by actually drinking himself to death after he was censured by the Senate. His whole world crumbled after his defeat in the Army-McCarthy hearings. He had no reason to live, no purpose because he failed his church and his country. Of course, it is all pathetic, but at least he was pathetically true to his ideals and faith. And yes he gave me one bad time indeed; somehow he got my name from some cell or other, and I was rounded up by the authorities, not charged with anything nor permitted to speak to a lawyer, and I was sent kit-and-koboddle to a concentration type camp somewhere out in the wilderness of forests, and to this day don't know where that was. There we commies were all huddled together in a covered but empty patio, and faced towards an obstacle course of barbed wire, and traps, snares, and what have you; we were not permitted to sit down not even on the ground, no chairs, tables, just empty concrete. We discussed what all this meant, and one elderly commie said it was to tempt us to try and escape, and if the barbed wire and traps didn't finsh us off, there would be a contingent of military police waiting for us at the other end. And since I was among the youngest, I said I would test it out, because no way would I allow myself to remain a captive, when there was the slimmest chance of gaining my freedom. I told them to watch what I did, and if I got to the end, without meeting guards, then they could follow the same path to freedom. Well I got through alright, jumping traps and dodging snares, but when I got to the end, sure enough as the old commie told me the guards were waiting and had vehicles with the doors wide open. I was immediately put in one of them, and wisked away to some other location; where after some legal considerations I was let go. I guess I was a risky person to have around my other commies friends, some of whom I later visited in a federal prison where they were detained sans legal counsel. This was all McCarthyism at its worst and the worst era for us; the best era came with the beginning of the policy of Detente which Kissinger and Nixon put into effect when they realized that the Vietnam war was lost. McCarthy at his worst was never a Maitreya, he was loyal to his conscience and his church, and in good standing with it. His problem was that he was dead wrong about communism, and that's that.

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Suki: So, McCarthy was a modern Spanish Inquisition with principles. The way you describe him with no rancour is very telling about what I said earlier about your sensibilites Eddie. I still think anyone willing to persecute others without legal counsel based on non-reason beliefs is sick. I still think if he had his whole identity wrapped up into his image of his country and church reputation. He was more a man of ego than a religious person. But then one should never judge. And his alcoholism probably worsened as you say. Interesantisimo tu respuesta. That is one of the posts I liked the most. Because it sure says a whole lot about sticking to your principles.

Why am I not surprised you would be the one to run through the barbed wire and snares etc.? I am not surprised. It just confirms you can be 100 years old Eddie, and that strength I talked about will make you terribly handsome. lol.

Yes, El Demonio can't help being a hipocritical Maitreya. For he is a sellout through and through. Sellout his country Puerto Rico to an unjust foreign power and applaud the act. He will sellout his Pentecostal principles and supposed Christian thinking at the same time by putting his mundane interests and need to win in mundane realities above all else and then have the gall to fake Jesus out on Sundays mumbling for his forgiveness so he can secretly continue sinning every week. He is despreciable no doubt about it. And he will stroke his own ego constantly with those stupid caritas that he uses to stroke his own ego in his own mind, for the express purpose of projecting his own self-centered self on the world. Because no one else sees anything remotely redeeming about him to actually say anything of value. I have received so many emails. Of people telling me what they truly think of that Sellout Maitreya Demon. And if he knew how the world has been viewing him on pr.com he would be ashamed and not post another thing. But he lives in absolute self-delusion of greatness in his own mind. And won't ever get the message. Hoping my family members die. And I get raped by some "Marxist Reptile". He is so full of weird self projecting acts of low behavior. If I delved any deeper into his recesses I would be repulsed so deeply I could never recuperate. Es horroroso. Demonio pray harder than you have ever prayed before in your life. Ask yourself if you have been fair and truly Christian in your dealings with those who have different patterns of thought than you. To you Eddie is okay to malign and hate because he is an atheist and you are a creyente and have Jesus on your side. But what you fail to take into account is that if you were a true Christian you have to know God made Eddie with the same loving hands as he made you. And you as a supposed Christian are supposed to be representing the light of the world and the living example of Christian forgiveness, love and sacrifice. Instead, you have betrayed it all. And are more a bethren of Lucifer than of the Enlightened One. Repent while you still draw breath, and start loving your supposed 'enemies' and start loving being a Puerto Rican and not some imitation riqueno who is the lapdog of callous masters estilo Malavet. Think on it. You insensitive jerk. Don't think I don't know all of your subconscious fears and insecurities Maitreya Demonio. I just choose not to deal with you. You aren't worth much thought in general. But, if it ever occurrs to you to ever even remotely attempt to say a thing to my mother again. Or say I am some ramera and say my mother is too. Like you were trying to say. I will come after you dude. With all the speed reading I have done on you in the last two years. And don't think I won't go for your throat you evil, insensitive, callous disgusting excuse for the male gender.

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Old 19th July 2003, 01:08
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Lightbulb Eddie I am going to post about one of my favorite Anthropologists tomorrow..

Sidney Mintz. And how the intense search and production of sugar in the Caribbean shaped our Puerto Rico and the rest of the Caribbean's history. How that economic interest shaped so many things. It is highly interesting. And an appropriate theme. Especially for a diabetic. Lol. No. Also an analysis of some interesting themes in Sociology. Nos vemos. Eddie, yes, it is true I could listen to your relatos all day. And unlike Stanley, I don't think they are whoppers. I think they are truth. If I told you some of the things that have happened to me and also to my husband in fact on that last trip in Mexico. Something happened in a big way. And I wanted to tell you about it. But now. Too late. You turned me down. Some other day way in the future. Would be appropriate now. Buenas Noches.

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Old 19th July 2003, 05:47
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Suki: So, McCarthy was a modern Spanish Inquisition with principles.

You are probably right; he can be said to be the Torquemada of modern times. But you see, since I was raised a Roman Catholic, he did not seem as threatening as the Spaniard who imposed his will and beliefs on anyone who did not agree with him. That he had the power of T. is clear and unequivocable now as I refect after all these years as to how with a few legal technicalities I was able to go free, although I had already put my life on the line by running the gamut through that life-threatening obstacle course. As an addendum to that, let me add that after I was taken away by the guards, I was taken a day or two later to a small room, a colonial style place, something you might find in New England, and there, lo and behold, was only the Senator himself sitting in front of a small desk that was propped up against the wall, so that he had to face it, except he could swivel around right or left or do a 180, and face someone who was to the rear of him. I stood next to the desk and the guards stood next to the open doorway. Well, now, he started asking me questions about my commie principles, and what was astonishing was that he had an entire dossier on me from day one. He knew I was a baptized RC and where I had gone to elementary school, and that I was an Hispanic of Puerto Rican heritage. He unlike the T. of the stern and threatening visage, seemed quite gentle and spoke to me more like an Uncle than an Inquisitor. He did not use the rant in machine-gun fashion that he used in public and in the Senate against the "evils" of communism; he spoke with a nonfeigned Christian humility, that reminded me of what a saint of the church would be like. It was simply amazing that he had this private demeanor with me. I had expected to be condemned and even physically assaulted by him, perhaps, with the preverbial slap or two across the face, like many Catholics had experienced by priests and nuns. But no...no; it was a kind and gentle discussion in which he tried to convince me that communism is a great evil in the world. And, of course, he was speaking from his church and country points of view. As time passed, he realized that he was getting zilch from me in response, and instead of flaring up and resorting to his machine-gun rhetoric, he slowly turned away and fingered a half tumbler of Jameson's Irish whiskey that he had in front of him on the desk, and then he turned beet-red, and looked so thin and tired, and yes like he lacked any and all consolations. His nose seemed to sharpen, like he was facing death itself. But without a word, and not touching one drop of the whiskey, he somehow pushed a button, and I was led away and to freedom from his tiny monkish cubical Strange isn't it? I realized that he had the power to release me without further legal considerations, and he sadly did so. This was a man, who was entirely committed to his principles and conscience, like I am to my principles and conscience. We were just on opposite sides of the political and religious spectrum.
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Old 19th July 2003, 15:51
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Eddie,
That session with McCarthy was eye opening. lol. To say the least. Interesante. How you saw him as a dedicated and true believer in his point of view. Hmmm. La verdad es mas rara que la ficcion de verdad.

I wish we had dedicated conservatives on this forum to debate with in a productive way. In which the public could be informed about so many interesting things. In some other forum sites with other countries I have visited I found some decent right wingers with good debating skills and decent information. One, even emails me with information about international politics. We are on the opposite sides of the political spectrum but he is sincere and decent in his conservatism. Not like that Nameless ass, and the Maitreya here. They really are the worst of the worst. I mean the Nameless says he is a conservative. But he will change his point of view at the drop of a hat. To suit whatever his nutty self thinks is okay at the moment. No es consistente en lo mas minimo. My mother is so consistent. So was my father. I am realizing that is not the norm in some circles. Lol.

Oh, Eddie. How I have enjoyed reading your point of view on so many subjects. I have learned so much. I know I can't be a freind. And now I have accepted your boundaries. I see your principles and your background and how I can never be someone who you might view with fondness and love. How, I would have adored that. But, I think you should never underestimate your objectivities with me over time. Never. For only Yautia knows just how deep my loyalties go. Smile. And if anyone is trustworthy on knowing someone's principles...it is she. Lol. How I adore her. If you knew all I know about all of the stuff. I think you would be different with me. But, it will never be. It will never be. Oh, Eddie, there is the best exhibit en el Museo de las Americas this week about Peru. And the Incan Empire. I had a great time with it. Lol. And, my battery died on my car and I had to spend the morning buying a new battery. My husband is painting the inside of the house. It needed it. He can't help favoring bright Caribbean colors. But I like neutral stuff. I let him have his way. Lol. There is a painting an original piece of work on my living room wall. It is painted by a woman artist and given as a gift to my father. I just found out it is a lot of money. But I won't ever sell it. It is a picture of Jesus Christ, but an African Jesus with all the tropical plants of the Caribbean in the background. Painted with absolute perfection and vivid detail. It is lovely. My husband is working on a piece of music I think it is Chopin for the piano. It is so pretty. There is something else we are working on too. Of the highest importance. I am running out of time. You know, when I was in Mexico, I thought about my father and like clockwork again Eddie, I won some free nights and some beautiful resort. And all I could think of was sharing it with a local couple that was the epitome of Mexican hospitality and grace. Why am I so blessed? Especially with the privelege of writing in the same site as you Mr. Eddie. Like Stanley said. I could never compare myself to you and your generation of people. Never faced the hardships. Though I do think you have had enough pain my handsome Eddie. Enough to last a 20 lifetimes. And all you deserve now is a little bit of honey. Just a little bit. That is what I meant by spoiling you. Lol. I wanted to shower you with sweet talk and sweet words. For not only are they my most sincere feelings about you and your character and my deepest respect for your dedication. But, I think you deserve more than that. Much more. Infinitely more. The ones who had true principles. Deserve only recognition, respect and lots of azucar. And I did not get my nickname by accident Eddie. My Auntie, and my grandmother and my father and mother and many others....said I was the most generous child with hugs, kisses and affection they ever met. Lol. Thus the name. But, I am starting to think. That deep strength and some good, hard criticism on your part. Do me a world of good. It truly does. For there is nothing like honest critica to make one grow. And become better humans. Yep, it does one good. Especially when one is not worried about the intent of the source of the critica. I know it does come from a good place within you, Mr. Eddie. That is why I could not let Bambinita think you were trying to break me down. I knew your intention is never that. Don't you change. And feel free to say whatever to me from now on. Truly. Whatever is sincere on your part I think will never be something detrimental in the long run. Estoy convencida de eso.

I am not repulsed by war Eddie. Or death and destruction. I don't think people who are willing to die for their country and defending their land and their nation are barbaric. NO!!! I just think that the majority of wars nowadays are not about defending your land and your people and your right to be sovereign. It is all about money grubbing individuals and corporate interests and maintaining lifestyles that have no business being maintained. That is all. As a freind of mine of the Lakota Black Foot nation told me his great grandfather said before each battle against the US cavalry, "Today is a good day to die." Every day is a good day to die, if one lives with dignity and are loyal to your deepest convictions. If you are as you mentioned about McCarthy truly dedicated to your principles. But, I am seeing people of that sort so far and few between in modern times.

Well, I must say....I will be posting some interesting themes (at least for me). Good Afternoon. Precioso hombre.

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Old 19th July 2003, 18:21
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I think Ed had empathy with McCarthy because they were both Catholic. As I said before, Catholicism is more than religion-------- it is part of the cultural fabric. That is why I have also felt empathy with Irish folks and they have with me.

It is clear that Ed still has strong Catholic roots, no doubt about it. This is part of his culture and it can never be removed. OTOH, I don't see those religions from India as part of our culture. To me they are more of an outlet for those who are looking for answers (even thou there are none). You should convert to Catholicism to be a more authentic Latin American and to enjoy the culture. Like Ed said--------- The Kama Sutraa is not your thing.

The number of famous people Ed has met keeps growing. I will make a list.

BTW, thanks for the Scorpio analysis. Obviously I don't believe in astrology, but the words sounded nice and I actually share some of those Scorpio traits.
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Stanley,
I do believe Roman Catholicism is an entire culture in itself. How could I not? I married an ex-Roman Catholic. And to this day my husband prefers Gringo RC's to protestants hands down. Lol. But, I did not grow up in a particularly religious household Stanley. I did not. How did I become a Hindu you say? That is soooo foreign to our culture? First off I am not a traditional Hindu at all. And if I told you in detail how many things I don't follow from that religion it would be a lot longer than the things I do follow. For I never was that, a traditional believer, ever. There are things that make sense to me. But, I am afraid, I only talk about some parts with those I trust. Most people have a hard time understanding it. In general. Unless you do the exercises and see for yourself and do deep meditation for yourself and do it consistently, you don't understand what the attraction is. It is definitely something one has to do and experience for oneself. Papotito, both of you would agree grew up traditional Roman Catholic and on the island, raised by a devout RC Puerto Rican mother and father. Yet, he became president of the Yoga Association en el Sagrado Corazon. Yes, Stanley that is how I met my husband. He took Yoga classes with a Puerto Rican man whose parents were ex-RC's and became a Siek from the Golden Temple. Papotito LOVED the exercises and found them tremendously physically and mentally beneficial. And through that studied the religion. He does not consider himself a traditional Hindu. Neither do I. The Siek, thought he would make a good match with my sister. But, it was not to be. Totally opposite she is in every way imaginable than I am. He competed in a poetry contest in la UPR with my sister. He lost. My sister won first prize in both Spanish and English. She is quite a poetess. But he got an honorable mention in Spanish. She thought he was cool and invited him to the family picnic I told you about. Though Papotito never was a follower of traditional Hinduism or Guru Nanak either or that sect from the Punjab. No. But, those exercises are very ancient. And they have a lot of validity on many levels. And my sect is very open and allows people to follow those principles only that make sense to them. And made to be practiced as a practical science and not interfere with native cultural aspects of the people being introduced to Yoga. As one wise one said, "Is Yoga a religion?" his answer, "Is sleeping a religion?", no it is not. Yoga is a practice. If one decides to believe in reincarnation, or other aspects of hinduism. That is your choice. Or if one decides to be atheist, and practice Yoga, that is very acceptable. Though most practicioners are believers in God. Many aspects of culture as manifest from India, is not approved by the real ancient sects. Who were fair minded. Not sexist and against materialism and greed. They were many who renounced all worldly ambitions like many monks and preists do in the RC and just dedicate themselves to trying to reach liberation. In the sense of not having any kind of worldly attachments. Now Yoga is more mainstream and has very little of religious ritual attached to it. I follow that which makes common sense for me. And we are not allowed to spread the word or try to get converts. Or anything that is close to trying to change anybody else's religious convictions. NOT allowed. A big no-no. Now, I find that their affirmations for healing and positive thinking and for overcoming many problems are quite effective. At least in my life they have been. I am not surprised. Like Eddie said, they are an ancient culture and an ancient religion. More ancient than Roman Catholicism. And as many Eastern things are, grounded on many milleniums of trial and error. And refined into a form of living that is applicable. Now, I must admit. I think if I had not experienced the tangible results in my body and the scientific responses with absolute certainty every time I do the things recommended. I would be your doubting Tomasa. Lol. Many things have to experienced and DONE for you to understand them. Eddie lives his Communism. And I think he is dedicated and it works. And he is such an attractive Communist. I would be highly tempted to convert. If it were not for those PHYSICALLY and EXPERIENTIALLY tangibly felt RESULTS with such incredible consistency that I have felt and experienced doing those milleniums old exercises. PUNTO. Dogma. I don't like. Religious fanaticism and judgementalism and prejudice I don't like. If you think Stanley I am less Puertorriquena than a Roman Catholic puertorriquena and probably Eddie fully agrees with that assessment. Then so be it. But I would be an idiot to give up something I have found so meaningful in so many ways. Just so I can be more accepted by an RC who likes RC cuz its rituals and pretty rituals and calendar but knows God is hard to prove exists, and as Eddie pointed out has an element of atheism in denial about. And a gorgeous Communist, who is atheistic, and is a numeric minority within his ethnic group. Don't you think there is an element of irony in that? Being chastised by you two for my lack of Roman Catholic tradition? On this thread? Do you think I am going to hell? I laughed at something Papotito said regarding my lack of baptism. He said, "Bueno, Vidita. Yo tengo que tener cuidado porque fui bautizado y si peco mucho, me voy para el infierno. Pero tu, estas bien todavia, por que no te comprometiste." He was being facetious of course. But there is that guilt for RC's is there not? I think RC culture is lovely, and always will. I consider myself puertorriquena. And always will. And I will be Suki too. But I do think I am just one person Stanley. In this website. And Eddie has his Communist community. You have your RC and capitalism. And I have my practices and my socialism. Though, I think Eddie's suggestions about the more orthodox communism is very valid. And I will give it my attention. Stanley, if I was going to become an RC it would be because of Padre Jose. He is as dedicated and beautiful a priest as anyone can meet. And there is nothing I don't like about his character. But, even he does not want me to change my religion. He said, "eres encantadora, y eres fiel a tu consciencia en tus creencias Vida. No las cambies por nada." Stanley, would you want me to be changing my religion to please you? Or to please Eddie? People should change their religion or their politics only if their conscience is telling them.....you no longer believe this sincerely and are living a lie. Change. If you are in harmony why change? You would only be a vile hipocrite, estilo El Jib. Spouting rhetoric but acting and believing something completely different. That would drive me nuts. And I know my husband could not live a lie. I can tell every time he attempts to lie. It is very difficult for him. And I can't lie about something so essential. I am part of el Frente Unido there of Independentistas. I don't care if you are a creyente, or atheist or whatever if you want Puerto Rico to be independent. You can count on my support. Once independence is achieved, then let all the independence groups battle it out for leadership positions. I can tell you right now. If Eddie was running for the Communist Party in Puerto Rico I would vote for him in a second. And time to confess the truth. Every time there is a communist candidate on the ballot in Colorado, I vote for them. I do. Lol. De verdad. In fact they did a survey once, in downtown Denver many years ago, and the Governor back then Roy Romer, came out and said--we have statistics back from voting polls. We surveyed 100 Colorado voters. Blah, blah, blah, then he said, a lot of diversity. We even had two---uh---Puerto Rican women Communist voters. Can you believe that?" And my mother and I were watching on the TV set. And we knew we had just finished filling out the surveys. And came home. We knew it was us. Lol.

I try to avoid pigeon holing Stanley. And I worry about my mother living in that state she lives in. When I visited my Uncle there were some die hard KKK people and I won't go into it. But I worry about my mother all the time. I mean to them Clinton voters are communists like the Nameless one thinks. They are crazy extremists. Those are. Cuz they have no education on anything related to real politics. And most are bible thumping fundamentalist violent hipocrites and racists to boot estilo El Jib the white trash version. Y Mami is not a shrinking violet who won't be upfront about her politics.

Suki.

I am running out of time. So, I am letting it all come out. Lol.

Suki.

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