I want to improve my English...

[Eddier1]

In the end is the abolengo---------------- and those who descend from opressed groups will have a hard time competing and hence Ed calls them victims.

Suki I guess you are a victim of Cristobal Colon and Ponce de Leon---- just kidding. In any event I cannot glorify or celebrate my so called victim status as this serves no purpose. If I consider myself a victim 24/7 I would lose my motivation and would become a depressed guy.

Ed:

So what if Suki has Burguesita traits? What is the big deal? NOt everybodty can have the same dedication you have. In a prior post I told you that you were like a devoted priest who had taken a vow of poverty and celibacy. OTOH, Suki is more like a faithful parish member who is very religious but not sure about becoming a nun to take the vows. There is a different level of commitment, but you should celebrate her status and not expect her to join the clergy as you have. Yes Ed!!!!!!! you are a man of the cloth. [/b][/quote]

AHAHAHahahaha....you got to be kidding, Stan! Or perhaps you want me to say like I did more than 60 years ago.."Holy Christ!" JIJIJIJijijijiji...But see here, what is this word abolengo; I don't recall ever hearing it in Puerto Rico or in Espana; is it some 'in-word' of you hispanic bourgeosie? I like to hear new idiomatic words and expressions in languages, because perhaps they introduce a new notion, or better even a concept that makes one understand the language and people better. Alright, with respect to Suki, remember that I did agree with you about her being a little bourgeosie, but you didn't teach that to me, since I had conversations with her before about such traits in relation to liberalism, and unfortunately about what is now called liberal-femme nazis and or plainly liberal nazis. So don't get on your high horse and act so possessive of her yet, since I know she will fight you tooth and nail, even though she secretly agrees with you. What I do accept from you, disque, the 100% bourgeosis that you are, is that you know the individuals who are of your own class (although you ain't perfect and made a ludicrous mistake in calling me one also, LOL!) Well no one is perfect in this world. You say in the penultimate post that you recognize you are a victim, and now probably for tactical purposes have chosen to ignore that you don't really have a country in a genuine sense. You put "HOME" before everything else, and if you got a good home that is all that matters to you. Alright, but I see it as a cop-out, but you know how to economically profit by taking that tact, and I suppose you would add-on that you are a member of the "national" or Puerto Rican bourgeosie, and that would be the truth. You guys need a national bourgeois revolution real bad, and if one comes about, perhaps you will move back to Puerto Rico then, and not make it merely a winter vacation spot. Hmmmmm, yes or no?

[Eddier1]

Suki is there anything that Stan can say to you that would offend you? I ask because he has been very fresh to both you and your Mom on this forum. Not fresh in the sexual sense, but in a criticizing way. Yes, he has said some very detrimental things to you and not once did you say "You hurt me Stan'. As to the email; you offered and he rejected you about corresponding with you that way, because he said he would not take the chance of you saying something "feo" to him. That's what he thinks about you and he said it! Yet you were not offended by it. You know why...because you are of the same class as he is, and both he and you know that! You don't dare to try to intimidate him, so you have the craziness to take me on time and again; hey I don't forget that message you left for me in the General Personals, and I never will. Now, as to your long walks to see the scenery, oh yes how convenient now! that it can benefit your health problem; lucky you. But I know that you did such long walks and trips just to see the scenery long before your condition became a real problem. I know because your treatment for it, using natural methods of diet and herbals is what new comers to that disease would use if they were nature minded, and only as a last resort would they use insulin shots, brrrr... However let's cut to the chase as Mom likes to say. About liberalism there are three major things that make it visible to us commies, (we don't have the inside track that Stan has so he doesn't need them in order to know) One: you don't really read to comprehend because you gloss over stuff by "speed reading", and that never gets it done, so therefore, you can make some pretty huge mistakes and tell pretty huge whoppers (like you did in relation to messing up my signature recently) Other liberals, who don't pretend, don't bother to read anything, not books, magazines, periodicals, and least of all scholarly journals, and I know plenty of them who are simply satisfied to find ways and means to make money, by mostly bullcrapping the poor and getting the gov't to pay them to tend to the poor and needy. Second, they all like to take those long walks in the breeze and sunshine to see the scenery and that includes seeing pretty women if they are men, and handsome men if they are liberal women. And yes, the latter are easy lays. And third, they all have the disgusting habit of not only liking sex and violence and exploiting it as the common ground that unites all the human race; (they do this for political reasons to get votes), LOL!; but also, they all have the disgusting habit (Jewish style) of following the practice of "I'll scratch your back if you scratch mine". This "respaldando" is pecularily obnoxious to the proletariat, who look first and foremost to peoples' principles and not to their greed and disgusting self-interests. Optimistically, hoping that you can judge yourself honestly against this criterion of identifying who is a liberal and who is not. As for me 'argumentum ad vericundium' is acceptable in Stanley's case, because he is an authority on who is a member of the bourgeosie among liberals, too. It is logical and totally valid to use the 'argumentum ad vericundium'; it works; and I thought also that Stan would appreciate a bit of Latin, since he is still a member of the Latin Church of Rome...and as he likes to say all of it has "cultural values".

[Stanley]

Ed:

ISuki can easily tell that my stingers to her are done with no malice. She can also see that many of my stingers are done in joking manner---------- like when I wrote her a poem about Suki-- The Burguesita Intelectual. She can also tell that I don't really think she will say something "feo" to me-------------- She knows I am BSing.

I will admit that my stingers to Yautia have been more severe, but she can also see there is no bad intent behind them.


A discrepancy between Suki and me is no big deal as I am meaningless to her. However, a discrepancy between Suki and you is a huge deal because you mean so much to her.

So------------------ she is bound to be offended if she perceives any disagreement or rejection from you. OTOH, she could care less if I disagree with her. Does that make sense to you?

Regarding the Spanish word abolengo------------ I heard my parents use the term from time to time when I was a kid. It simply means ancestry, but with a little twist. For example if your paternal grandfather was Antonio Machado and your maternal granfather was Tomas Alba Edison you would be a person "que viene de buena familia y buen abolengo".

I am glad that we agree on one thing--------- you and I see liberals in the same manner. Nothing irks me more than those who use the poor to line their pockets. That is why I dislike Jesse Jackson so much. He has become a very wealthy man by exploiting the race and poverty issue-------------- Hillary and Clinton have done the same.

In fact I would abolish the entire welfare infrastructure and save all the money in salaries that are paid to the bureaucrasy that runs the system. I once heard that only 20-30 cents of every dollar spent in the war against poverty actually goes to the poor. The rest is overhead or used to line the pockets of the few on top. I would rather cut a check and mail it to every poor citizen every year. This would dramatically cut down the size of the poor industry. I would give all the freedom in the world to the poor on how to spend the money. If they blow it off in drugs in one months so be it. At least they would be responsible for their own destiny. At some point they will learn how to manage the money.

[Eddier1]

Originally posted by Stanley
Ed:

ISuki can easily tell that my stingers to her are done with no malice. She can also see that many of my stingers are done in joking manner---------- like when I wrote her a poem about Suki-- The Burguesita Intelectual. She can also tell that I don't really think she will say something "feo" to me-------------- She knows I am BSing.

I will admit that my stingers to Yautia have been more severe, but she can also see there is no bad intent behind them.


A discrepancy between Suki and me is no big deal as I am meaningless to her. However, a discrepancy between Suki and you is a huge deal because you mean so much to her.

So------------------ she is bound to be offended if she perceives any disagreement or rejection from you. OTOH, she could care less if I disagree with her. Does that make sense to you?

Regarding the Spanish word abolengo------------ I heard my parents use the term from time to time when I was a kid. It simply means ancestry, but with a little twist. For example if your paternal grandfather was Antonio Machado and your maternal granfather was Tomas Alba Edison you would be a person "que viene de buena familia y buen abolengo".

I am glad that we agree on one thing--------- you and I see liberals in the same manner. Nothing irks me more than those who use the poor to line their pockets. That is why I dislike Jesse Jackson so much. He has become a very wealthy man by exploiting the race and poverty issue-------------- Hillary and Clinton have done the same.

In fact I would abolish the entire welfare infrastructure and save all the money in salaries that are paid to the bureaucrasy that runs the system. I once heard that only 20-30 cents of every dollar spent in the war against poverty actually goes to the poor. The rest is overhead or used to line the pockets of the few on top. I would rather cut a check and mail it to every poor citizen every year. This would dramatically cut down the size of the poor industry. I would give all the freedom in the world to the poor on how to spend the money. If they blow it off in drugs in one months so be it. At least they would be responsible for their own destiny. At some point they will learn how to manage the money.

The proof of the 'pudding' is in the eating, and you and Suki, as far as she said, don't speak to each other in private by email or ICQ, as far as I know. That says a lot to vitiate your claim that she knows your were BSing. Listen you bourgeois have your intrafactional disputes too. And like you condemn Liberal bourgeois who make profit out of poverty and other bad social condtions, you all are buddy-buddy when it is not a political or social issues that you have different slants on. That white wine and brie cheese is universal with you guys at cocktail time, don't deny it.Aha-ha..No...no what I am to Suki is a work in progress; her methods may seem to jerk at the heart strings, but then she uses practically the same method with all those guys and gals she discusses with. With you , it is really a bit different because you went a bit overboard in criticizing her Mom, but so did she if you know anything about the Ecuajey aka Patria y la Pava incident. You are already salted away by her as a bourgeois, and therefore don't need to be a work in progress like I am. Oh yes she would like to tell you off in private to release her tensions, but you are of her class, and she will not offend you, but only tease you in the final analysis. Me, she would destroy in an instant if she got the chance; and there are many examples on this board that I could cite, where she tried to be a femme fatale with me, but failed. Down deep she hates us commies, and loves her bourgeois style of life, where 'slumming' is constant "fun" as long as no one gets wise to her. She will never realize that the errors of mass executions and pogroms by some commies, like Pol Pot, etc. is not mandated in the principles of scientific socialism, just like all the brutality and wars of Christians against Christians is not mandated by the Christian message of Yeshua bin Joseph. There are errors and there are principles. If we try to correct those errors the principles stand! In conclusion, you are toying with Suki because you know that she opines your stingers are all joking fun. However, her stingers and your's with regard to me are deadly serious, and we commies know that and recognize them as warning signs of the level of intensity of the class warfare going on between us and you bourgeosie.

p.s. so the word 'abolengo' was a 'homey' word of your family, and you say it occurs in the Spanish language although I don't find it in my old decrepit dictionary, that goes way back. At least now I know that the word means ancestry for you. My ancestry is on all 'four sides' Puertorriqueno, and the "abolengo" has been significant for its traits of militancy, some it being professional military. I know the "Captains from Castille", and the 'revolutionary Unionistas and Socialists' in my past descendency.

[Stanley]

Ed:

I don't have a Spanish dictionary with me, but I am pretty sure abolengo is part of the Spanish language. Perhaps, your brother in arms--- El Cid can give us an opinion.

You are correct------- I can imagine Suki discussing scholarly issues while drinking her white wine and planning her next trip to an exotic place to study the locals and to be fascinated by their ancient lifestyle. In that sense she passes as a Burguesita Intelectual. OTOH, I dislike white wine and prefer vino tinto. Ribera del Duero wines are among my favorites. Nevertheless I see myself as less a burguesito than Suki. In the end I simply enjoy any kind of conversation with anyone and do not judge others.

I still don't see Suki as a feminazi who would go for the kill if a man disagrees with her. Maybe I am naive, but I just don't see it. OTOH, her mom seems more militant, but at the same time closer to your pure ideology.

I was enthralled by the ending of your post----------- it showed some dislike for the class structure of most societies. I understand---- I am a fan of John Lennon.

BTW, had no idea Ecuajey was a popular. Was up with that?



[Edited by Stanley on 22nd July 2003 at 17:08]

[Eddier1]

[quote]Originally posted by Stanley
[b]Ed:

I don't have a Spanish dictionary with me, but I am pretty sure abolengo is part of the Spanish language. Perhaps, your brother in arms--- El Cid can give us an opinion.

You are correct------- I can imagine Suki discussing scholarly issues while drinking her white wine and planning her next trip to an exotic place to study the locals and to be fascinated by their ancient lifestyle. In that sense she passes as a Burguesita Intelectual. OTOH, I dislike white wine and prefer vino tinto. Ribera del Duero wines are among my favorites. Nevertheless I see myself as less a burguesito than Suki. In the end I simply enjoy any kind of conversation with anyone and do not judge others.

I still don't see Suki as a feminazi who would go for the kill if a man disagrees with her. Maybe I am naive, but I just don't see it. OTOH, her mom seems more militant, but at the same time closer to your pure ideology.

I was enthralled by the ending of your post----------- it showed some dislike for the class structure of most societies. I understand---- I am a fan of John Lennon.

BTW, had no idea Ecuajey was a popular. Was up with that?
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Stan you don't see Suki as capable of going for the jugular?
Well I do. But I will not reveal all of her history when she was a young kid in Puerto Rico; not because she ordered me not to, although she seems to want to order me to keep on posting with a reverse english effect, of riling me into questioning why she is so insistent and domineering in constantly insisting. If I were a kid, I might simply be contrary, and feel that no one orders me to do this or that; I do what I want and what I think is right. And that might make me stop posting all together, eh; reverse english, an anglo-saxon device of cunning; oh boy, she's come a long way baby, and it ain't Puertorriquena either. Suki I encountered long ago on the internet, when I was using another screenname on AOL, she did the same thing then as now, disque, throw potshots at me, like tracking my posts in the Politics forum and taking exception at my intensity for my cause of Independence, scientific socialist style. At the time the main character was a guy, who later on I found out was a hairdresser, who called himself ConstrGuy; he was a bad dude almost as bad an Manny Alonso Rosas, but he wasn't Maitreya since he was not into relgion in anyway. In that time also, I had one encounter with Manny who used the El Jibaro name; he popped in after I had made an argument against American imperialism in the forum. He too took a potshot at me, by calling me a snake, and then he fled the forum, never to return as far as I know, and I was there considerably longer. Unfortunately, when I came to this forum he was here, and immediately "jumped" me on my very first post, and in a subsequent one said that if I remained here that I shouldn't crawl like a snake. Typical of the Maitreya to be so involved in reptilian imagery, because he is the man-instructing snake itself, disque Maitreya. So you see both Suki and that son of the whore of Babylon were known to me, and when I read some of Suki's posts she liked the Maitreya, and found him cute and amusing and said so. She then returned to her old modus operandi and tracked my posts and visited the Philosophy forum where I was having a disqusition with Raul_gr, a long one, and she intruded in the discussion to drop her load of Hinduism philosophy on us. She wrote very well, and quite charmingly, not like she did when she chastised me on AOL. So I told her that she was a bright woman, but I pointed out the defects of that erotic religion/mysticism to her as I saw it to be. Well, this is getting a bit long, so let me be brief and say that as a woman she is "mysterious" to me, and the accounts of her young years, which she will never reveal on this forum, not that!, only the sweet things or enchanting things are not the things she told me in private conversations...gosh that over 12 inch knife that she confronted her granddad with might at least give you a clue!
Let me conclude tersely on the Ecuajey. On the AOL, he went by the name of Hombre-cuidad, and he used it early on in this forum too. He showed himself to be a real Nazi then, posting lots about fascism in a positive way. But when he got here, he dropped that schtick and became an Anarchist, and was interested in the Pavas in terms of criticizing them, as he did against PIP and Ruben Berrios too. A typical anarchist who sided with Raul_gr whose Puerto Rican Party is really an anarchist one also. So Ecuajey is not Popular at all. His troubles with Suki stemmed from an invective he threw at Suki's mother, a really nasty one as guys of his pimp on pimp/ homosexual style of life can do. So you ought to ask Suki to explain it more if you really are interested in the big problem that it caused her on this forum.

[Suki]

Eddie,
After reading this post today. I am going to do what you think I should do about this internet acquaintanceship. I swear on all that I hold dear in this life. And unto God and unto the love I have of my husband Eddie. Which is great. I never met you before, before the post in philosophy with raul g. I realize now, you might see me as some sick, weird, low life person. Burguesa, corrupta etc. etc. You are not correct on any of those premises. But, I am glad you are being honest with what you truly think of me. I always felt only positive things towards you. I still hold the view that you are precioso, hermoso y especial. And I hope your community holds you close and dear to them.

And I thought you would be honest. You always are. I am sorry I just wanted to be exchanging things here with you. My little godson who is fifteen years old read your opinion of me being some burguesa walking through the woods and etc. He laughed so much. He said, "no te conocen en nada esa gente, madrina." I had to laugh too. It is ludicrous. And funny.

Take care Eddie. I interpret this last post as you wanting me not to address you anymore. I always will respect your boundaries.

Eddie, Stanley was right about only one thing. I never took his posts with any emotion, cuz I did not care about what his opinion was in general. But, I did about yours. I am a better socialist for meeting you. And I see only positive in people. Only positive. Always. Life is too short for the negative. You did warn me though. You never believed in love or trust. How could I expect you to believe to trust me or that I loved you in the loveliest platonic internet way in the world? I could not expect such. You were honest about that. Always have been. I never wanted to cause you anxiety or problems. Never. I hope my future actions towards you will be proof that I will never cause you bother, or anxiety or anything negative. Take care of yourself Eddie. Hombre precioso. Adios.

Good Evening. The Maitreya when I first came to the forum. Did not know the dude from Adam. And I gave him the benefit of the doubt, even though I never liked statehooders ever. Lol. But, I soon realized what kind of person he was. I don't cope with the man, never have. Not worth it.

Hey, I certainly have gained a lot of knowledge about many things from you Eddie. Ay, como me has dado placer en conversacion. Que chevere fue eso. Lo de mi abuelo, I was under so much pressure, the FBI, the problems with my parents ( I thought they were going to be killed) Eddie. And I was so young. 16. I regret it now. I never liked the things he said to my abuelita. That was very private though. And I don't think it was good of you to say such things. But, hey now I realize you thought me someone else. Some weirdo. I aint that Eddie. Never was. But, some things can't be saved. Take care of your health. And take care of your deepest convictions. They are beautiful. And define your humanity always. I am leaving tomorrow for some project. I am going to adopt some children next year. Wish me luck. Buenas noches.

Suki.