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[Stanley]

Suki:

I have not gone thru any significant hardships in my life. I have been extremely lucky and remain healthy with no known illness. Therefore, I will never know what is like to to be in the shoes of someone who had a terrible childhood illness and countless of difficult situations in life. Due to the lack of prior devastating experiences in my life I feel the so call inmortality of youth and at times cannot understand the struggle of others. However, I have been able to see that Ed has struggled a lot and that is why he might have been more sensitive than expected to your remark. It is possible that you had acquired the de jour communicating style of many in the forum with lots of innuendos and mini-insults. SOmetimes I fall into that trap myself and then I am sorry for it. I believe you are truly sorry for the mishap which occurred at a very inconvenient time. Give it some time---- now that things are in the open there is no way to go but upwards to a happy resolution.

[Eddier1]

Stan, so you consider Lennon's "Imagine" a commie anthem. I like that song too, and "Let it Be" very much also. Yep, they both have commie strains in them, no doubt about it, the latter with regard to us commies accepting what is historically determined as a path to freedom. I would not be surprised, if I had inside info on Lennon, that he was a communist, because he came from a working class neighborhood in Liverpool, and lived all his young years in a 'flat' which I think his Aunt rented. However, that may be, have you listened to our official communist anthem? It is IMHO one of the greatest anthems I have ever heard. Being a musician I know you have your 'druthers' and "Imagine" suits them to a tee. Nevertheless, our communist anthem I place on a level with the great French national anthem, yes I do, because it too has many traits that come from French historical events. The Patriarchical source of communism was the Frenchman Francois Noel Babebuf, whose nom de plume and guerre was Gracchus. He was the first genuine communist to walk the face of this earth; everything he stated in his Journals (il"Tribune de Peuple" and other journalist writings} are the fundamental principles of communism. Marx studied and knew them dating from Babebuf, but became the Father of Communist Literature, because of his extensive works in communist philosophy.

As for Vida "Suki", she replied exactly what I thought she would, all the hemming, hawing, and trimming ala tersgivisando ala max. She still is a Western style Liberal and Bourgeois 'WANNABE'. Yooo! she still carps on either she leaves the forum and/or I leave the forum, because she is intolerant like the westerners. And it is like this "town ain't big enough for both of us" or in this case this forum isn't big enough for her and me a scientific socialist. Ahahahaha...que Jibarita. She has come a long way baby, and it isn't genuine Puertorriquena; she still is head-hunting.

HACIA LA VICTORIA SIEMPRE BORICUAS, JUNTOS VENCEREMOS!
Soy Puertorriqueno y Punto; e Realista Social.
EddieR

[Edited by Leticia_g on 26th July 2003 at 03:35]

[Stanley]

Ed:

I will try to find the posts that Suki mentioned-------- if you don't mind.

I said before that I could never be half the man my dad was. The main reason was that he had a lot of hardship to overcome including typhoid as a child and been an orphan at a very young age with no food on the table. I had it easy thanks to him--------------- these things make him the better man. My dad was also sensitive------------ and now that I have learned of your life history I can tell that when a person has a lot of struggles the armor weakens and there may be a greater sensitivity that may not be apparent to others. Like you------my dad took negative comments in a very serious manner, whereas I tend to let these things pass.

I don't think Suki had recognized the above and I don't blame her as I have at times been quite insensitive myself to others due to my lack of experience.

I accept some traits of burguesito if that means that I want to enjoy the time I have left on the planet. However, my gratification mostly comes from providing to my family. At the present time my only personal diversion is golf. I don't pretend to be an intellectual and that is obvious from my rudimentary knowledge of literature, history, or philosophy. At least I am not a Burguesito intellectual que ignora su ignorancia. The latter is one verse of the poem I wrote for Suki.

[Eddier1]

Not at all Stanley, I don't mind, in fact I encourage you to do the research. If you find out that what I posted to you was accurate, then fine. But it may also once you read her reactions to it, make you opine like I do but have not wanted to express, but know now it is necessary THAT la Suki is not only una jibarita, pero una Jibarita ALZA! Y tu no tienes ninguna razon para alzarte en tu estatus de Burgess, el porque lo eres en todo el sentido de la palabra.

I recall in a book or short story I read a half century ago entitled the "The Respectable Prostitute" how it described how you bourgeoise like to take women, married or not women, as their concubines, disque, mistresses. That it is the manly thing for the male bourgeoisie to do, while keeping their HOME sacred, intact, and acceptable to their wives. You don't strike me as any different, what with all the interest you take in eroticism, and womem problems. But that is not a stinger for you scorpio, it is the way of that class of individuals. Hence, Suki is fair game for you, and you are toying with her, saying that she ought to know you are only joking, oh yeah, harrumph!. Suki is fascinated with sex and violence, and she doesn't deny it, so she is fair game according to your bourgeois class. Her husband has been reduced to a wimp, and we know why or ought to when reading all her posts on this forum and others. Yes, you are playing the game, and it isn't only the one of golf. Your posts prove it!

[Stanley]

This may sound incredible to you Ed, but I have not slept with another woman since I got married in 1973.

I will admit that I am a "Girl Watcher"--------- remember that song from the 60s. I may be a flrt with a good looking woman and a few times in my lifetime I came close to infidelity, but I put the brakes on.

BTW, my lack of infidelity to my wife is not rooted in religious beliefs or puritanical moral values. I seem to be happy with a monogamous lifestyle. I think the main reason I never strayed was that I am too lazy to lie to my wife and to put on the moves on another woman. I also think of the pain it could cause and I sort of stay away from it.

I must tell you that years ago when I was in my 20s and on a business trip I met a very attractive so called Mexican American in Texas. I went to her hotel room and did some necking and then politely said good night when I realized I was getting too deep into the situation. It may very well be that all the drinks I had in the bar were wearing off, but I walked out of there without having intercourse. Sure, I was weak to come that far, but I am not perfect and could easily be seduced by a beautiful woman in the right circumstances. However, I am a home body and I am not around that much action anymore.

Perhaps you are judging me based on your own condition. Many commies have been known to be womanizers. Gee--- you sound like your nemesis El Jib------ preaching about the evils of sexuality to El Escorpio Man.


Regarding Suki:

She made it clear she did not have an erotic bone in her body and that her love for Papotito was not based on that level. I tend to believe her----- she was pretty clear about it. Her constant adulation of Papotito seems exaggerated and I thought it was a mechanism of defense or a cover---- I have to agree on that one. It is also possible that Papotiti who once wanted to enter the priesthood may be a very docile easy to control husband-------- who knows?

I will look up that thread.

[Eddier1]

Hey I was not judging you; I was merely pointing out an historically known fact about the class of Burgess that you are a member of. Again, hey, look at the Italians and the French and you will see the truth that to the bourgeoisie, having mistresses is an institution! Even the present Pres. of France is said to have his mistress well ensconced and payed for in her own place. Why do you take almost everything I say to you personally? We are talking classes here and not personalisms about individuals of that class.
Now, you said the following, and it seems a very weak attempt to retaliate on the level of the class struggle; it may have been by instinct because you usually are only interested in yourself, disque, your self interests, enlightened or not:

"Perhaps you are judging me based on your own condition. Many commies have been known to be womanizers. Gee--- you sound like your nemesis El Jib------ preaching about the evils of sexuality to El Escorpio Man."

See what I mean? If you are simply hypothesizing about me, I don't have to explain anything to an unjust supposition. But you got to list some or all of the commies by name that you have evidence were womenizers, and please leave Trotsky out of it, because he was judged not to be a real commie, but a wreaker of scientific socialism, as well as a wreaker of homes between man and wife, like the bourgeoisie have proved to be. Come on, back up your unjust accusation with evidence or data, names at least; or admit you are simply flailing out in a weak attempt to revenge yourself on what I said about the bourgeoisie, and not you as an individual!
As for Suki, go on defending the Yogist all you want, since you see her as a burgesita, whom you can be possessive about. As for her husband he is a wimp, and he must know that she comes across as quite erotic, and has written posts that were requete erotic about the naked sexual relations she had, and even down to the smells of men's skins when she is in contact with that! You obviously don't know Suki, and if she got a chance she would make you a pretzel physically like in Yoga and an emasculated man by her dominatrix ways. As for me, my masculinity is engrained no matter what! That is why she bangs her head against the wall every time she takes me on in this forum.

[Stanley]

I know next to nothing about the private sex lifes of those who identify themselves as commies. My statement regarding adultery and commies is based on probability. MOst societies tend to have men that have comcubines-------- therefore I assume comies could also be unfaithful.

In any event you should have known the paragraph was intended to be a stinger and it certainly worked. But, lets see------- Fidel? Did he ever have sex outside his marriage? To be honest-- I don't recall.

IN any event it would seem logical for a true commie to have better moral values in that respect than a capitalist. I say so because a true commie is very much like a dedicated RC priest and guided by a strict moral code where acording to you moral relativity is not accepted. In America sex outside marriage is virtually accepted and forgiven. It was shocking for me to learn that in the USA Anglo men are very quick to forgive adultery. I think that in that regard we Latins have more of a zero tolerance for that type of thing. To be honest the Grigos are un chorro de pendejos that allow their women to sleep around and walk all over them. I am old school--------- I cannot accept views like that. And once again------------ I repeat this is not based on religion or puritanical views. I simply do not accept such behavior. I go even further and tell you that I encouraged my son to remain a virgin as long as possible as I do not relate manhood to sexual precocity. The reminds me of the book by Oscar Lewis that Suki and Yautia cite so much. As I recall many Puerto Rican mothers were proud if their 13 year old kids engaging other women. Deep inside they felt satisfaction if the kid got a girl pregnant as they confirmed that the kid was "un macho".

I read some of the posts where Suki seems to be lecturing you on how to behave. Gee---- for a momemt I thought the post was directed at AR or El Jib. She was pretty harsh with you. This is why I am so confused------ I don't really understand why she scolded you and then praised you at the same time. Ir reminds me of the wife beater who them wants to make love to his wife after beating the crap out of her. Does that make sense? It also reminds me of those classic love hate relationships between parents and children.

I did not find anything regarding erotocism and Suki, but I will search. Apparently this trait made you conclude her tendency towards the Burguesia. To be honest she always sounded like a burguesita even thou I did not have the chance to see that other reincarnation of Suki. In my presence she has been more like the non-erotic good two shoes nun. I hope you are not implying adultery or anything like that. She comes accross as a straight shooter.

BTW, there is nothing inherently wrong about a spouse having sexual fantasies with another person outside the marriage. What is really important is not to act on those impulses. Perhaps you are assuming erotic thoughts is something only burguesitas do. This in itself is not evil.