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[Stanley]

Suki:

I am glad you are back!---------- I enjoy the dialogue between you and Ed!

I was happy to see that you have seen the burguesita side of your personality. When I 1st wrote you "The Burguesita Intelectual" verses I had no idea Ed had made a sililar observation about you much earlier. Obviously I am not offended by your leanings since I have them too. The only dofference was that I had recognized those traits and you hadn't. If this is of any consolidation-- a true burgués has no conciousness of his or her burgués status. However, they feel superior and entitled to certain things. I don't think you have a feeling of superiority even thou Ed was suspicious when you and Yautia were blowing your horns so much. Not to worry----- I have seen Ed blow his horn too.

As for the abolengo-------- that is tricky. I consider myself a man with no siginifican abolengo as I can only go back to the generation of my bisabuelos. There is no record of anything else beyond that point. I can tell you that my maternal bisabuelo left my bisabuela peniless and in the street when he ran away with a beautiful morena (according to my mom he was un sinverguenza mujeriego). This move left the family as poor as anyone else in PR. As for my paternal grandparents they had a business in Mayaguez that ran to the ground when they both died at a very young age-------- as I told you my dad ended up as an orphan and in the clutch of the great depression. Life was fragile during those days. Your origins are not different than mine.

We also share great admiration for our fathers, but I find your idea to find a substitute in other older men quite strange. I never experienced that----- in fact it is something that I consider an impossibility. Perhaps you did not spend enough time with your dad or perhaps the idea of going for a substitute is a female thing. Are you attracted tom older men? Maybe there is something in there you want to explore.

As for the correlation of eroticism and smells: I believe there is something to it. I discoverd this by accident as a young man when I smelled the sweat of a very nice young lady who was my girlfriend before I met my wife. We had been playing tennis and were as you can imagine quite sweaty. I don't know---- it didn't bother me at all. In my mind it was nothing more than female scent and I quickly realized we are no different than other animals who use scent as an aphrodisiac.

[Eddier1]

Stan, please cite where, when, and what I blew my horn about? It seems to me an unjust remark, or merely an untruth by you; if you opine neither, it might simply be poetic license on your part in using stingers. Secondly, what you say about the father image being something you find "strange", shows you know zilch about transference when mentoring or analysis is being done with another person. The more the person has mixed emotions, or is unfortunately in an emotional chaos over some psychological issue, the stronger the process of transference becomes. Father figures under those conditions are quite normal effects of the intensity that is involved in a one-to-one relationship between a person and another person who is trying to assist. It is not really strange at all; and do not add that stinger of wierdness(the strange), which does not apply in any way, shape, or form.

[Stanley]

as a child of three, a child who was so precocious that I could read at a high school level before I was four, and speak at a 10 year old

I don't doubt your intelligence, but this is some serious horn blowing. But, that is OK we all do this sort of thing. However, perhaps you do it differently------- you know------- there is a subtle, but important difference between been a snob with grandiose ideas and someoe who is truly an aristocrat. Perhaps you said it in aristocratic mode. BTW, I don't think this is a stinger.

Of course-- I know about transference. But, I want to elicit a response to Suki. I think it would be nice to reveiew this subject with her.

[Edited by Stanley on 29th July 2003 at 13:17]

[Suki]

There is nothing nice about you Stanley. I think you are an SOB of the first order. Especially how you egged it all on. And you keep thinking I share your burgues mentality. Goes to show how little you know me at all. No, dude I am never going to be burgues. No one in this alienated medium knows someone else truly. I don't trust anyone in here ever. Only one and she knows who she is. All others are people who I will never trust. You most of all.

You keep thinking you and I have some damn connection. We don't. You are some dude dedicated to making money in Maryland and hoping the island gets emptied of ralea so he can go get a vacation spot for cheap. Maybe with a couple of caserio puertorriquenos to cook and clean for him. No, dude I aint ever gonna identify with the burguesia. Never. I was not raised with them. And I had many experiences with them that let me know I won't ever be one of them. Or my mother either. Who wants to be part of a group of people who only think about keeping their own material things and interests up over everything else. When crisis or war hits, all you see them is become puro excremento. Por que nunca tuvieron la fortaleza para entender, que el individuo no vale nada a la larga. Only how one copes with the group and what is best for all, not just one.

I don't care if my house burns down tomorrow or if I lose my job or if I have no money in the bank or if I have to live off scraps. I can live with that if it is necessary Stanley. As long as I know I have my essential values in place. I learned a lot with those FBI years. One being that there is no such thing as free anything if you are not part of the herd mentality. And that socialism is damn effective, otherwise why would they go through the expense and bother (spending money on keeping tabs) on the socialists if what they did, said and lived their values by were not influencing social change on some level? Why even try to talk to you Stanley. You are so damn clueless about economics, and history, and philosophy and so many things. And the worst is you don't care that you are lacking in those areas. You would rather try to pegar some stupid bellon on me or my mother, than actually try to get some basic concepts.

You are not a friend. Your exchanges with Eddie proved that. You think I am some brie burguesa in some place 'slumming' it. What a load of crap!!! I would be slumming it if I was rich and had some 'cushion' to fall back on. I don't have any cushions. I am broke Stanley. My mother's treatments and many other things came first. Lucky my mortgage is less than $600 a month. Otherwise who knows where I would be today? If I was renting some dive, I would have to pay more and I can't afford it. I work full time, got to do my weights and exercises or I get diabetes problems. I have to watch everything I stick in my mouth. I have heavy reads in technical stuff in anth I have to do. I got to cook, and clean and pay bills. And try to get time for others and family. I see this site as a small release. Instead I think it has become purgatory. No one gives a damn about anyone's feelings. And even those who you think might know you. Don't give a damn either, and just become something that discourages. And all you see is disappointment. There are some people in this website who are going through hell right now. And no one is helping they are so wrapped up into projecting their crap on the world that they don't notice anything. You Stanley are supposed running a business? Yet you hang out in here a lot. Writing about women and problems. Making ignorant comments about how many jobs are going to be lost when the Navy leaves Vieques or when military bases are going to be lost. Barriga llena corazon contento stupidity. You want to speculate about my 'fixation' on older men. I have wasted so much emotional energy looking for my dearest Padre. His name was David by the way. He is never going to come back. Mi caminante, no hay camino, se hace camino al andar. If you have any interest in my fragrance of skin line. I wrote that so long ago. In a post in Raul g's General Theorem of Existence thread in Philosophy. Raul pulled it back up, after I reminisced a bit. I find it interesting that Eddie remembered it after such a long time. And took it out of context and mentioned naked sexual relations and stuff. If you read it Stanley. There is no mention of NAKED sexual relations in it. Just sense oriented. I think that stuck in his mind. And in many people's minds. I think it captured a feeling somehow and was memorable. That is it was inappropriate to the theme. Yes. But I was just going off in a tangent. I don't want to do that anymore.

I come in here late at night. The only time I got.

Except for those brave ones who call me. And I meet cara a cara. And finally know who they are. So far I have had perfect luck. They are cool folks. But after some freaky things happening in the open board lately. I don't trust anyone in general.

Dream on Stanley, about how burguesa in denial I am. I know if the system decides to do me in. I won't have any social cultural capital that will bail me out. I will be paddling against the current fastidiada just like every other Juanita Rodriguez and Juan Gonzalez with no money and no social cultural capital out there. My education is not going to bring me money. No philosophy, history or anth majors ever make money or have steady jobs in this society. Even those with the ivory tower credentials. Only the hard tech and profit people who are brokers in the whole scheme of things will. Los demas se hundiran. Plus, I don't want anything to do with that. Those kinds of people are all false. False friends and false values. Phoneys. All of them. Who profess to be your friend. And then plot to hurt people. Don't think I think you Mr. Innocent Stanley. Not after that chisme you threw at me. Like if you know me or my husband or my Yautia. You are a damn fool. I only put up that last post for someone else. And to lay all my emotions about my father to rest. And to acknowledge where all my emotions came out with Ed. It was a purging and a finality. Mi padre David. Mi caminante. Nunca te olvidare.

I don't trust anyone in here. No one. Ever again. Go find some other person to trash Stanley.

Suki.

[Edited by Suki on 29th July 2003 at 06:27]

[Eddier1]

Originally posted by Stanley
as a child of three, a child who was so precocious that I could read at a high school level before I was four, and speak at a 10 year old

I don't doubt your intelligence, but this is some serious horn blowing. But, that is OK we all this sort of thing. However, perhaps you do it differently------- you know------- there is a subtle, but important difference between been a snob with grandiose ideas and someoe who is truly an aristocrat. Perhaps you said it in aristocratic mode. BTW, I don't think this is a stinger.

Of course-- I know about transference. But, I want to elicit a response to Suki. I think it would be nice to reveiew this subject with her.

Ok, yes I said that, but you are taking it out of context. I was touch and go because of the Polio then, and the very instinct for survival, which is on loan to me from the People, kicked in and made it necessary that I could read and speak beyond my years. Often, when in other locations for treatments, I was totally alone; my family had to work; they were both proletarians who worked their entire lives, and only retired thanks to the social security plan put in place by FDR in the thirties. Without that socialist program they would not have had a viable retirement; both lived well into their years, my Mom until see was eighty and my Dad who expired when he was exactly one hundred years old. So you see, I had no intention of expressing my precociousness except to tie all the strings together. Why do you think an intelligent and culturally sophisticated friend of the family would have brought over an old piece of classical music by Devorak, eh? And I mentioned my precociousness only to make it as clear and unequivocable as possible concerning the terrible event of Polio that I was suffering. I had had to respond to doctors and nurses lots and lots, and read to past the time, and thanks to that I zoomed ahead as to literacy and linguistics. It was nothing else that should be interpreted by you unless you got an axe to grind against me because I am a Commie. And that would figure about right; but it makes you look like one sad individual, who doesn't seem to have found happiness in being what you are, dizque, un burguesito Puertorriqueno.

[Stanley]

I had had to respond to doctors and nurses lots and lots, and read to past the time, and thanks to that I zoomed ahead as to literacy and linguistics. It was nothing else that should be interpreted by you unless you got an axe to grind against me because I am a Commie. And that would figure about right; but it makes you look like one sad individual, who doesn't seem to have found happiness in being what you are, dizque, un burguesito Puertorriqueno.

Ed----------- it was a pretty minor stinger as you concluded. I would not put too much thought on that.

Regarding la Burguesía de PR. I have been gone from the isla for many years----- I do not belong to the PR burguesía and like you and Suki I detest those who are comemierdas. As I said----- there is a very fine line between been truly aristocratic and a constipated snob. Most folks in PR are constipated snobs. Trust me, these folks don't do anything for me. I get their crap all the time when I meet them in the states or in PR. The 1st thing they want to know is where I come from and what is my abolengo. I always try to be very vague and hardly say anything, but they insist in researching your background to establish a connection with you. Then they proceed to tell you how they come from such a such family and all the big "fincas" they owned and how they all have the Blanquito Spanish ancestry (even if they don't look it), ect, ect. To be honest, they look like acomplejaos----------- the true aristocratic ones don't say a word about stuff like that. These constipated snobs only show interest in you if they can see some sort of advantage in been your friend. The old I scratch your back and you do mine.

In your estimation I may have burgués traits, but trust me on this one. They are at about the same level as Suki's burguesía.

BTW, Suki is pretty upset with me----- sacó las garras y los colmillos y si me agarra me vá a descuartizar. You may be right---- in a pinch she may go for the jugular.

You and I have equally participated in the postings regarding Suki. Interestingly she only displaced her anger at me even thou we both were equal participants in the discussion. I think we might have gotten too close to the epicenter--- I can tell.

Interestingly apparently her mother tried to blend in with the burguesia.

[Eddier1]

BTW, Suki is pretty upset with me----- sacó las garras y los colmillos y si me agarra me vá a descuartizar. You may be right---- in a pinch she may go for the jugular.

You and I have equally participated in the postings regarding Suki. Interestingly she only displaced her anger at me even thou we both were equal participants in the discussion. I think we might have gotten too close to the epicenter--- I can tell.

Interestingly apparently her mother tried to blend in with the burguesia.



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Well I see now that you burqueses have interfactional disputes also. But that you place yourself at pretty much the same level of being a burquess as Suki is incredible. She has denied vehemently being a burquesa. And you implicitly accepted the post of being an authority on who and who isn't a member of your class. You never denied it. You also are getting forgetful, yes she lambasted you putting you down thoroughly, no doubt about it. But you forget she also already put me down in private chat and email, as well as in the General Personals forum, something also that I can never erase from my memory. I don't have Altzheimer's yet, and I am optimistic I will never get it. However, old you are, you show signs of forgetfulness, and you got to watch that. Ginko Biloba is a very good herb treatment to prevent memory problems; you might benefit from some. Suki might profit from some too, since she claimed that she had a perfect score or result with all the internet acquaintances that she invited to her home in Colorado, and that isn't so. She forgets she told me that Raul_g visited her for a while at her home, and she finally told him, for whatever reasons she never said, that she didn't want to have anything more to do with him. And I noticed on the boards that he never again posted a message to her, or called her on the telephone like he used to. Of course, she pleasantly invited me to visit her too, but I immediately declined because first I use a cane, and visits to distant places are not good for me, and second which she only found out later is that my residence in the US is forced, since for years I cannot go beyond a twenty mile radius from my home without having gov't agents tracking me and walking on my heels, so to speak. And I am too old to put up with that crap anymore. My residency is not the typical residency of other Puerto Ricans, who come and go as they please. Suki has a very low opinion of the Internet and the meeting of minds that takes place on it. She still believes in body language, and how to make friends and influence people. That is all Liberal bullcrap; the internet and direct or biunique relationship between one mind to another is the most important contribution to understanding and peaceful coexistence in the world today. However, Suki is habituated to the old ways, and perhaps at her age is very loathe to change, ALTHOUGH, if she is not kidding us she has showed considerable changes for the better in my estimation. Of course, your pride as a man probably hinders you from accepting that she has made TOAST out of you in her latest. LOL!