I want to improve my English...

[Stanley]

Ed:

I re-read Suki's post. You are right----- I now see that she used insulting remarks such as SOB. In the past she and Yautia had gone thru that route and I had to put a stop to it.

Sure, I likely have some traits of burgués----- this is inevitable. But--- to see Suki here denying her own leanings to la burguesía is ridiculous. And you----- when was the last time you acted like an aristocrat?



Suki:

As I have stated to you and Yautia before I do not like to insult folks if I can avoid it. In particular, I do not like ladies to engage in this type of exchange with me since I was raised to be polite to women. I am going to assume you are a lady and will try to forget the use of that expletive (SOB). I am sure you would not like me to mention your mother in the same light. I know why you are upset------- I have said something that has made you see reality and now you cannot face what is in front of you. In any event, I would like you to raise the quality of your posts to me if you disagree with something.


[Edited by Stanley on 30th July 2003 at 20:31]

[Eddier1]

Sure, I likely have some traits of burgués----- this is inevitable. But--- to see Suki here denying her own leanings to la burguesía is ridiculous. And you----- when was the last time you acted like an aristocrat?
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Honestly, I don't think that I have ever acted like one. All I am points to me as being a 'thinking reed', Perhaps, that is why I rejected being a Platonist, the notion that Plato had of the aristocracy played a central part in that rejection. I have intrinsically always known my place in the proletariat, and if anyone tries to fill my head with such high-falutin' notions of being a member of an aristocratic, divine-rule class; I always halted because I know that I am not qualified to be anything but a freedom-fighting and freedom-loving Commie, such a proletarian I know myself qualified to be!, and I am as a scientific socialist.

[Stanley]

I am not qualified to be anything but a freedom-fighting and freedom-loving Commie, such a proletarian I know myself qualified to be!, and I am as a scientific socialist.

That in itself is either an aristocratic person speaking or a fake wannabe. I don't think you want to be the latter, An aristocrat is the way he is because it comes naturally------- there is no posing and no pretending.

Let me give you an example----------When John McEnroe (famous tennis player) was upset with a call he believed in his heart that he was right and that the line judge was wrong. He was not trying to cheat or cause trouble. In fact, in more than one match he gave points to his opponent if he felt the line judge had made an unjust call. I remember once when his opponent had a double fault called and Mac disagreed with the umpire. To even things out he proceeded to lose the next point on purpose.

An aritocrat could be someone like Prince Charles who is used to eat good food an rejects a bad meal. The act would be truly aristocratic if the food was truly bad. However, if the food is good and he rejects it then he is a funny balloney burgués who wants to appear aristocratic.

Within this context a homeless person with no money could act like an aristocrat whreas a rich powerful man who is full of complejo and insecurities may be nothing more than cheap burguesito. And BTW---- you will find these two characters in communists as well as in capitalists countries.

[Eddier1]

What are you smoking, is it weed, or are you taking some drug that is hallucinatory? If none of the above, then you have written one of the most irrational, antisocial, and convoluted posts that I have ever read from you. That would make you an individual who is 'totalmente jodido' in mind, spirit, and class consciousness. If you think that aristocrats can't be pretentious, hypocritical, and unsufferable bores and spoiled to the core, then you don't know their history at all. King George of England during the time of the American revolution was not only that, but he also suffered from one of those special diseases of the mind that aristocrats get, called purpura; and then look at the snobby perra Marie Antonette who told the masses to eat cake if they didn't have bread, and ordered the palace guards to throw the representatives of the People out into the street and shut the gates on them forever. You simply are a very confused individual when you can't take any of us COMMIES as genuine anything. Now, you got some delusion that I am an aristocrat and that a tennis player was one too. You are going to go out of your mind if you keep up with that mierda. And look at your buddy Maitreya, Another Rican, he has accused Jaga, supreme-supreme aka Jaga Sucia of being Suki. Perhaps, you too, should be "basked in human excrement" like Jaga suggests until you quit your nonsense and lunacy like the Maitreyas aforementioned. Hombre, but you sure have deep psychological issues.

[Stanley]

Ed:

I know the post sounds radical, but obviously you are using the common pejorative meaning of the word Aristocrat. However an Aristocrat can also be described as:

One who is overbearing in his temper or habits; a proud or haughty person.

And this sort of describes you and John McEnroe. I understand why you feel offended, but this is how you come accross. No need to be upset--- you stated in another post that you admired these qualities in McCarthy even thou you did not see eye to eye with him. I know that calling you an Aristocrat is even worse than suggesting that yu have Burgues traits, but I did not mean to offend you. It is just a thought. For example Fidel Castro comes accross as an aristocrat

BTW, Suki is not aristocratic at all--------Como la vez??

[Eddier1]

Originally posted by Stanley
Ed:

I know the post sounds radical, but obviously you are using the common pejorative meaning of the word Aristocrat. However an Aristocrat can also be described as:

One who is overbearing in his temper or habits; a proud or haughty person.

And this sort of describes you and John McEnroe. I understand why you feel offended, but this is how you come accross. No need to be upset--- you stated in another post that you admired these qualities in McCarthy even thou you did not see eye to eye with him. I know that calling you an Aristocrat is even worse than suggesting that yu have Burgues traits, but I did not mean to offend you. It is just a thought. For example Fidel Castro comes accross as an aristocrat

BTW, Suki is not aristocratic at all--------Como la vez??

Holy Smoke!!!, Stan, now you think I respected Joseph McCarthy because he was an "aristocrat". No it was not that at all; I mentioned, of course, that he was inducted into the Knights of Columbus, and that gave him an official status as an aristocrat, so I won't knock that. What Machine-Gun Joe of the Bomber Squardrons did in peppering the hell out of the Messerschmidts and Stuka dive bombers also gave credence to him as a true Knight, and I don't deny that at all. But what was respected by me as a warrior, was his effectivness against fascism, and what was loathed by me was his turning on us commies, who were his allies against the axis of evil forces in WWII, and going hell bent for our jugulars,too. Now, on the cultural side of his Catholicism he impressed me with his deep faith and obedience to his conscience in using his religious principles against what he, the Pope, and the Mother Church called "Godless communism". OTOH, I never had his faith, and realized that anything beyond the limits of my human understanding was 'NOTHING' to me. So I too obeyed my conscience and refused to be a hypocrite and say that I believed in something called divine that I perceived to be nothing to me. Note carefully, that I based a lot of this on what I repeatedly emphasized as the limitations or the boundries of my human understanding. How the hell then can you say I am: "One who is overbearing in his temper or habits; a proud or haughty person."? Geez, I admit that I don't know everything, and that I can NEVER know everything. Isn't that humility on my part? I am not a 'sabelotodo' like the evil Maitreyas, who call me all types of vile names, and track all my posts whereever I go like they are obsessed with me as their worst nightmare! As for Suki, I have said more than enough, and know that she may yet post more to you about your reactions to her blistering post that turned you into TOAST. Or then again, she might never write to you again, as she stopped writing to Raul_g, for whatever reasons she had to do that. Only time will tell....

[Stanley]

One who is overbearing in his temper or habits; a proud or haughty person

I still think the above is not a pejorative. For example this could be applied to tough coach or teacher in school. Many great leaders have this quality. We are talking about someone who has principles that are never bent in any other direction. In his prime McEnroe was the genius of his craft---tennis, therefore he could not tolerate mediocrity. That in itself is a form of aristocracy.

What was the deal with Raul?

Why would Suki only be upset with me and not with you? It is clear we had an equal participation in the dissection of her mind set. Would you admit that she has you in a very high pedestal?