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Old 2nd August 2003, 17:46
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As a Provacador I am nothing more than a minor leaguer compared to the members of this forum. Maybe I have been inoculated with the provocador virus in PR.com.


In any event- please accept my apologies for having induced Ed into discussing with me his relationship with you.

I hope your plans for adoption go well. HAve you exhausted other methods to have children? I assume there must be an inferility problem in either you or your husband. Did you have a medical evaluation? Was Papotito evaluated?
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Old 2nd August 2003, 18:39
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To be very honest. It is none of anyone's business. What I can say, is that the doctors don't think there is any physical problem wrong. Both of us are fertile. Supposedly. But, who knows? I don't. And I don't care if I become a mother whether it be through adoption or biologically. I consider either way legitimate means to becoming a parent. When I was younger, I was so busy. Getting an education and working. And we lived on a tiny budget. My husband many years ago did not speak a word of English. Now he does, but prefers writing in Spanish only. He is currently enrolled in a writing course through the computer and is writing again. I think he misses acting and doing theater. I want him to join a local community theater group again. And he has a bachelor's degree from El Sagrado, but in Spanish. He loved theater and did acting for years, plays the piano, writes poetry. Has zero business acumen, and is great with children, old people, and is as my freind Laura calls him "es pan de Dios". He also has a strong masculine streak that I quite like. He comes back from the basketball court many times with stories of peleas (which I don't approve of), all that machismo. Lol. He has so many interests. He takes Aikido, and is an open-minded individual. He always calls me at work once in the morning to make sure I got there okay with no accidents. Lol. And before leaving to see when I will be coming home, or if I will stop at the YMCA to do exercise or something. He is very happy with the idea of parenthood. We have to take a battery of tests. Physical and psychological, write biographies, pass criminal background checks, have many letters of recommendation of our characters from people who have known us for ten years or more. Marriage certificate, birth certificate, immigration applications and fees. Social worker interviews. So many things. But one of the top officials in Mexico, already met us. And she asked my husband and I many many questions. And let us know she thinks we have the right profile. My husband was adopted too. And I think he will understand the changes. I was shocked at the racism against Indian ancestry and culture children in the gov't agencies for adoption there. No one wants kids from Indian cultures and are looking for white, blonde, blue eyed kids. Even the official told us we were tall, light skinned 'extranjeros' and wouldn't we want a nice 'mestizo' or 'guero' child? Estan locos. I don't care about that. All I want is a healthy child who I can raise with love and discipline and lots of opportunities for growth. And if the kid is indian--the better. I can explain many cultural things about mesoamerica to the child, I studied and lived there for many years. Plus, I hope to move eventually and raise my family somewhere in Latin America eventually. That is where my head and heart are anyway. It does not matter other people's opinions about my life anymore Stanley. One must live one's life. And let others do their thing. With no attachments. It took me forever to accept Papi never coming back. I was so attached to him, because I talked to him every day. Knew him so well. He was soooo open emotionally and intellectually and as my husband said, 'las queria a ustedes mas que su propia vida.' He was my best friend, and my father. And I will never forget him. I can't. I remember the thousands upon thousands of days we had together. Always together. My problem was not having enough time with him. It was the opposite. I knew him so well, and he was part of my daily life until age 33 when he died on me. He is as much a part of who I am as a vital organ. Like my husband is today, and when you lose someone like that. That close to you. It takes quite a while to accept their absence.
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Old 2nd August 2003, 20:43
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You are correct about one thing---------- adopted children are no different than biological kids. If I had adopted I would not have noted a difference.

SO that explains your trips to Mexico--------

Did you nknow that women in thier 30s are less fertile than in their 20s. And you are correct--- there may not be anything wrong------- it is just that at that age it takes a little more work. My 1st four kids were born when my wife was in her 20s and it was pretty much effortless to get her preganant. Our last came when she was in her 30s--------- I remember we planned that one because we were still young and missed having an infant. By them, my youngest was nine and not a baby anymore. My oldest was 17 years old and thought we were nuts for having more kids. In any event she did not get pregnant as easy as she did in her 20s. I had to put in a good effort and tried several times.

Couples that delay pregnancy until they are in their late 30s is very common nowadays due to the fact that folks want careers, advanced education, and things like that. I have also noted that as soon as couples make a decision to adopt they get rid of the stress and before you know there is a pregnancy. Are you stressed over this? DO you think Papotito may be weak in that department? It takes a lot of energy to play basketball-- I should know--- I used to play regularly until I was 43. It was a great exercise and IMO more entertaining than golf.

As for the fights------- I also noted that when I played basketball there was always a little guy in the court with a Napoleonic complex who was too aggressive. Ask your husband-------- the little aggressive guys are the ones who want to fight--- the tall men are not like that. There is also the culture of the game and some aggression is allowed. However, there is also a lot of comraderie in the game--- I really miss it.


In any event I hope everything goes well and if Papotito needs any tips I will be happy to write to him in Spanish. Maybe he is doing something wrong----- who knows?
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Old 10th August 2003, 19:25
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Ed:

Do you think it was too personal to ask Suki about her plans of adoption and pregnancy?

I have seen no answer and I worry------- maybe I was too entrometío.
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Old 23rd August 2003, 06:43
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Gracias Suki por recordar al brigadista que me fui de vacaciones. Parece ser que este Eddier se entera de menos de lo que pensaba. Creo que dejé bien claro que me iba, y por eso me despedí de todos, como bien ha señalado la Suuuuuuuuki. Pero tu a tu bola como siempre, tachando de "bloody coward" y no se qué historias. Como buen agente de la Commintern que estás hecho tu habilidad para moldear la realidad y presentarla a tu antojo no tiene nada que envidiar a la del ministro de información iraquí. Buen bicho estás hecho.

Me he leído los mensajes desde que me fuí, eso sí, en lectura diagonal, porque sino creo que me iba a dar un infarto cerebral entre tanto análisis del erotismo de Suki, tanto perfil astrológico de los escorpios y tantas difamaciones del abuelete.

Espero que al menos el asalariado de Moscú me permita un breve turno de réplica, y que se lo lea entero. Lo primero de todo: la expresión "vamos apañaos" es algo así como decir "vamos buenos" o "la que nos espera". Decir que vamos apañaos si la solución a la baja natalidad en España pasa por depositar las esperanzas en Eddier y sus compis es simplemente tener pocas esperanzas en la solución. Suki, yo creo que más que machismo español es lógica aristotélica.

También te montas una historia tremenda, mi rojete amigo, con no sé que de la "e" y la "y", y que si le he mandado un mensaje a Suki para que te corrija. Me alegra ver que a pesar de no haber accedido a la nacionalidad española, el espíritu quijotesco haya calado en tu cosmovisión, y que te dediques a ver gigantes en donde no hay más que molinos de viento. Medida (la de la nacionalidad) que me parece ridícula y que criticaré independientemente de que sea mi gobierno el que la haya promovido. Tan absurdo como si hubiera sido al revés y se hubiera concedido a los CTV italianos: premiar con la nacionalidad española a unos extranjeros que vinieron a matar a españoles implica que el gobierno, lejos de cerrar heridas, somete a la mitad de los españoles a la humillación de ver como se agasaja y se alaba a los que intentaron matar, y muchas veces mataron, a sus padres o abuelos. Que un gobierno español constitucional caiga en estas vergonzosas actuaciones es algo que escapa de toda ética. Y que esta actitud haya sido aprobada por un gobierno de derechas sólo se explica por el complejo patológico de la derecha española, incapaz de levantar la cabeza ante la brutal campaña de manipulación histórica de la progresía y el nacionalismo separatista.

También haces una alusión en determinado momento a una característica española de una supuesta imposición. Me encantaría que explicases mejor esto, porque me parece que confundes la imposición con la serie de sucesos lógicos que surgían en la edad moderna tras el encuentro de dos civilizaciones, en la que la más avanzada influía en la menos avanzada. Y te lo digo yo desde España, que ha protagonizado el fenómeno desde los dos roles (Imperio Romano). Me encantaría que comparases esa supuesta imposición con la de otros imperios emergentes contemporaneos al español, como el británico. Y por último, si lo asocias con fenómenos como la inquisición no haces más que hacerte eco de la Leyenda Negra de Guillermo de Orange que ha sido desmentida ya suficientemente como para seguir con chorradas de esas. La Inquisición no tenía ningún tipo de competencia sobre los no católicos, y era un tribunal que vigilaba el cumplimiento de la Fe, y no tenía jurisdicción alguna sobre aquellos que profesaban otra religión, por lo que difícilmente podía imponer nada. Y comparada con otro tribunales europeos del momento, la Inquisición se presenta como un tribunal prácticamente inactivo y sumamente misericordioso.

Por cierto, antes de ir a la costa estuve en el pueblo viejo de Belchite. No sé si te sonará, pero allí se libró una de las batallas más crudas de la guerras. Fue escalofriante.

Stan: ¿cómo va todo? Abolengo efectivamente es una palabra española como bien decías. Sinónimo de ascendencia: "de noble abolengo", "de humilde abolengo"... Será derivada de "abuelo". Espero que despues de este comentario no empiece otra vez el rojete a tacharme de lingüista de la Real Academia o no sé qué paranoias que contaba. Intento ayudar con el español con lo que sé. PUNTO.

¡Saludos a Yautia también!
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Old 23rd August 2003, 20:14
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Que te pasa, cidito barato? Despues de este tiempo largo en que no postulaba, has tirado un "fojung" de tamano kilometrico en este foro. Hablando primero a la Suki, y despues a mi, y despues a Stanley, no vale; es solamente un embrujo emocional tuyo. Si deseas platicar con cada uno de nosotros, haganos la cortesia de escribir postulados individuales a cada uno de nosotros.

EddieR,
PD: Y si, yo soy cuidadano Norteamericano y cuidadano Espanol, por imposicion los dos. Es decir, que tengo cuidadania doble, y ahora voy a una en que uno tiene que hacer aplicacion por ella. Es la cuidadania Puertorriquena, hecho viable por el Honorable Camarada Juan Mari Bras por via de la Tribunal de Justicia Suprema de Puerto Rico.
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Old 25th August 2003, 07:29
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Creía que quizás despues del veranito ibas a estar un poco más fresco de ideas, pero se me cae el alma al suelo al contemplar la cruda realidad. Lamento constatar que sigues viendo gigantes donde sólo hay molinos.

Creo que he dejado bien claro que el gobierno OFRECIÓ (NO IMPUSO) la nacionalidad española a los ancianos agentes de moscú que por aquí puluraron. Teniendo en cuenta esto, dos posibilidades:

1) Si tienes la nacionalidad española es porque la aceptaste y la pediste, por lo que no ahí no hay imposición por ningún lado.

2) Que no tengas nacionalidad española, y todo esto sea una bola de las tuyas y que sigas con tus mentiras y falsificaciones patológicas que llevan adornando tus mensajes desde que llevas dirigiéndote a mí.

Me imagino que eso de tienes la nacionalidad española impuesta junto a la estadounidense quedará muy bonito para presentarte con un pobre explotado imperialista, del imperio viejo y el nuevo, y todas esas cosas que tanto te gustan. Pero desde luego poco credibilidad das a lo de la imposición norteamericana si por la imposición española entiendes que a un ofrecimiento que se te hizo dijiste que sí. Flaco favor haces a los indepentistas estableciendo ese concepto de imposición.

Si eres español tendrás un documento nacional de identidad. ¿Cuantas letras y números hay, y en que orden, mi querido asesor de viajes siberianos?

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