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Old 12th March 2001, 19:44
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Yes they are but......

Mari,

How are you? I hope good. Mari you are right, we are all Americans, currently. That can change in a snap the political status of Puerto Rico is not yet definite nor define. We are Americans, but we are also Puertorricans and I do not mean in the sense as or like Georgia State or NY state. We are still considered sort of a Nation since we represent Puerto Rico alone in the Olympics or Miss Universe and we do not or cannot vote for the USA President. This situation can change very soon, in fact, we are more likely to become a Republic than a 51st State as many would like. The Political machine in Washignton is faced with this great dilema and they have no idea how to resolve it none, they only have money and political power options. Those options only favor Republic or Libertad for the Island. The point is that either we get by our own (maintaining our dignity) or we get dumped in a humiliated form and those are our options.
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Old 23rd March 2001, 17:46
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I believe that we let identity issues get the best of us. It's like teenagers from wherever, trying to find whom they are in this world. We sort of teach our kids to define themselves, but that's all we can do. They ultimately make their own runs in life and that is crucial enough.

What I can't figure out is why does it seem so important that PR maintains it's own national team on the olympics, or a sole representative for the ms universe contest, when there are bigger needs like, better hospitals, education. Those I believe are the real issues that ought to be tackled instead of focusing on some kind of status symbol. However, while people in PR continue to be brain washed about the bad things that would result if PR became a state, this debate will continue. My God, look at Hawwai. Those folks are just as proud of being who they are regardless of their current political status.

Yeah, the Independentistas fight a noble cause but in reality I don't hear to many of them volunteering to recojer el cafe del monte adentro.

So don't be cutting Uncle Sam's legs yet. There had been much progress since Munoz Marin stated this relationship.
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Old 26th March 2001, 12:35
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What I cant figure out is why National issues are so non important to most PR's. Its funny cause you go to the island, you hear complaints about theres too many Dominicans or my favorite... "el eh de por alla" Then theres complaints about the Navy. Statehooders are quick to complain about how things are in the present... Will some food stamps keep you quiet? Or better yet, lets keep bombing the shi#% out of you. How bout we impose citizenship so you can fight in the front lines. Maybe well just crush any notion of independence by turning one against the other (just like Colt 45, divide and conquer... works every time) Lets create labels for these people. Communist... ingrate. After all Ive done for you. Hey, I have an idea... lets shower the island with welfare... that'll destroy any work ethic. Que bueno vivir asi, comiendo sin trabajar! Well write songs about it! Whatdya say! Keep the whore begging for more.


OOO I want to be you, Oh please can I be with you? Statehood is like a whore who wants her rent paid...


Whew... that was a good tension release

In all seriousness, dont you find it apalling that YOUR issues (I mean the residents) are not in YOUR control. What will you do if (and when) Congress grants independence. Why is it that there is no vote on the part of US citizens and US Ricans on this neverending issue? Over here in NY we are constantly bombarded with media coverage fo the Middle East crisis and Spring Training! (METS WILL RISE AGAIN)... point being is that YOUR issue means almost nothing. I've read many posts by alot of members. Some have been enlightening (conciencia, Miranda) Others have been just sad at how complacent the 46% of island residents are. Ive heard it before... "you dont live on the island, what have you done to make Puerto Rico a better place?" The answer is simple... its actually a question. What CAN you do? No matter what is said and done the fate rests not in the hands of a Puerto Rican. I hope you will have an open mind if you respond. Im pretty sure you will
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Old 28th March 2001, 13:06
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The problem is, where is the Puertorrican people that care

Philly and Eggo,

I can not difuse your reality statements, but the issues presented by EGGO are misleading since currently we annexed with USA and look ate the current conditions of our hospitals, and other areas. Education is not that bad compared to other Nations around us but it can be improved. Eggo if we have no identity we are nobody, what reasons do you have to live if there is no country, flag or pride. A humanbeing always needs to find itself and belong to something that is not Taboo it is reality. We still have a chance to become a country by our own means and not by being dumb by the USA( that would be a shame). Philly we all are not stamp or under welfare, most of us work hard really hard, the other most takes the federal help and also work hard too, no difference. We Rican American have the same right as the one who live in the Island no difference. We can actually help even more for any cause Puertorricans may persue since our influence here is powerful. We can also as Rican Americans open corporations in PR to help even more our people. We have that much power and we should employ it.
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Old 28th May 2001, 17:34
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Old 27th November 2001, 20:25
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Old 28th November 2001, 04:20
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What I cant figure out is why National issues are so non important to most PR's. Its funny cause you go to the island, you hear complaints about theres too many Dominicans or my favorite... "el eh de por alla" Then theres complaints about the Navy. Statehooders are quick to complain about how things are in the present... Will some food stamps keep you quiet? Or better yet, lets keep bombing the shi#% out of you. How bout we impose citizenship so you can fight in the front lines. Maybe well just crush any notion of independence by turning one against the other (just like Colt 45, divide and conquer... works every time) Lets create labels for these people. Communist... ingrate. After all Ive done for you. Hey, I have an idea... lets shower the island with welfare... that'll destroy any work ethic. Que bueno vivir asi, comiendo sin trabajar! Well write songs about it! Whatdya say! Keep the whore begging for more.


OOO I want to be you, Oh please can I be with you? Statehood is like a whore who wants her rent paid...


Whew... that was a good tension release

In all seriousness, dont you find it apalling that YOUR issues (I mean the residents) are not in YOUR control. What will you do if (and when) Congress grants independence. Why is it that there is no vote on the part of US citizens and US Ricans on this neverending issue? Over here in NY we are constantly bombarded with media coverage fo the Middle East crisis and Spring Training! (METS WILL RISE AGAIN)... point being is that YOUR issue means almost nothing. I've read many posts by alot of members. Some have been enlightening (conciencia, Miranda) Others have been just sad at how complacent the 46% of island residents are. Ive heard it before... "you dont live on the island, what have you done to make Puerto Rico a better place?" The answer is simple... its actually a question. What CAN you do? No matter what is said and done the fate rests not in the hands of a Puerto Rican. I hope you will have an open mind if you respond. Im pretty sure you will

?Como que temas del politico no son importante a nosotros? Primero, se que tu no eres Boricua. Se nota mucho que tu no eres de la Isla. Eres un disparatero sinverguenza que se encuentra por un nivel mas bajito que una cucaracha. «Aquel que no esta orgulloso de su origen nunca valdra nada, pues empieza por despreciarse a si mismo » y eso es tu problema mi pobre cucarachita. ?Los temas politicos no son importantes a nosotros ? Pero ?Que clase disparate eso? Cuando eso mas se habla en esta pagina de red de cualquier otro tema. Hay mas postulados e hilos por el foro de politico que hay en cualquier foro aqui en puertorico.com. Ahy pero !Que clase Sangano ! Lo dices, pero no lo sabes. ?Y que? Tu te crees que las bombas que le tiran a Vieques, que eso es algo de reirse, lo siento mucho del alma, pero si se me diera la maravillosa oportunidad de verte cara a cara, te mataria sin pensarlo ni dos veces. En serio. No es broma. Te lo juro ante el cielo. Eres una falta de respeto total, no me molestaria sacarte del mundo. Eres una basura que peste a m*****. Y el unico ingrato aqui sera tu. ?Y que ? ?Tu te crees que debemos ser agradecidos por haber sido una colonia tel tirano. Si, gracias a los Estados Unidos por tirarnos bombas, por violar a nuestras mujeres, gracias por los anos de esclavitud, gracias por destruir el ambiente de Culebra y Vieques, gracias por todas las atrocidades que nos han hecho, si gracias por todo eso. Tu lo que eres es un desgraciao’ sin madre. ?Como puedes decir cosas asi de nosotros, mejor que la proxima vez te quedaras quieto. Respeta, si no, !Maceta!!Despues de todo que nos han hecho ellos ! !No me j**** ! Y esa cancion del Gran Combo que cantas como un Bugarronsito, no es de un tipo solicitando cupones, es de un tipo que se retiro y esta recibiendo cheques de social seguridad despues de trabajar tanto en su vida y eso se merece cualquier tipo que gana la vida. Otra vez, lo dices y no lo sabes. Y esa de jineteria que hablas, de la puta pidiendo mas, no debes hablar de tu madre asi, frente el publico, aunque se vea mucho que tu eres un hijo de gran p***. Eso sera uno de los razones por que estas tan amargao.’ Porque tu mama llevo una vida de jineteria. Pero que clase puta sera si ella le dio la luz a tal desgraciao como tu. Debia tener un aborto, porque eres un muerto de hambre que no sirve pa’ nada, y estoy seguro que tu jeva te dice lo mismo, por eso ella se pone a jinetear tambien como tu mama para pagar las cuentas de la casa y para sentirse mujer porque no puede con un poco hombre como tu.


Whew… eso fue un buen alivio de tension. (Bugarron, te cojo pa’lla pa’ la perla y te dejo balao’)


?Que haremos cuando el congreso nos de nuestra libertad? !Sangano ! Me imagino que seriamos libres entonces !Imbecil ! Uno no tiene que ser un cientifico de cohete para saber eso. Eso de votar esta controlado del tirano. Cuantas veces les dijimos que no a la estatidad. Ellos son brutos que nos controlan, el mundo se esta cansando ya de eso, y por eso los mandaron dos aviones para tumbar sus torres gemelas. A c***** con los Estados Unidos y a c**** contigo y tu madre y su jineteria. Y deja que tu veas, van a implosionar toda la ciudad de Nueva York, y despues que no se quejen, porque han hecho atrocidades aun mas peor al mundo y sus habitantes. Y tarde o temprano te cobran la cuenta. Y eso de nuestro tema no significa nada a ustedes, a pues, se sabe bien como hace el diablo tirano USA escondiendo sus maldades. Y mira pa’lla, depues de acabar con los torres gemelas, ustedes todavia piesan que son el centro de universo. !Pero que vaina ! Sera, por eso que todo el mundo odia a ustedes. Todos son descarao’s. Y ya lo sabe todo el mundo. !Que clase hipocritas son los Estadounidenses ! Y ustedes piensan ?por que nosotros les quitamos la lengua por el cuello y les sacamos el cocopelao’? cuando intentan de parandear sueltos por aqui en Puerto Rico. Si yo lo confieso, te haria asi mismo si se me diera la oportunidad de encontrarte aqui en Puerto Rico de vacaciones. Ahy, en MI Viejo San Juan, cuantas turistas tumbe. No juego. Esto es en serio, no es de broma. Sigue durmiendo de ese lado, Espero que te cojan un dia por aqui como han cogido tu madre p******. Por eso no sabes quien es tu padre porque tu madre se acostaba con todos !Pero clase jineteria!. Anda pa’l cara’ que se acabo lo que se daba. Chupate eso y te mando el otro.


Borikeneando y Blindando,
El Nene de Puertorro, Defendiendo a Borinquen y Cuba

!QUE VIVA PUERTO RICO LIBRE! PATRIA O MUERTE



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