The American Puerto Rican

[Patria_y_LaPava]

Originally posted by Eggo
I believe that we let identity issues get the best of us....

Identity is very important to define the uniqueness of a culture and its people, if someone cannot understand that, I figure they have a lack of identity, and that is colonialism for you...

Originally posted by Eggo
...when there are bigger needs like, better hospitals, education. Those I believe are the real issues that ought to be tackled instead of focusing on some kind of status symbol....Yeah, the Independentistas fight a noble cause but in reality I don't hear to many of them volunteering to recojer el cafe del monte adentro....

In a way you are right! Although, pretty much of the everyday lives of Boricuas on the island goes the way it is, is because of our political status which will affect everything from education to medical treatment, but not all of it. The government of PR is also crucial in this, and we could become a state and be a state for 50 years without any progress, and the same for independence, if we dont have the govt. and people working together to better eachother lives, and that will not be easy.

Still, there are so many individuals that get caught up only on the political status and politics and believe that the change of the political status of PR will be the only time that we can focus on the problems of PR. Again, even though local govt. and political status are important in combating the local problems of PR, there are things such as community service and non-profit organizations and education that could be done while establishing a political party. Dont reach so high so quickly, start slow and gain the confidence of your people by helping them out before trying to achieve political power....

Originally posted by Eggo
However, while people in PR continue to be brain washed about the bad things that would result if PR became a state, this debate will continue. My God, look at Hawwai. Those folks are just as proud of being who they are regardless of their current political status.

I hope PR's get "brainwashed" on how PR statehood will ultimately kill our people and economy, because it is true! As well, the truth is that many native and "pure" blooded Hawaiians who were there before any American settlers arrived and never fully intergrated with the colonizer, but just took in their influence as a separate people, want independence. Many native Hawaiians cant even afford their own land and the USA Navy bombed a sacred island of Hawaii for many years and it took the Hawaiins 30 years to remove the Navy from that island, and the clean up has still not been completed. Their identity, they are proud of, but it is just for Casino entnertainment for the settlers that, sadly, make up the majority of the islands.

Originally posted by Eggo
....There had been much progress since Munoz Marin stated this relationship.

That is still undergoing great arguement, even though our standard of living rose because of him, (actually, it was more like his friend and aid, Teodoro Moscoso) PR has become more dependent economically, and brainwashed socially on and by the USA, and that needs to be fixed!

[conciencia]

Subiendo

[RepublicadePR]

Originally posted by Eggo
I believe that we let identity issues get the best of us. It's like teenagers from wherever, trying to find whom they are in this world. We sort of teach our kids to define themselves, but that's all we can do. They ultimately make their own runs in life and that is crucial enough.

What I can't figure out is why does it seem so important that PR maintains it's own national team on the olympics, or a sole representative for the ms universe contest, when there are bigger needs like, better hospitals, education. Those I believe are the real issues that ought to be tackled instead of focusing on some kind of status symbol. However, while people in PR continue to be brain washed about the bad things that would result if PR became a state, this debate will continue. My God, look at Hawwai. Those folks are just as proud of being who they are regardless of their current political status.

Yeah, the Independentistas fight a noble cause but in reality I don't hear to many of them volunteering to recojer el cafe del monte adentro.

So don't be cutting Uncle Sam's legs yet. There had been much progress since Munoz Marin stated this relationship.

Eggo, you make a common mistake most statehooders make, and that is to oversimplify the struggle for independence and selfdetermination. There is a large amount of detail involved that influence our current status and our refusal to adopt independence, most of it centered around persecution, lies, and control.

I would suggest you do something, I can guarantee by your coments that you've NEVER done before, and that is to learn what the independence points, plans, ideas, and it's history, and then we can argue the finer points, on polítical stability, programs, and citizenship.

Arguin about "recogiendo café", or that we'll be like other "republicas" is clearly a sign that you lack the cultivating of basic knowledge on economics, politics, and social sciences.

Saludos desde la isla del encanto.

[RepublicadePR]

Originally posted by nene787

?Como que temas del politico no son importante a nosotros? Primero, se que tu no eres Boricua. Se nota mucho que tu no eres de la Isla. Eres un disparatero sinverguenza que se encuentra por un nivel mas bajito que una cucaracha. «Aquel que no esta orgulloso de su origen nunca valdra nada, pues empieza por despreciarse a si mismo » y eso es tu problema mi pobre cucarachita. ?Los temas politicos no son importantes a nosotros ? Pero ?Que clase disparate eso? Cuando eso mas se habla en esta pagina de red de cualquier otro tema. Hay mas postulados e hilos por el foro de politico que hay en cualquier foro aqui en puertorico.com. Ahy pero !Que clase Sangano ! Lo dices, pero no lo sabes. ?Y que? Tu te crees que las bombas que le tiran a Vieques, que eso es algo de reirse, lo siento mucho del alma, pero si se me diera la maravillosa oportunidad de verte cara a cara, te mataria sin pensarlo ni dos veces. En serio. No es broma. Te lo juro ante el cielo. Eres una falta de respeto total, no me molestaria sacarte del mundo. Eres una basura que peste a m*****. Y el unico ingrato aqui sera tu. ?Y que ? ?Tu te crees que debemos ser agradecidos por haber sido una colonia tel tirano. Si, gracias a los Estados Unidos por tirarnos bombas, por violar a nuestras mujeres, gracias por los anos de esclavitud, gracias por destruir el ambiente de Culebra y Vieques, gracias por todas las atrocidades que nos han hecho, si gracias por todo eso. Tu lo que eres es un desgraciao’ sin madre. ?Como puedes decir cosas asi de nosotros, mejor que la proxima vez te quedaras quieto. Respeta, si no, !Maceta!!Despues de todo que nos han hecho ellos ! !No me j**** ! Y esa cancion del Gran Combo que cantas como un Bugarronsito, no es de un tipo solicitando cupones, es de un tipo que se retiro y esta recibiendo cheques de social seguridad despues de trabajar tanto en su vida y eso se merece cualquier tipo que gana la vida. Otra vez, lo dices y no lo sabes. Y esa de jineteria que hablas, de la puta pidiendo mas, no debes hablar de tu madre asi, frente el publico, aunque se vea mucho que tu eres un hijo de gran p***. Eso sera uno de los razones por que estas tan amargao.’ Porque tu mama llevo una vida de jineteria. Pero que clase puta sera si ella le dio la luz a tal desgraciao como tu. Debia tener un aborto, porque eres un muerto de hambre que no sirve pa’ nada, y estoy seguro que tu jeva te dice lo mismo, por eso ella se pone a jinetear tambien como tu mama para pagar las cuentas de la casa y para sentirse mujer porque no puede con un poco hombre como tu.


Whew… eso fue un buen alivio de tension. (Bugarron, te cojo pa’lla pa’ la perla y te dejo balao’)


?Que haremos cuando el congreso nos de nuestra libertad? !Sangano ! Me imagino que seriamos libres entonces !Imbecil ! Uno no tiene que ser un cientifico de cohete para saber eso. Eso de votar esta controlado del tirano. Cuantas veces les dijimos que no a la estatidad. Ellos son brutos que nos controlan, el mundo se esta cansando ya de eso, y por eso los mandaron dos aviones para tumbar sus torres gemelas. A c***** con los Estados Unidos y a c**** contigo y tu madre y su jineteria. Y deja que tu veas, van a implosionar toda la ciudad de Nueva York, y despues que no se quejen, porque han hecho atrocidades aun mas peor al mundo y sus habitantes. Y tarde o temprano te cobran la cuenta. Y eso de nuestro tema no significa nada a ustedes, a pues, se sabe bien como hace el diablo tirano USA escondiendo sus maldades. Y mira pa’lla, depues de acabar con los torres gemelas, ustedes todavia piesan que son el centro de universo. !Pero que vaina ! Sera, por eso que todo el mundo odia a ustedes. Todos son descarao’s. Y ya lo sabe todo el mundo. !Que clase hipocritas son los Estadounidenses ! Y ustedes piensan ?por que nosotros les quitamos la lengua por el cuello y les sacamos el cocopelao’? cuando intentan de parandear sueltos por aqui en Puerto Rico. Si yo lo confieso, te haria asi mismo si se me diera la oportunidad de encontrarte aqui en Puerto Rico de vacaciones. Ahy, en MI Viejo San Juan, cuantas turistas tumbe. No juego. Esto es en serio, no es de broma. Sigue durmiendo de ese lado, Espero que te cojan un dia por aqui como han cogido tu madre p******. Por eso no sabes quien es tu padre porque tu madre se acostaba con todos !Pero clase jineteria!. Anda pa’l cara’ que se acabo lo que se daba. Chupate eso y te mando el otro.


Borikeneando y Blindando,
El Nene de Puertorro, Defendiendo a Borinquen y Cuba

!QUE VIVA PUERTO RICO LIBRE! PATRIA O MUERTE



[Edited by Leticia_g on 29th November 2001 at 03:02]

Tranquilo bobi, tranquilo...soy independentista, pero la ignorancia no se combate con insultos.

[FULANODETAL]

Republica-
yo se que estabas respondiendo a un individuo que evidentemente no sabe de que habla. Pero te pasastes por la linea y manchastes la designacion de independentista. Hablando de una forma vulgar y sucia te desacredita.

Por lo general el independentista quiere lavantare altamente sus valores. Pero tu forma de argmentar le da mas impulso al estadista. Frena tu forma broder.

[Suki]

Fulano,
Rep de PR did not write all that stuff. That was El NENE 787, CAN'T you read that he quoted El Nene, Rep de PR did not say that. You don't read with care and assume again.

[JaneMas]