Evil: A Dangerous Paradox

[Joshue]

What is Evil?
Is an actual force of nature, or an interpretation of an experience judge after a moral reflection?

What is it?

According to dictionary.com:
1. morally wrong or bad; immoral; wicked: evil deeds; an evil life.
2. harmful; injurious: evil laws.
3. characterized or accompanied by misfortune or suffering; unfortunate; disastrous: to be fallen on evil days.
4. due to actual or imputed bad conduct or character: an evil reputation.
5. marked by anger, irritability, irascibility, etc.: He is known for his evil disposition.
–noun 6. that which is evil; evil quality, intention, or conduct: to choose the lesser of two evils.
7. the force in nature that governs and gives rise to wickedness and sin.
8. the wicked or immoral part of someone or something: The evil in his nature has destroyed the good.
9. harm; mischief; misfortune: to wish one evil.
10. anything causing injury or harm: Tobacco is considered by some to be an evil.
11. a harmful aspect, effect, or consequence: the evils of alcohol.
12. a disease, as king's evil.
–adverb 13. in an evil manner; badly; ill: It went evil with him.
—Idiom14. the evil one, the devil; Satan.

The fact that there are so many definitions means that there is no consensus. This explain A LOOOOOT OF WHY MANKIND BEHAVE SO BRUTALLY AND VIOLENT

wikipedia
A fundamental question is whether there is a universal, transcendent definition of evil, or whether evil is determined by ones social or cultural background. C. S. Lewis, in The Abolition of Man, maintained that there are certain acts that are universally considered evil, such as rape and murder.

The question here is when rape and murder is justified [I pist a loooooot of people with this]
like attacking a nation let's say Iraq, let's say World trade center, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Poland etc. etc. etc. Who says who has the right?

God or Allah?

US copyright: Discovery channel scholar 1000 years ago, Christians march to the holy city Jerusalem after pope Urban the second at the council of Claremont declare the first crusade, so they marched to the Holy city Jerusalem, where they kill every men women and child because they have to get rid of the evil in Jerusalem; couple of centuries later, they were doing the kind of things not even serial killers do, burning people at the stake, boiling people in Oil, skinning people alive, Cause they were witches that make a pact with the devil therefore they were getting rid of Evil. Slavery was excused with the bible, Exodus 21 was used by Spain, England, the Dutch, France and the Confederate States, to excuse one or maybe the most horrible holocaust that actually brought Indian civilizations to extinction and African torture for more that 300 years. The Nazis use the term Evil when referring to the Jews a propaganda that lead to one of history darkest hours

we Can see this conduct all the way to Sep 11 2001 when a couple of fundamentalists hijacked a couple of planes filled with innocent people and crashed into building with thousands of people in it.

Why they did this?

Because they crazy?

They are not.

WE SEE IT HAPPENED ALL THE TIME.

IN THE NAME OF CHRIST


IN THE NAME OF COMMUNISM


IN THE NAME OF RACIAL SUPERIORITY [NAZIS]


IN THE NAME OF ALLAH




Why these Men for an example could do something like this?
It shattered your heart and mind.

I tell you why, when you love an utopia more than you love people, people itself has no value and this will be inevitable.
In their minds they were not doing a horrible murder they saw themselves as heroes actually getting rid of what they perceive is evil.

AND WE ARE NO DIFFRENT









SOME OF YOU MIGHT THINK THAT THIS IS NOT FARE FOR OUR TROOPS.

This is not a political statement, this is a human one.

when you love an utopia more than you love people, people itself has no value and this will be inevitable.
murdering [or collateral damage] intentionally or otherwise is acceptable, because in their minds this people are a danger to the realisation of the Utopia.



I looooooove this country and I fought for it when it need it the most, but we need a sociological change that does not operate out of Fear.

Fear is the engine of Evil.

Evil is human, not supernatural. Using reductionism as a tool, if evil has a particle or building block it will be THE INABILITY TO HANDLE A DISAGREEMENT.

[Suki]

Do you know Joshue, that I am reading Carl Sagan and it is interesting that you said that how people handle disagreements is how one knows if they will cope with things well or not. For Carl Sagan says and I paraphrase, "If you disagree let him live. For in all the billions of galaxies and in all the universe you shall not find another like him." People are precious. To kill because one values property, profit, utopias and inhumane ideologies more than life itself is the definition of lack of mental health. But human beings are not mentally healthy. It is true people batter this planet and all the life forms on it and each other as if they have somewhere else to go. The rapture is not an exit strategy. Neither is killing the planet for short term gain and exploitation.

If you don't respect nature and your own species of life, it is doubtful you will respect anything in this world. Human beings unless they mature and become reason based when dealing with each other and the environment are gonna self-destruct. Good thread Joshue.

[Joshue]

Originally Posted by Suki

Do you know Joshue, that I am reading Carl Sagan and it is interesting that you said that how people handle disagreements is how one knows if they will cope with things well or not. For Carl Sagan says and I paraphrase, "If you disagree let him live. For in all the billions of galaxies and in all the universe you shall not find another like him." People are precious. To kill because one values property, profit, utopias and inhumane ideologies more than life itself is the definition of lack of mental health. But human beings are not mentally healthy. It is true people batter this planet and all the life forms on it and each other as if they have somewhere else to go. The rapture is not an exit strategy. Neither is killing the planet for short term gain and exploitation.

If you don't respect nature and your own species of life, it is doubtful you will respect anything in this world. Human beings unless they mature and become reason based when dealing with each other and the environment are gonna self-destruct. Good thread Joshue.

You are right The economical model of today is extremely devastating, not only for the environment but also to the mind of people. It takes them on a self destruct path [good point on your part]. I don't know if you remember when we discus once that totalitarian elimination of individualism or the vice versa which is the world we live today are not good both are devastating, in my opinion. I understand for an example "Independentistas y Estadolibristas" because they are reacting on a phenomenon that this economical model brings which is the alienation of culture. In every part of the world that this economical model had touch, cultures get Alienated, not to mention the devastation of environment.
Your culture Is what makes you human, attacking it is attacking yourself. This is happening all over the world and the first victim is America itself, Neo conservatives had feared for years that American traditions, morals and values are going to disappeared but no culture is permanent and change is always the constant. What they cannot observe [I don't know if it is because they only think one step at a time] that what they promote, which is this capitalistic paradigm is the problem, because people abandon a culture but don't get a new one, because everything is about buy this or buy that.

wikipedia Evil is a broad term used to indicate a negative moral or ethical judgment, often used to describe intentional acts that are cruel, unjust, or selfish. Evil is usually contrasted with good, which describes intentional acts that are kind, just, or unselfish.

In many cultures, evil is used to describe acts or thoughts which are contrary to some particular religion. In some religions, evil is an active force, often personified as an entity such as Satan or Ahriman.

On this definition of Evil here selfishness is part of evil.

Since when totalitarian selfishness good then? that is what they stand for not knowing that it is the cause of contemporary evil

[Corvo]

Simply put, "Evil is man!" only man is Evil. there is no evil outside of man. Man is all of mankind.