Quienes son los estadistas.

[MikeRavens]

The conspiracy novelist at work again, jejejee.......clippie is at least persistent with the same broken record,.........let me correct a few wrong misconceptions like many others


1) if Puerto Rico became a State we would have more political power than 27 states jajajaja....No state has more political power than another.

That's the reason each state gets 2 SENATORS regardless of size and population. The house of representatives is based on population but it balances everything it out in the senate and all states are on a equal playing field.

Meaning the Senate gets the final word if a bill gets pass or dies......the 2 senators of California have the same power leverage like the 2 senators of Hawaii or utah, 2 smaller states than California.


2) The constitution requires 2 senators per state......the number of representatives that could be in congress is NOT in the constitution or the limit., its only a law. That means congress can raise the limit of congress or keep the rules as it is.



3) jejejee....this is the funny part reading Clippies conspiracy theories.....The federal government doesn't move by race groups.....it moves by the 2 political parties and special interest groups. Those are the ones who decides whats gets pass or dies in the federal government


But gotta love th race card and stereotyping by clippie, that train is NEVER late.

[RPR]

The problem with the independence movement in Puerto Rico has consistently been having ties with Castro or with those who engage in violent tactics. That's why I say I believe in the concept of independence but have never been involve with any of the respective groups that seek independence due to these reasons.

At this point with the majority of the Puerto Ricans wanting ties with the U.S. things look bleak for a sovereign island nation but stranger things have happened.

[MikeRavens]

The problem with the independence movement in Puerto Rico is they have NEVER made the case that we are better off economic wise by renouncing U.S. CITIZENSHIP and cutting ties with the United States. Kinda hard to make the case when our neighbors Cuba, Haiti and Dominican Republican are worse off than Puerto Rico.

They had a small window pre- WORLD WAR II era during the great depression and didn't get it done. Once the economy took off after World War II the movement had no chance.

[MikeRavens]

another problem with the independence movement is their economic plan for the republic of P.R.....its a massive centralized government control economy and nobody is buying that. That's why they got ties with Castro and Chavez, they believe in the same economic ideology.

The majority in the independence movement especially the political leaders are big socialists. They truly believe that a big centralized government will create the economy rather than the private sector and people see that didn't work for Cuba or Venezuela and they don't trust them if they get to power.

[clip314]

Originally Posted by MikeRavens

another problem with the independence movement is their economic plan for the republic of P.R.....its a massive centralized government control economy and nobody is buying that. That's why they got ties with Castro and Chavez, they believe in the same economic ideology.

The majority in the independence movement especially the political leaders are big socialists. They truly believe that a big centralized government will create the economy rather than the private sector and people see that didn't work for Cuba or Venezuela and they don't trust them if they get to power.

Not understanding that we don't function as Americans is a problem of many Puerto Ricans who think they've assimilated the American psyche but still live off the government themselves.

The independentistas and the estadistas basically function like one and the same. Why? Four hundred years of being owned by a European power does not get erased in a hundred years.

Puerto Ricans on the average are for BIG CENTRALIZED GOVERNMENT. This may sound strange to someone from Iowa, but not for residents of a Caribbean island who depends on Government handouts.

Nonetheless, Estadistas sell their own brand of Statehood designed to fit Puerto Rico. This is a secret kept from Americans. They sell Statehood as a massive BIG GOVERNMENT horn of plenty, where the government takes care of everything. Who pays? Who cares!

Different from regular Americans who come from a background of self reliance and suspicious of big government, Puerto Ricans function more like Europeans. Will statehood change this? That's wishful thinking.

Being a colony with a huge dependency on federal handouts doesn't help much either.

When I talk to regular Puerto Ricans about Americans questioning handouts, reforming Medicare / Medicaid controlling entitlements, pushing the minorities into being more self reliance etc. etc, all say "eso no lo pueden hacer." "Lo que pasa es que usted es un communista y solo oye noticias de Cuba". Duhhhhhhhhh

How can we become more like Americans and possibly be seen as Statehood material in the eyes of Gringos? First we must convince them ( conservatives + liberals like Chris Matthews) that we'll eventually change the language, even though "los cogeremos de pendejos". Then we can move on to cutting our predisposition of living off the Government. We can push self reliance and independence from federal handouts and prove to Gringos that we mean business. However this is a double edge sword. As Puerto Ricans feel empowered to do things themselves why do they need gringos for?