A New 51st State?

[TipoConSuerte]

Originally Posted by RPR

Whether you like it or not,immigration is part of the fabric of the American nation.Just like you migrated for a better life and millions of others have done so since the birth of this nation. And not all of them were legal. There were plenty of illegals back then as well.

The Southwest is unique given the border with Mexico. Mexicans have been used for labor since the early 1900's (Braceros).Europe used to be a main source of immigration and helped fuel the "white" population of the nation. That is no longer realistic as Europe has a negative grow birth rate.They're only sustaining their own population through immigration. So they're out of the question. Immigration will continue to be from Latin America and Asia. That is just the reality. Europeans who immigrated previously where accused of bringing down wages,organizing criminal networks and contributing to the slums of the Northeast.All which they did.Eventually they were able excel and move out of the slums and helped build the sprawling areas then the suburbs. That is the blue print of the so called American Dream. A capitalist system depends on workers that come at a **bargain**. We shouldn't be paying someone $20 per hour to to work at a Burger King.

The states have no business regulating immigration. That is a power only enumerated to the federal government. And we certainly don't need vigilante groups like the Minute Men on the prowl near the border.Those are the bigots that I am referring to. Statements like " it should be legal to kill illegals" shows how fascist and dangerous groups like these are and how disgusting and appalling it is when you dehumanize a group of people.



As far as Mexico's conduct with their border issues,really? We are now comparing ourselves to Mexico to justify how we treat migrants?


I say we build on a guest worker program
E-Verify should be implemented nationwide
Heavy fines on businesses
Bill Mexico for the cost of dealing with the border.

On the highlighted points above, one I agree with, the other I don't.

Yes, it is true that immigration into the USA seems to be mainly from Latin America and Asia. Here in Los Angeles County you can find a mix of both cultures in certain communities. In other communities, you will find one group outweighing the other.

I lived in a predominantly Hispanic community for 5 years. (BTW, that was the community of La Puente, which is mentioned by Lalo Rodriguez in the song Dia Bonito.) I could not see the second in which I could get myself and my family out of there. The place was known for shootings, beatings, grafitti, gangs, and low income residents. Fortunately, my situation improved and I was able to move us into a community which is 57% Asian. To this day, it's one of the best decisions I've made in my life.

I completely disagree with you on the second point. If the federal government is unable to protect states - especially border states - from the massive influx of illegal immigration, then the onus is on that particular state to protect its assets and its legal residents.

Tell me, what would you do if a trespasser entered your property, sat on your porch and said, "I'm here, I'm not going anywhere, and you can't make me leave." Most of us would call 911 and expect the police to arrive soon to remove the trespasser. But what happens when hours and days go by, and the police doesn't show up? When that happens, most of us would brandish our weapons and warn the trespasser what awaits him/her if they chose to stay on our porch or worse yet, if they try to uninvitedly enter our homes. If the police does not show up to protect me and my family, then the onus is on me to do so.

[RPR]

My theory is that federal immigration laws are not being enforced because most the big donors are businesses. So what we get is a vilification of the migrants.It's easier to target them because they are powerless. That is my only beef. Let's get to the real heart of the immigration issue.They come here because they find work. If these businesses would not employ migrant labor then they would not be here.

I am against illegal immigration because it's creating a second class citizenship that is mostly identify as Mexican/Latino.Let's elect representatives that will enforce the laws already on the book.The Constitution does not allow for states to regulate immigration. Imagine if all states had their own unique immigration law. Are we going to go back to the free state/slave state mentality? Let's just enforce the laws we have. In fact,under Obama's watch more than a million people have been deported. More than under Bush's watch so far.

[MikeRavens]

Originally Posted by RPR

Whether you like it or not,immigration is part of the fabric of the American nation.Just like you migrated for a better life and millions of others have done so since the birth of this nation. And not all of them were legal. There were plenty of illegals back then as well.

The Southwest is unique given the border with Mexico. Mexicans have been used for labor since the early 1900's (Braceros).Europe used to be a main source of immigration and helped fuel the "white" population of the nation. That is no longer realistic as Europe has a negative grow birth rate.They're only sustaining their own population through immigration. So they're out of the question. Immigration will continue to be from Latin America and Asia. That is just the reality. Europeans who immigrated previously where accused of bringing down wages,organizing criminal networks and contributing to the slums of the Northeast.All which they did.Eventually they were able excel and move out of the slums and helped build the sprawling areas then the suburbs. That is the blue print of the so called American Dream. A capitalist system depends on workers that come at a **bargain**. We shouldn't be paying someone $20 per hour to to work at a Burger King.

The states have no business regulating immigration. That is a power only enumerated to the federal government. And we certainly don't need vigilante groups like the Minute Men on the prowl near the border.Those are the bigots that I am referring to. Statements like " it should be legal to kill illegals" or " I have more respect for stray cats and dogs than illegals" shows how fascist and dangerous groups like these are and how disgusting and appalling it is when you dehumanize a group of people.



As far as Mexico's conduct with their border issues,really? We are now comparing ourselves to Mexico to justify how we treat migrants?


I say we build on a guest worker program
E-Verify should be implemented nationwide
Heavy fines on businesses
Bill Mexico for the cost of dealing with the border.

1) Again you are comparing apples and oranges and there's a difference between LEGAL IMMIGRATION to ILLEGAL immigration......you make up so many excuses in your head to justify illegal acts that its mind boggling.......just like in Puerto Rico with the "AY BENDITO".




2) I didn't migrate....I was born a U.S. citizen like you and I moved to the states and territories as I saw fit. I didn't break any local, state or federal laws. I obeyed every law and made every requirement by law everytime I moved to any state or the U.S. territory of Puerto Rico by applying for the Driver's license, state I.D. and registered to vote at my place of residency. I also filed all local. state and federal income taxes under my REAL NAME, REAL SOCIAL SECURITY, REAL IDENTITY AND REAL INCOME required by LAW......something an ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT won't do.



3) If I migrated to another country to live, work or just visiting I will follow and obey ALL LAWS of that country. I just can't pick and choose which laws to follow and which ones NOT....Im a VISITOR in that country. If I violate their laws I shouldn't complain if I get arrested, fine or get deported. I wont play the VICTIM either.....NI EL AY BENDITO shiat!.....its your responsibility to know the laws of the country your are migrating.....don't you think?........maybe in Mexico they let everybody do whatever they want but in this country we have laws and regulations that all CITIZENS have to follow or there will be legal consequences....why should we give ILLEGALS special treatment?



4) You mention the minute men and call them bigots but that's up for debate. They have a right to defend their land of the invasion of people that are not from this country and are violating our laws and bringing a wave of violence and drug trafficking over the border which its really bad with the drug cartels, gangs and extreme violence from mexico which you don't even mention........the minute men are NOT the problem....what comes from Mexico over the border is. The Drug Cartels are the ones that control Mexico, they have the mexican police and politicians in their pockets and the violence its coming over the border IS OUT OF CONTROL........but you rather blame the "GRINGOS" that want to do something about it.......interesting.


5) Why can't the states enforce the federal laws? 2 agencies are better than one........The Arizona law is the exact same thing as the federal. How could the Arizona law be wrong and the federal which they don't enforce well be good?.......that's the hypocrisy of the Obama administration and people pulling out the race card to defend a bunch of law breakers and a bad situation around the border




6) The United States treat ILLEGAL immigrants very soft in my opinion.....compare to Europe, Japan, China and even Mexico, we treat ILLEGAL immigration like a joke...if you get caught illegally in this country (A BIG IF) we sent you back so you can do it all over again the next day and come back ILLEGALLY with another fake papers, fake name and fake identification.....and you complain about our treatment towards them?.....por favor no me hagas reir....cry me a river!


Aqui no hay victimas....hay chorros de personas que ven un huecote grande en el sistema y lo explotan y que se joda lo demas.....y el culpable de todo esto es el maldito gobierno corrupto e inepto de Mexico que tienen las cosas tan malas en mexico que a ellos le sale mejor que sus cuidadanos vengan a ser explotados y poner en una posicion de segunda clase y se limpian las manos y se hacen la mosquita muerta en vez de bregar con el raiz del problema de su pais y sociedad......No tenemos este problema con Canada y el borde en el norte.....por que sera?

[MikeRavens]

Originally Posted by RPR

Puerto Rico's birth certificate change had nothing to do with human trafficking! You want to talk about government waste and intrusion this is what the certificate change created.We still don't know what all the ramifications and havoc this change will create for most people. I'm probably one of the few that lives nearby a Puerto Rican community and I can tell you that most of the people are under the belief that their old certificates are still valid.This change was unnecessary as only about 0.1 percent of fraud cases in the U.S. involved Puerto Rican birth certificates. The change will do nothing to stop the black market involving the certificates which is largely due to Puerto Ricans selling them off.....

It was changed by the investigations, cases and recommendation from the FBI that concluded that most of the birth certificates from Puerto Rico being falsified was used by illegal immigrants since the majority of Puerto Rican have spanish names and that blends in better with illegal mexicans and Domincans in the island.



Let me explain how illegal immigration works.....once they enter this country illegally they need some kind of fake/stolen/false identification because in this country you need it for any service.....to rent an apartment, gas, light, cell phone, driver's license, social security to work and get benefits of any kind , to file federal taxes to get the EARNED INCOME CREDIT which could be up to $6,000 a year if you have the kids and mexicans do have the kids.......the list is endless.

you get the picture?.......now you know that illegal immigrants break many laws not just immigration laws and we taxpayers and U.S. CITIZENS end up paying for them in the end with higher taxes.


why would a Puerto Rican sell his own information so they can mess up his credit and identity? ...........you lost me there.........



If I pay for a stolen identity and use that identity to apply for services that's call FRAUD......that's what ILLEGALS are doing


But of course for you the problem is the gringos and puerto ricans......mexicans are the victims here....they are forced to come here ILLEGALLY at gunpoint and ignore our laws.............

[TipoConSuerte]

Originally Posted by MikeRavens

It was changed by the investigations, cases and recommendation from the FBI that concluded that most of the birth certificates from Puerto Rico being falsified was used by illegal immigrants since the majority of Puerto Rican have spanish names and that blends in better with illegal mexicans and Domincans in the island.



Let me explain how illegal immigration works.....once they enter this country illegally they need some kind of fake/stolen/false identification because in this country you need it for any service.....to rent an apartment, gas, light, cell phone, driver's license, social security to work and get benefits of any kind , to file federal taxes to get the EARNED INCOME CREDIT which could be up to $6,000 a year if you have the kids and mexicans do have the kids.......the list is endless.

you get the picture?.......now you know that illegal immigrants break many laws not just immigration laws and we taxpayers and U.S. CITIZENS end up paying for them in the end with higher taxes.


why would a Puerto Rican sell his own information so they can mess up his credit and identity? ...........you lost me there.........



If I pay for a stolen identity and use that identity to apply for services that's call FRAUD......that's what ILLEGALS are doing


But of course for you the problem is the gringos and puerto ricans......mexicans are the victims here....they are forced to come here ILLEGALLY at gunpoint and ignore our laws.............

"EL QUE NO TRANZA. . ."¡NO AVANZA!"

This is a well known saying among many Mexicans. Can't say every Mexican I know lives by that creed, but many do. It's ingrained in their culture. It's the way things are done over there and it's precisely that mentality which pervades and carries over with them when they enter this country. . .ILLEGALLY!

[RPR]

Originally Posted by MikeRavens

1) Again you are comparing apples and oranges and there's a difference between LEGAL IMMIGRATION to ILLEGAL immigration......you make up so many excuses in your head to justify illegal acts that its mind boggling.......just like in Puerto Rico with the "AY BENDITO".




2) I didn't migrate....I was born a U.S. citizen like you and I moved to the states and territories as I saw fit. I didn't break any local, state or federal laws. I obeyed every law and made every requirement by law everytime I moved to any state or the U.S. territory of Puerto Rico by applying for the Driver's license, state I.D. and registered to vote at my place of residency. I also filed all local. state and federal income taxes under my REAL NAME, REAL SOCIAL SECURITY, REAL IDENTITY AND REAL INCOME required by LAW......something an ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT won't do.



3) If I migrated to another country to live, work or just visiting I will follow and obey ALL LAWS of that country. I just can't pick and choose which laws to follow and which ones NOT....Im a VISITOR in that country. If I violate their laws I shouldn't complain if I get arrested, fine or get deported. I wont play the VICTIM either.....NI EL AY BENDITO shiat!.....its your responsibility to know the laws of the country your are migrating.....don't you think?........maybe in Mexico they let everybody do whatever they want but in this country we have laws and regulations that all CITIZENS have to follow or there will be legal consequences....why should we give ILLEGALS special treatment?



4) You mention the minute men and call them bigots but that's up for debate. They have a right to defend their land of the invasion of people that are not from this country and are violating our laws and bringing a wave of violence and drug trafficking over the border which its really bad with the drug cartels, gangs and extreme violence from mexico which you don't even mention........the minute men are NOT the problem....what comes from Mexico over the border is. The Drug Cartels are the ones that control Mexico, they have the mexican police and politicians in their pockets and the violence its coming over the border IS OUT OF CONTROL........but you rather blame the "GRINGOS" that want to do something about it.......interesting.


5) Why can't the states enforce the federal laws? 2 agencies are better than one........The Arizona law is the exact same thing as the federal. How could the Arizona law be wrong and the federal which they don't enforce well be good?.......that's the hypocrisy of the Obama administration and people pulling out the race card to defend a bunch of law breakers and a bad situation around the border




6) The United States treat ILLEGAL immigrants very soft in my opinion.....compare to Europe, Japan, China and even Mexico, we treat ILLEGAL immigration like a joke...if you get caught illegally in this country (A BIG IF) we sent you back so you can do it all over again the next day and come back ILLEGALLY with another fake papers, fake name and fake identification.....and you complain about our treatment towards them?.....por favor no me hagas reir....cry me a river!


Aqui no hay victimas....hay chorros de personas que ven un huecote grande en el sistema y lo explotan y que se joda lo demas.....y el culpable de todo esto es el maldito gobierno corrupto e inepto de Mexico que tienen las cosas tan malas en mexico que a ellos le sale mejor que sus cuidadanos vengan a ser explotados y poner en una posicion de segunda clase y se limpian las manos y se hacen la mosquita muerta en vez de bregar con el raiz del problema de su pais y sociedad......No tenemos este problema con Canada y el borde en el norte.....por que sera

DUH!! Because they fit in easier with Anglos! Educate un poco porque tambien hay ilegales canadienses.

Claro,su economia esta por encima de la mexicana por ende no vas a ver mas ilegales pero que lo hay...lo hay. Vuelvo y te repito que puedes gritar y guapetiar todo lo que quiera pera las corporaciones son las que corren este pais. Las corporaciones quieren mano de obra barata y mexico esta cerca con bastante de obreros listo para ser el trabajo. Ni los democratas ni los republicanos tienen un real deseo de cambiar la situacion porque estan en los bosillos de las corporaciones.

Hay dos clases de migraciones. La externa migracion y la interna migracion. Nosotros somos migrantes interno ya que salimos de un territorio hasta otro adentro de los estados unidos. Look it up! I'm not going to back and forth on simple points.It's like you telling me 1+1=3 when everyone know is 2. You have a habit of doing that.

Lastly,take a trip around any area where there is a huge Puerto Rican community and you will realize that the poorest or drug addicted are selling off their SS cards and certificates. This is noithing new under the sun. The change in the certificate law is useless. This will continue to occur unless we all become fair looking and no longer have Spanish last names.

[RPR]

Commentary: Keep farm labor supply intact | Herald Times Reporter | htrnews.com

Wisconsin's status as America's Dairyland was built on the hard work, determination and perseverance of generations of family farmers. German, Polish and Scandinavian immigrants quickly built a successful industry that catapulted Wisconsin past New York to become the leading dairy state in the country by 1915.

This industry generates $26.5 billion in economic activity each year and is interconnected with nearly every industry in our state. In fact, every dollar of dairy income generates an additional $1.54 back into local communities.

While Wisconsin's dairy farms have remained almost entirely family-owned (99 percent), farming has certainly advanced since the first barns went up in our state. As dairy farms have modernized, one of the biggest challenges has become finding employees to milk and feed cows, clean barns and do all the responsibilities required to keep a dairy farm functioning properly.

This labor-intensive work is a 365-day-a-year responsibility for all dairy farms. Cows need to be milked two to three times a day; they do not go on vacation or take the holidays off. Unfortunately, the reality facing many of our farmers is a shortage in the work force, despite paying a living wage and providing good benefits such as health insurance, a 401(k) and paid vacation.

We need Congress to come up with a common sense solution to ensure that farmers have access to a legal work force. Right now, the House of Representatives is considering a bill that could cripple the agricultural industry.

The proposal, H.R. 2146, would mandate farm owners use the federal E-Verify program, an online database employers can use to check the immigration status of their employees. If a prospective hire is not in the database, a problem that has occurred regularly, then the farmer and potential hire must spend time and resources jumping through bureaucratic hoops to fix the problem. [ Who are they kidding? It's because they're illegal]

Let's be clear. We all agree that we must solve our illegal immigration problems. However, we must consider the unintended consequences of this legislation. This problem must address immigration in a way that does not place additional barriers in front of farmers without providing access to a legal supply of labor. The results of these unintended consequences would devastate Wisconsin's economy and jeopardize our nation's food security.

The state of Georgia provides an example of what could happen if we force a one-size-fits-all approach to immigration reform on agriculture. Since Georgia passed its version of immigration reform, farmers there are dealing with a labor shortage of 30 to 50 percent and are facing hundreds of millions of dollars in losses. With the fragile nature of our economy, I certainly wouldn't want to face a similar problem here in the Dairy State.