Was Jose Padilla framed?

[JoseNestor]

Was Jose Padilla framed or is it just me who thinks that?

Let me explain.

At first just like everyone else, I thought it's great they stopped this monster from killing more Americans. Then I started litening to what the news were actually saying.

1. The emphasis was on how well the CIA and the FBI worked together to apprehend this guy! Didn't we just have a whistle blower testify on how this very same thing was impossible just a week ago?? The timing of Mr. Padilla's arrest was amazing!

2. If the CIA and the FBI are so capable of tracking this guy, his meetings, his money, his agenda throughout Pakistan, Egypt, Switzerland, and several other coutries; why did they have to aprehend him at the airport in Chicago? Why not let this guy lead them to his "sleeper cell" or potential accomplices? Who are they? Where are they?

2. He was held by military personnel at a brigg in a military base, not prison, no due process, no Miranda rights, no contact with the outside world, including attorneys. Keep in mind Mr. Padilla is a US citizen born in Brooklyn, NY.

3. There is no evidence of any crime, in fact, there is no actual crime, only the "intent to plot" a crime.

4. Government officials have said that there is no need for a trial in Mr. Padilla's case. In fact, he has been declared a "combatant" and may be sent to Camp X-Ray, Guantanamo, Cuba.

I guess I could go on and on about this. I hope I am wrong and that our government has prevented a terrible thing.

However, when I was a child in PR, I remember another CIA/FBI joint operation that was perfectly timed (July 25) and that stopped another horrible terrorist act, the bombing of a critical Federal Facility. It was called "Cerro Maravilla."

Am I the only one who is seeing this??

[El_Jibaro]

[i]But, really, my opinion on the matter is that José Padilla was just an Al-Qaida PATSY, sent to distract the CIA and the FBI from the REAL Dirty Bombers by leaving a TRAIL so THICK, even Pee-Wee Hermann would find hard not to trace.

To me Padilla is not an example of "framing"[b], but of how incompetent our American Security Agencies are, that they find only one guy now, while 25 others got through before and did the 9-11 attack, and probably 75 others are still at large planning the next big one.

[JoseNestor]

El_Jíbaro,

Where do you get your statistics from? 5% of Puerto Ricans where, believing in what? I would like to know what is it that I belong to.

My personal politics may surprise you. Your politics and mine are not so different. I only disagree with how you go about disseminating yours and some of your recent foreign policy.

Please remember that believing in something so blindly (anything) can only lead to blindness. Everyone needs to cringe once in a while, or everyone ends up numb.

You and I were both in PR when Romero Barcelo made the announcement on July 25. Don't you remember the crowd cheering at the time? It was perfect timming (and a beautiful day), the Commonwealth Day Parade in San Juan, it went something like this: "I have a very important announcement, Puerto Rican police agents with the assistance of federal agents have prevented and aprehended several separatist operatives with the intention of using explosives to blow up the Federal Communication antennas atop Cerro Maravilla..."

How proud we felt, didn't we? You were there. But who's Patsys were those kids that day? Time taught us differently. I was a child, but I learned my lesson well. You did not. I will not be blind the next time, and yes, if I have to, I will cringe!

[MinFaluMuhammad]

The timing is the fact that the United States govt. now is going to be held responsible for knowing about the plot on September 11th, but they let it happen. Why? To legitimize Pres. Bush's wack administration. The Dow Jones was losing 900 points a day upon Bush's presidency. It was going down as the worst Presidency in the history of the United States. All the surplus Clinton had, the Republicans went in like wild beasts to a dying carcass and spent, spent, and spent that money. Now they are saying that Jose Padilla's arrest shows how radical Islam is growing within prisons to recruit African-American men. That is bull****. I am the Nation of Islam's Prison Reform Minister in Kentucky and believe me the only hate that is being bred in these prisons are by the racist chaplains, wardens, and correctional officers who allow the KKK and other white supremacists groups thrive like weeds while the Muslims are subjected to 1950's type discrimination, called ******s and everything. So yes, Jose Padilla was framed to thwart any attention the people would have had towards the Bush administrations debauchery. Colin Powell is not even really with the Bush administration no more. He and Rumsfeld and Fleischer can't get along for nothing because of the stands they have taken. I wonder if this is why Colin Powell gave Min. Farrakhan the green light to go to Israel this week. Makes you wonder.

your brother in Islam,

Hector Falu-Muhammad

[Cocoricomami]

Originally Posted by MinFaluMuhammad

The timing is the fact that the United States govt. now is going to be held responsible for knowing about the plot on September 11th, but they let it happen. Why? To legitimize Pres. Bush's wack administration. The Dow Jones was losing 900 points a day upon Bush's presidency. It was going down as the worst Presidency in the history of the United States. All the surplus Clinton had, the Republicans went in like wild beasts to a dying carcass and spent, spent, and spent that money. Now they are saying that Jose Padilla's arrest shows how radical Islam is growing within prisons to recruit African-American men. That is bull****. I am the Nation of Islam's Prison Reform Minister in Kentucky and believe me the only hate that is being bred in these prisons are by the racist chaplains, wardens, and correctional officers who allow the KKK and other white supremacists groups thrive like weeds while the Muslims are subjected to 1950's type discrimination, called ******s and everything. So yes, Jose Padilla was framed to thwart any attention the people would have had towards the Bush administrations debauchery. Colin Powell is not even really with the Bush administration no more. He and Rumsfeld and Fleischer can't get along for nothing because of the stands they have taken. I wonder if this is why Colin Powell gave Min. Farrakhan the green light to go to Israel this week. Makes you wonder.

your brother in Islam,

Hector Falu-Muhammad

I definitely think he was framed. It's interesting to me that Padilla is in prison, while Hamdi got to be sent to Saudi Arabia and is free!

[Yujike]

Manolo El Le~ero, Maria Bracetti, Pedro Albizu Campos, Lolita Lebron, Rogelio Torresola, Filiberto Ojeda, los del Cerro Maravilla , on and on y ahora Padilla, some things never change in the colony!
The torny relationship between the US and the citizens of Puerto Rico on self-determination "by any means possible" predates and transcends 9-11