General Theorem of Existence

[Suki]

moderator. But unfortunately, I am getting into trouble with my queridisimo marido y mis amistades as it is for spending the amount of time I have on PR.com.
They ganged up on me on Sunday and threatened to cut the internet completely if I did not go back to my regular routine. Mi esposo usa el internet para ajedrez, y aprendiendo chino on-line y tambien se pasa haciendo investigacion del teatro, etc. and etc.

Mi esposo did not like the simple dinner of black beans, white rice and pollo fricase, with pineapple flan last Friday, he wanted Puerto Rican Paella and I wanted to check out Puerto Rico.com and made a simpler and faster dinner than my usual big productions on Fridays...so I decided recently to cut back on the writing. It is slow today at work y me puedo dar el lujo de escribir un poquito Eddier1 pero moderator is a big responsibility and I would take it very seriously if I accepted. Pero no puedo por muchas razones practicas. Me halagastes y lo aprecio muchisimo Eddie. Muchos carinos para ti, Suki.

[Eddier1]

Originally posted by Suki

Interpretation of anything related to religion is very difficult to keep in an objective mode of thought...[/b]

Yes that is so, but although it is difficult it is not impossible to do. That is why I referred to the method of collation between the two Testaments of the Bible. Especially is this necessary where Jeshua (viz Jesus) is concerned. Most Christian scholars get bogged-down in the New Testament in trying to interpret it correctly. But since the discovery of the Dead Sea scrolls, with its original versions of texts, and with its archeological discovery of the oldest Bible in history, we now can learn many new ideas about Jeshua and the beginnings of early Christianity.

Suki, you as a cultural anthropologist, I think would find it fascinating to learn about the Essenes, or as the orthodox Jews call them, viz. the Zadokites. Monasticism of the early Christians in Egypt was definitely tied to the Essene monastic tradition. And moreover, Jeshua, even by Jews of Judaism, accept that he was a bona fide rabbi of the Essenes. In the towns of Israel, the Essenes were sponsored by the Saducees, of which Joseph of Arimethea, Jeshua's friend and sponser, was one. He was also the wealthiest Jew of Jerusalem, and a key member of the Sanhedrin.

Being objective, then, the conclusion can be warranted that Judeo-Christianity is an infra-structure of Judaism.And this as well as the other evidence from the scrolls of Qumran in the Dead Sea area, support that Jeshua was a young rabbi, on an evangelical mission to uplift spiritually his fellow Jews, when all that happened to him, leading to his crucifixion, evolved.

Regards Boricua,
EddieR
P.S. sorry to hear you can't apply to be our new moderator, but you could tell your hubby about home-networking hardware and software, which would allow both of you to use connected puters and do your stuff independently!

[Suki]

I have read about a lot of them... the early lives of Mary and Joseph were particularly interesting. So much about Jesus'youth and young years that are missing from the new testament are linked to other more ancient religions than Judaism.

My deceased Papi, had two master's degrees one in education the other in linguistics. He also in his youth belonged to Manny's Pentecostal church and graduated from Bible College in Puerto Rico...he was sent to Texas, New Mexico and other southwestern states by his church in the Bronx near 125th St and Prospect Ave. He was a devout and sacrificed believer, but the church unfortunately was full of corruption, narrow-mindedness and intolerance (they hated the fanatical Catolicos Mexicanos in Texas) my father thought that they should serve the community and that the Pastors should live extremely humbly and modestly and fast and pray 5-6 hours a day...you know how much that went over with those hipocrites. They wanted violent confrontations with Roman Catholics and to get rich by asking for larger ofrendas from the congregations (especially in the East Coast) they also wanted the women to be passive "yes people" and my father thought the women should be included in many leadership positions. Plus many other issues.

But mi Papa siempre estaba agradecido que la iglesia y la fe que tenia got him out of the worst ghetto conditions and gave his life the right direction.

But Papa had the questioning rebellious mind of Raulg and therefore saw the false fronts and the hipocrisy. Going by Manny's example their flaws as a church (and he as a limited man) do not represent them in a favorable light still to this day.

I enjoy analyzing religion but I think I have strayed too far from Raul's "General Theorem of Existence" premise and would like to get back on track. So, Raul Weinberg's experiments and his theories on particle physics were convincing to you? Since I respect your mind, I am going to get this book this very weekend. (THey had it checked out by someone else at the library).

I know this is a simple question Raul but simple questions are sometimes the best...Why do you think this planet is here? Do you believe in an ultimate purpose? Why is gravity and magnetism and degradation of living cells so orderly and what ultimate purpose does it serve to have such orderliness in the universe? And lastly how old are you, and are you married? (just keeping you on your toes)I wish I could cook for you. What kind of food do you prefer Raul? Are you a health food fanatic, vegetarian, vegan, prefer Asian, Puerto Rican, Mexican, Italian or Persian cuisine (I know all of them well)? Which one do you prefer? Love, Suki.

[Edited by Suki on 28th September 2001 at 05:23]

[Suki]

Y cuando estoy planchando nuestra ropa I read up on Dead Sea Scroll documents. The translations sometimes are poor, but as us translators know it is a tricky thing to try to preserve the original texts meaning (especially if its an old archaic linguistic format). Papotito (el marido) loves arguing his opinion about all kinds of metaphysical stuff. That is why I enjoy Raul sooo much. He is very different than my lovely husband. I like Raul's thinking (I think I like playing the Devil's advocate with Papotito he tries harder to defend his point of view and we have a lot fun with the bantering).

What do you think about Existence is all about Eddie? I am dying to hear your opinion (I bet it is exactly like Mami [so far you two have been dead ringers on ideological thought] y Mami es una izquierdista mas extrema que su plataforma politico and I suspect so are you mi Eddie.)

[Eddier1]

Suki said:

I have read about a lot of them... the early lives of Mary and Joseph were particularly interesting. So much about Jesus'youth and young years that are missing from the new testament are linked to other more ancient religions than Judaism.
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Hello!, yes indeed you seem to be hinting at something of great importance especially when referring to Jeshua's youth and young years being linked to other more ancient religions than Judaism. Now, that you mention it, and I was reluctant to mention it before, because I didn't want to stray to far from the specific topic under discussion, I will say now, without being chary of saying too much at one time, that Jeshua's existence, or what in scholarly circles is called the "Historical Jesus" has been proved by the records kept in one Buddist monastery on the border of India and Tibet. You seem to know!...his name of Jeshua bar Joseph, and the names of this fellow Zadokite monks who travelled with him to that monastery is engraved by Buddist monks in their rolled-metal registery drums of all visitors to their monastery. Moreover, the reason these Essense monks visted the Buddists is also given, and that was specifically to query the Buddists about their beliefs and philosophy concerning a Monotheistic God, or the One. This interested Jesus and his fellow monks and was the reason for his scholarly trip, because the Jews believed that they were the only religion which believed in the One God! But even more, the "practical Buddist monks" also rated Jeshua and his fellow monks, they gave him a grade so-to-speak and it was one of great praise. The rating system was practical, in that if a visitor was a troublemaker, that visitor would not be permitted to re-enter their monastery again in the future. Jeshua and his buddy monks all passed with "flying colors". You see further that the registery records date from the time Jeshua was in his early twenties, and as we are told by Christian theologians his public ministry that led to his crucifixion didn't begin until he was 33 years old. Maybe what those theologians say is true and maybe it isn't. But what is indisputable evidence,i.e., the Buddist registery engraved in rolled metal, and preserved for centuries upon centuries by the monks of Buddist monasteries, proves that the Historical Jesus did indeed exist. That he was a bona fide Rabbi and wandering scholar too of the Zadokite or Essene religious denomination.

Interesting isn't it Suki? A Social or Cultural Anthropologist could have a field day with those metal artifacts that are officially Buddist registeries.

As to what you said about your dad, and your mom has left me quite stunned. How did your Mom, a communist, ever choose your dad who was a Pentecostal minister in marriage? Wow, the mysteries of love, and will wonders never cease! Please excuse me Suki if I sound irreverent in any way, shape, or form, but it has been a great revelation to me, since I have had such a to-do with Manuel Rosas, who is a sort of lay preacher of the same religious denomination as your dad was. Again I say will wonders never cease?; and in the U.S. anything can happen! Be well, do good work, and keep in touch.

Regards Boricua,
EddieR

[Suki]

The key to understanding is that I said my Papi's YOUTH. He was in his late teens and early 21or 22 when he finally left the religion for all of the above reasons. He was born a rebel (and it helped him survive in a Blackboard Jungle type of youth) all his friends from junior high and high school (of which he dropped out of high school at 16 and later went to Bible college) died in gang violence or in jail as lifers or drug addicts.

I know almost every little detail about my father's life. He was a world class talker (and a fiery preacher as a teen). I know my father's father and so on for many generations {I can't talk about my family tree it would be too easy to track my existence as it is}. I am an open book. But it is best to be discrete.

Suffice it to say that he finished his GED in the Air Force and was honorably discharged in 1957. He was 24 at the time. He worked part-time and roomed with some ex-washed up opera singer, who according to Papi was such a cheapskate he would count Macaronis and Papi had to boil only the approved amount or Giovanni would get upset. He had black kids named Bob Hope and Charlie Brown and Timmy Shaw who were his best friends (my father se veia muy blanco casi irlandes excepto que tenia los ojos cafeses y oscuros, el cabello de Papi era blanco como la nieve muy canoso desde que tenia 13 anos de edad, that is why I have premature gray hair, he had smooth perfectly clear skin, I also inherited that). He started taking university classes and was amazed that if he applied himself he did very well. He graduated with a BA in Hispanic Studies from a private university in Puerto Rico he was a cum laude graduate. Then he got a couple of master's degrees when my sister and I were in elementary and junior high school from some prestigious universities in California. Papi never considered himself brilliant. He said Mami was the brilliant one. Papi era puro fuego, pasion, corazon y un pintor de primera. A true artist Eddie. But I think he was unforgettable, my husband agrees with me.

Back to how my parents met. My paternal grandmother was renting a room in the Bronx that my mother's younger sister wound up renting. My aunt who is an extremely colorful character and was and is a lesbian (caused my paternal grandmother who was a holy roller) to become a busybody and gossip about my aunt's "unnatural" tendencies. My father teased my grandmother and he met my aunt they struck up a lively conversation and she said "you should meet my sister she has the same political directional thought as you do". They met and 3 weeks later they married and cheapskate Giovanni sang some opera at their wedding. They were married for 21 years.

I am researching Jesus early life now (not for the Museum or for the translation company but for me.) It is interesting Eddie. I have so many interesting stories about so many people I have loved. My father passed away only 2+ years ago. It is like a huge irreplaceble hole in my existence, because I knew him better than any other human being on the face of this earth. When he was dying I read him a poem by Antonio Machado because that was who he was "Caminante no hay Camino se hace Camino al Andar", se titulaba "Cantares". Me esta haciendo llorar pensar en el de nuevo...better to move on to less painful topics Eddie. Love, Suki.

[Edited by Suki on 28th September 2001 at 04:53]

[Suki]

What do you think existence is all about?