The WORD is what makes us "EXIST".

[El_Jibaro]

[i]

John 1:1

IN THE BEGINNING THE WORD ALREADY EXISTED. HE WAS WITH GOD, AND HE WAS GOD.

Now that may be obtuse for my scientifically challenged contenders here (those who never went to college and those non-science majors), but anyone with two cents worth of scientific knowledge will tell you that the essence of SCIENCE is INFORMATION.

ALL PHYSICAL RELATIONSHIPS are INFORMATION.

Take Einstein's Energy Matter equivalence:

Energy = Matter times the Speed of Light Squared

E = M*C^2

This E = M*C^2 is plainly INFORMATION.

Same applies to All PHYSICAL LAWS: they consist of INFORMATION.

As a matter of fact, one of the huge debates in Physics nowadays is whether matter and energy sucked up in a black hole will lose all their INFORMATION. If they do, then the Big-Bang Cosmology is IRREVERSIBLE, and the Universe is doomed to fizzle out in a big "brown-out"... If they don't then at the end of the current expansion of the Universe, it will contract again and repeat the Big-Bang over and over throughout eons of time (or so they conjecture...).

Now, the gist of the concept "WORD" is that it is INFORMATION.

As we see by the musings of modern PHYSICISTS, without INFORMATION the Universe cannot be.

Everything in the Universe consists of INFORMATION.

Thus, by sheer and simple LOGIC, the "WORD" is GOD as far as the Universe is concerned.

What amazes me is that an old religious man about 90 years old, a pius Jew named John, coined this phrase at the end of the First Century A.D. through direct revelation for GOD. While now, 21 centuries later, the brightest minds in the world are discovering this issue. It took humanity 21 centuries to arrive at what an old man saw with his own eyes while he was a prisoner of the now infamous Roman Empire:

Revelation 19:11-13

11THEN I SAW HEAVEN OPENED, AND A WHITE HORSE WAS STANDING THERE. AND THE ONE SITTING ON THE HORSE WAS NAMED FAITHFUL AND TRUE. FOR HE JUDGES FAIRLY AND THEN GOES TO WAR. 12HIS EYES WERE BRIGHT LIKE FLAMES OF FIRE, AND ON HIS HEAD WERE MANY CROWNS. A NAME WAS WRITTEN ON HIM, AND ONLY HE KNEW WHAT IT MEANT. 13HE WAS CLOTHED WITH A ROBE DIPPED IN BLOOD, AND HIS TITLE WAS THE "WORD OF GOD".

I doubt that John thought in terms of equations and physical quantities when he wrote John 1:1. He just knew personally the MAN he later came to know as the WORD. He saw HIM, he learned from HIM, he followed HIM even to the point of putting his own life in jeopardy for HIM, and during the VISION he had which he wrote down because of HIS direct command, he even WORSHIPED HIM (Revelation 5). And in that VISION John received the Universe's greatest explicitly-implicitly known secret, for you see, we all use words. In fact, this language faculty alone separates us from the rest of the animal kingdom: the almost limitless use of words.

When Adam was created, GOD gave him the task of NAMING every animal on Earth (I doubt he completed his monumental task, since we are still discovering animals today...). NAMES are by their very definition WORDS. Yes, some baboons may be able to memorize a few hundred words, but only humans can memorize THOUSANDS of them and also place them in almost endless sequences to convey all manners of thought and description of actions and things.

So, sophists of this forum, gyrate all you want and play name games and concoct all kinds of FALSE information you deliberately want through your malicious use of "words", while I and the rest of people who are like John will follow the ONE who is the WORD . I for one don't want all the INFORMATION that makes me the unique being I am to be lost forever; for obviously there is no better way to ensure that at the end of this present time all that INFORMATION gets reunited and expressed again by the ONE who in HIMSELF sustains the entire Universe by HIS very WORD:

Hebrews 1:3[b]

THE SON IS THE RADIANCE OF GOD'S GLORY AND THE EXACT REPRESENTATION OF HIS BEING, SUSTAINING ALL THINGS BY HIS POWERFUL WORD.

[VictorManuel]

" A human being is part of the whole we call 'universe', a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separate from the rest-a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness."
=Albert Einstein

[Ecuajey]

Originally posted by VictorManuel
" A human being is part of the whole we call 'universe', a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separate from the rest-a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness."
=Albert Einstein

Very True.

[El_Jibaro]

Originally posted by VictorManuel
" A human being is part of the whole we call 'universe', a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separate from the rest-a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness."
=Albert Einstein

[i]While Albert had good insight into what makes up matter, he had no clue on higher things, such as computers, computing languages, fluid dynamics, and he wasn't aware that living things had DNA... That is just the tip of the iceberg on the things he ignored, because they had not yet been discovered or invented.

Just look at a tiny living cell in our bodies: it is a piece of MACHINERY more complex than a 747. And our bodies have billions of these. Cells and organisms are so complex that many scientists agree that they could not have begun to exist from scratch; organisms which have structures that are called "IRREDUCIBLE complexity" (much like a mouse trap cannot trap mice without a spring, or having a spring, it cannot work without a cockable hammer...), and thus there are many scientists who dare not acknowledge a CREATOR, yet they are willing to believe that some U.F.O. brought life here from another planet far-far away, like Carl Sagan...

Well, I myself stopped believing in U.F.O.'s and the famous Yetti very long ago.

The issue of HUMAN BEINGS, versus the Universe that we inhabit, is that WE are different than the Universe, WE are the only ones WHO ask QUESTIONS. Chipmunks don't ask QUESTIONS. Neither do whales with brains hundreds of times bigger than chipmunks. Only WE ask QUESTIONS. Only WE are aware of TIME-SPACE. Only WE ask ourselves

"Why am I unique? Why is nobody else me?"

By the way, I was about THREE YEARS OLD when I asked myself that, and I doubt that I was alone in those simple EXISTENTIAL Questions. That a YOUNG CREATURE barely three feet high, with the brains ten times smaller than that of an elephant could ask those EXISTENTIAL Questions makes it obvious that HUMAN BEINGS are not made the same way as the rest of NATURE... And yet, WE are as DEPENDENT on Nature as the rest of life here on earth; we cannot even yet manipulate TIME-SPACE, nor do we have the power to live forever as we desire in hearts to live.

Thus we come back to the CORE DEFINITION, to that which gives us our BEING.

Before WE EXISTED, there EXISTED a BEING who GAVE US OUR BEING. WE were MADE in HIS IMAGE.

Yes, our bodies are made up of particles. Just like a COMPUTER CHIP is made up of particles. But it wasn't a chimp in a zoo who designed the COMPUTER CHIP, WE designed IT. WE MANUFACTURE Computer Chips. WE CREATE Them to suit our need, to program as WE need. WITHOUT US Computer Chips have no USE. Elephants don't need them, dogs don't, neither do dolphins: HUMANS MAKE THEM AND NEED THEM. And what are the materials with which CHIPS are made? Sand, copper, gold, a little bit of arsenic, and perhaps some tin and/or germanium. If I put all of those materials together in a bucket, does that make a Computer Chip? NO!!! Those materials have to be manipulated in the correct sequence and with a precise design in order for them to become Computer Chips. So are HUMANS. We have the same materials that chimps have, yet any two year old child has more intellect than a fully grown chimp or gorilla.

That WE are made up of the SAME STUFF that the rest of the Universe is made up in no way makes us "children of the universe", just like COMPUTER CHIPS are not the "children of earth" just because they are made of the same stuff the crust of our planet is made up of: Earth did not produce the COMPUTER CHIP, but HUMAN BEINGS full of INTELLIGENCE deliberately made the COMPUTER CHIP. COMPUTER CHIPS are the brain child of HUMAN BEINGS. And even then, WE were just imitating the way WE were DESIGNED ourselves by a CREATOR. "NATURAL" processes had nothing to do with fabricating a COMPUTER CHIP. "NATURAL" processes have nothing to do with how we were made different than the rest of the animals in this planet. In FACT, in our HEARTS we have a BEACON calling us to HEAVEN, very far away from this planet. That is no product of "NATURE". IT is a BUILT IN DESIGN.

So, in the END, WE are made up of INFORMATION.

That INFORMATION has a PURPOSE.

Will we CEASE to BE when our bodies disentigrate? NO!!!

Our INFORMATION is not "natural", nor is it bound by TIME-SPACE.

The PART OF OUR INFORMATION which is bound to TIME-SPACE will cease to be temporarily.

The PART OF OUR INFORMATION which is not bound to TIME-SPACE will keep on existing.

The BEING Who MADE US in HIS IMAGE, will RECOMPILE US in the DESIGN we ourselves individually chose, whether to BE LIKE HIM WITH HIM, or to BE APART FROM HIM.

That REALITY appears to you as an "optical delusion" in no way annulls IT, otherwise why not just stop breathing and get off the "delusional" merry-go-around?

BECAUSE WE WANT TO EXIST!!!

Even though we daydream that REALITY is just a dream, IT DOESN'T STOP BEING REALITY.

No doubt that REALITY as WE know now will cease to be in some time to come; but as of now IT IS just so that WE understand that in the same way that there is an OBJECTIVE REALITY (however painful it is)[b] that WE cannot change just by closing our eyes, or daydreaming, there is a SUPER-REALITY of which our REALITY is a mere daydream, and it is OBJECTIVE, which means that the REALITY in which we EXIST now cannot change SUPER-REALITY, just like our daydreams cannot change the REALITY in which WE EXIST by sheer telepathy.

Think of it this way: you are a 20-year old high-school dropout bum resting on the beach in Cayo Ratones: and you wish that you were an engineer designing cars. Well, the only way to make that happen in REALITY is for you to get off your butt and finish high-school and go to college and graduate as an engineer.

WISHING doesn't cut it as far as REALITY is concerned. Same way with SUPER-REALITY...

[yautiawoman2]

[quote]Originally posted by El_Jibaro
[b]

Originally posted by VictorManuel
" A human being is part of the whole we call 'universe', a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separate from the rest-a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness."
=Albert Einstein

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Reacting to the Jib's Ranting rampantemente a través
de Puerto Rico.com

Jibaro started by posting about the WORD, now he means that he believes Hegel was right and Marx was wrong. (I guess Marx tenía a San Antonio puesto de cabeza y le salió Engles pa' explicar lo que Marx no podía explicar).

Vamos a ver si podemos educar al Jib/uo-op/op; the word has
meaning. In this forum (philosophy @pr.com)that means words people read must convey meaning because what you want is have people react to them so that you can post in reaction to those words.

Or maybe they do not want to post in reaction to them.

Now the question is what the word "meaning" means. It
all depends, com decian por estos Lares anoche, it depends on who has been "bingin'" on what?

I spend most of my time with non-Puerto Ricans, now I love
to come here to read and react to the people who post on
Puerto Rico.com; So let us start with one of the concerns
that I have; Social Justice.

Meaning has to do with etymology. Or maybe not. But for some people until you clarify the etymological question, no van pa ningun lao, mi pana!

You may say to me, como dice Christopher Hitchens "It all depends on what the word "meaning" means. So let me explain
"how" the word means first. In other words, let us put the words in context. Then let us see how we can see the word, in the vulgar sense of the WORD, not "There was the WORD
and, ay Dios mio, the WORD was GOD!"

But there was man and man was vulgar. He was naked.

If we have an idea about the Word, its original meaning as documented by the "Real Academia de la Lengua Española"then we can start with the "Official Story" but then there is the vernacular, eso es otro cantar, mi pana. that is based on the day to day life of the people el habla popular; the popular speech, or the story of the vulgo, you know, the common man, I mean los jodidos, not the professionals, not the diz que "middle class" de gringolandia (como los Joneses). Hablo de la opinión vulgar, common opinion. the opinion of ordinary men and women, gente "commonplace, trite, banal" en muchas ocasiones. (poco refinad@). Sometimes, ni nos caen muy bien que digamos; it is common to find such people using words considered "vulgaridad" sometimes one is not even aware of such usage nor does not understand it if one is not exposed to it regularly (te pasan palomas). I find that it can be done through small talk since such talk is not considered vulgar talk. One is really not using bad language, but to use "bad" language is rude (decir groserias).

Now in a multicultural context in Gringolandia we learn a lot of stuff that we think may be an (ideolect), the common language of everyday life of a specific individual; I will give you one example, we hear the use the word groceria, for example in the vernacular of one individual, to mean groceries (as in "voy pa la groceria, or voy a comprar grocerias, que quieres que te traiga?, o necesitas algo de la groceria? Now my reaction often is "Oh, no gracias; pa' que?, no te molestes, lo unico que hay son grocerias gringas" (no venden comestibles que me agraden i.e. yautias, malangas, platanos verdes...etc.) Now you know
you got a real Jibaro problem on your hands.

But often we lecture of who is really speaking the correct dialect of the Puerto Ricans. They you turn to who are the people we admire and read and listen to. Check out their words, check out their language, su retorica. Now you know my favorite is Ruben Berrios, although I love to listen to Martin. But Martin is more on the intellectual side, I find myself thinking and talking about "A Plow in the Stars" or
"Playboy of the Western World" con ese hay que pensar, con Ruben es cosa de disfrutar y ni siquiera uno se da cuenta que tiene que pensar.

Luego me acuerdo de otra cosa que siempre le digo a mis amigos indigenas. Look for the speeches with a lot of meaning for the person that is making that speech. That my friends are the words you need to be able to deliver in a tongue that you really want to know how to speak. That will give you the words that have meaning. Such is the case for me, I think about the words spoken by Juan Mari Brás on the day when he had to bury his son:

Palabras de Juan Mari Brás al momento de dar
sepultura a su hijo, Santiago Mari Pesquera

No pensaba intentar decir unas palabras esta tarde. Me lo impone un sentido de responsabilidad ante la historia que trasciende o debe trascender el torbellino de emociones que en estos momentos agita nuestra conciencia. Frente a la grandeza y trascendencia histórica de los mártires, no hay derecho ni siquiera a cobijarse en el inmenso cariño de la paternidad para negarle el adiós postrer a este mártir de la independencia patria, que llega aquí a juntar sus cenizas con las de Fefel y Raúl, con las de Albizu, Gilberto y De Diego y todos los que a lo largo de la historia han sembrado esa semilla que ya nadie puede detener, la semilla de la patria puertorriqueña.

Doloroso es, más que para nadie para su madre; doloroso es para su abuelo, doloroso es para sus hermanos, doloroso es para todos sus familiares , amigos y compañeros, este tránsito traumático resultado de la más abominable degeneración en sectores criminales de la especie humana.

Bien doloroso. Ya a nosotros no pueden causarnos un dolor mayor. Agotaron todos sus recursos. Ya no tienen en sus manos una manera de golpearnos más hondo. Y a Chagui, nuestro querido y tierno hijito, le decimos: Hijo, te recordaremos minuto tras minuto en el resto de esta lucha de todos nosotros, que será el resto de nuestras vidas. Mientras tanto, como si no le hubiésemos ofrecido suficiente a esta patria su madre, sus hermanos, su abuelo y el que habla, aquí dejamos, en la tierra del poema de Gautier Benítez, junto a Fefel y a Raúl, junto a los mártires de la patria, un mártir más.

Y nuestro único compromiso es transformar el martirologio en heroísmo. No es la venganza lo que puede animar los corazones de seres tan hondamente heridos, que no podrían satisfacerse con un sentimiento tan banal, pequeño y mezquino como la venganza. Solo cuando transformemos ese martirio en heroísmo, el pueblo entero, el pueblo amado de Puerto Rico por el que cayó Chagui, por el que han caído todos en esta jornada más que centenaria, levantará a los cielos el monumento de una patria nueva; de una patria hermosa, de una patria donde no puedan darse jamás crímenes como éste.



Documentos relacionados: • Comunicado de la familia - 24 de marzo de 2002
• Santiago Mari Pesquera
• Hechos del caso
• Palabras de Juan Mari Brás al momento de dar sepultura a su hijo
• Ponencia sobre el caso del asesinato de Santiago Mari Pesquera


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[El_Jibaro]

[b][i]Besides being angry and having PMS all the time as you are, I had hoped that you would think on the universal questions:

WHY AM I HERE? WHY AM I WHO I AM?

Obviously they are too high for your "look below the belt" mentality.

Oh, well .