La cultura y la estadidad

[conciencia]

There is a big difference! X-Fairy I am trying to figure out what exactly is it you mean. As far as I know every person that has been caught breaking the law by entering in federal property has been punished…I asked you before to provide a list of those that have not…still waiting!

X-fairy, The reputation has always been against the “soberanos” as aggressive or terrorist, yet we have seen these Statehooters commiting the real terrorist acts and worst. So where do we draw the line?

Whom ever breaks the law is responsible for his action, right? So what is your point?

The “N” word brings out many opinions…I have had this sort of debate with TruthAngel, the bottom line is that depending to whom or how you used make a great difference. I grew up in the Bronx, Brooklyn, Trenton, Philly areas in the ghettos, so I used it or we used it among friends or to insult a behind kisser, traitor or Chota! I have my own views of such a word. I am in the same plane as many second, third and fourth generation Ricans eastern and northerners culture. I gather you have not been here in the US that long to understand what I mean, hell even southerners in USA have a problem with such word…but we all have an opinion!

I cannot see how a Statehooter love Puerto Rico knowing that such status guarantees the Rican extinction!Unless you are a “masoquist”!

[Guaili-Cayniabon]

[i]Originally posted by X-fAiRy
i still oppose very STRONGLY againist the word n****r.. i dont like ppl using it, i find it offensive knowing that if we're puerto ricans we're all mixed with africans... regardless of how you used the word or what meaning you gave it... to me it always means the same thing and it degrades ppl...
i cant say anything about this thread, because i dont know a lot about Barbosa... so im gonna take this weekend to learn a bit mor about what he did...
and Conciencia.. i do want the things you posted... i want my "nacionalidad boricua" but i also want ppl to place flags, u.s and p.r's everywhere...
i respect both flags....i do care about my languaje (both of them!) i do want the naval base to leave vieques, not all pnp's think the way you mentioned.. i understand the things its doing to the ppl that live on that island... ive been there, i stayed there and im still estadista...like i mentioned before, i dont consider myself "vendepatria" nor a terrorist, just because i want statehood... (i know you didnt call me that.. just in case)

[i]X-fairy:

I don't know how you can not know much about Barbosa when you are for statehood, shame on you!!! Naughty-Naughty ...Do you know who Carlos Romero Barcelo is??? I hope so, don't get mad, I'm just teasing, but the fact is, alot of us Independentistas know more about Statehood and it's history then Statehooders themselves do. I invite you to read what I wrote on pages 2 and 3 of the thread: "El verdadero significado de la palabra estado"
Click here >[/b] http://www.puertorico.com/forums/sho...5&pagenumber=2

It is the post titled "La estadidad no va". You need to know that history. Also you should study the history of all the political partys past and present figures.

Names to know besides the 2 statehooder clowns we've already mentioned... you should know who Jose De Diego is, Betances, Lola Rodriguez de Tio,
Luis Muñoz Marin , (The slime that the word vendepatria was invented for who betrayed Puerto Rico's independence and sovereignty), Eugenio Maria de Hostos, Albizu Campos... or to make things easier

click here > http://welcome.topuertorico.org/culture/famouspr.shtml

What's fun about this site, you'll get to listen to the sounds of the coqui as you read!!! Enjoy your studies, let me know if there is any other info you would like to learn about

Los espero en la República... El Nene de Río Grande
http://www.gotopuertorico.com

P.S. - for future reference, you should also learn all you can about my dear friend María de Lourdes Santiago, she is the future of the Republic

[Edited by Guaili-Cayniabon on 29th June 2002 at 22:14]

[EL_BORICUA]

No it wont happen the day after(God forbid)Puerto Rico
becomes a state,but it will with time.
The so-called "Estadidad Jibara" is a myth and will never
become reality,it will be statehood American style.
In this post 9/11 U.S.A. there will be a renewed effort
for english as an official language,Texas has done away
with bilingual education and is now trying what they call
total immersion into english,one country one language.
The poor Hawaiians whose culture is now on display for
tourist know well what loss of culture and country is.
Here are a few sites on Hawaii and Hawaiian independence.
http://www.hawaii-nation.org/index.html
http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/ar.../in/in10a.html
And here is a couple that show what some Americans think of
Puertorican statehood.
http://www.zolatimes.com/V2.10A/prico.html
http://www.antiwar.com/rep/szamuely4.html
Enjoy the reading!
PS: the second link is not working but you can read the
article by clicking the link at the Hawaii Indep.Page
"Attorney sues to cut native funding"

[Ecuajey]

Better yet, go to this thread where more than 60 websites about Puerto Rico (Many with descriptions of them.) are listed. Click here: Websites about Puerto Ricans

[Guaili-Cayniabon]

[i]Originally posted by EL_BORICUA
No it wont happen the day after(God forbid)Puerto Rico
becomes a state,but it will with time.
The so-called "Estadidad Jibara" is a myth and will never
become reality,it will be statehood American style.
In this post 9/11 U.S.A. there will be a renewed effort
for english as an official language,Texas has done away
with bilingual education and is now trying what they call
total immersion into english,one country one language.
The poor Hawaiians whose culture is now on display for
tourist know well what loss of culture and country is.
Here are a few sites on Hawaii and Hawaiian independence.
http://www.hawaii-nation.org/index.html
http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/ar.../in/in10a.html
And here is a couple that show what some Americans think of
Puertorican statehood.
http://www.zolatimes.com/V2.10A/prico.html
http://www.antiwar.com/rep/szamuely4.html
Enjoy the reading!
PS: the second link is not working but you can read the
article by clicking the link at the Hawaii Indep.Page
"Attorney sues to cut native funding"

[i]Knowing some "Kamahainas" (Hawaiian natives) as well as some "Haoles" (Caucasians residing in Hawaii ) I can attest to the demise of thier cultural heritage.

Their language (Pigin) is largely extinct, replaced by english and spoken only by a few "Kamahainas", who deeply resent when "Haoles" try to speak it and misprononce it. Everybody must speak english, there is no bi-lingual society there

Thier music has seen a decline too, in large part due to the american influence of Hollywood and their "chessy" vision of Native Pacific music. There is a huge difference between authentic Hawaiian music and the watered down, americanized version (Listen Hawaiian music on the KINE website, http://www.hawaiian105.com )

Many "Kamahainas" work hard to preserve thier heritage, but it is being rapidly eroded by the above-mentioned "haole" influence and Hollywood-style portrayal of Hawaiian Culture. They see it as being analog to a Orlando Theme Park, you can see a Castle on the Magic Kindom, or a simulation of a forest, but it is not the real thing.

Hawaii is an expensive place to live too. Cars are almost a luxury, and new cars are not very common. People value old jeeps, for they come handy to travel through the many beat-up and un-kept roads, hardly anybody uses air conditioning and housing can be prohibitly expensive There is hardly any dairy industry in Hawaii, and most food, including milk, must be brought from the mainland U.S. Unemployment is higher than the mainland U.S. and so is poverty. Unlesss you work in the tourism industry or in the military, there are not many good jobs. The main industry is tourism from Japan and the mainland.

Do not get me wrong, Hawaii is one of the most beautiful places on the planet (First is Puerto Rico of course ), and it is not a bad place to live. But it is harder than in the U.S. mainland, and there is tension between the Kamahainas and Haoles

Most Hawaiian agree they could be just as well as an independent country since they have learned to live a lifestyle that, while comparable with the mainland U.S., it is more frugal and tougher. (They pride themselves in the philosophy of "do with less or do without", and in the non-written rule that you only work until the day's work is done, the rest of the day is for yourself).

They have also learned to properly exploit the island's natural beauty, since they have no mineral of agricultural industry of significant value. They really appreciate the tourists, since they bring most of the revenue. (Hawaii is facing a real economic crisis, since the 9-11 attacks put a huge blow to the tourist-industry revenue)

Puerto Rico can do the same, control the population and exploit the tourism industry to full capacity. We already live a frugal lifestyle and we even have an advantage over Hawaii, since we do have a significant food industry.

Los espero en la República... El Nene de Río Grande
http://www.gotopuertorico.com[b]

Trabajar y preparar a Puerto Rico para la estadidad es como prepararlo para la independencia, una vez que alcancemos esa condición, para que queremos la estadidad.

[Ecuajey]

Thanks for the website about Hawaiian independence, a great read!

[Desenmascarador]

Que mucha "m" hablan estos separatistas de cuneta!!!!