Solo 2.8% ven el futuro!

[Nacionalista]

Originally posted by El_Jibaro

Una vez mas, el agua-fiestas.

Quiere doctrinar a todos sobre le estadidad, pero no entiende nada (absolutamente nada) sobre la estadidad.

Mire compay, Puerto Rico ha sido una republica desde Septiembre 23 del 1868, pero actualmente no-soberana.

Pronto Manny, muy pronto veras la Republica de Puerto Rico, soberana, desde tu apartamento seccion 8 en Nueva Jersey.

[Ecuajey]

Originally posted by Nacionalista
Quiere doctrinar a todos sobre le estadidad, pero no entiende nada (absolutamente nada) sobre la estadidad.

Mire compay, Puerto Rico ha sido una republica desde Septiembre 23 del 1868, pero actualmente no-soberana.

Pronto Manny, muy pronto veras la Republica de Puerto Rico, soberana, desde tu apartamento seccion 8 en Nueva Jersey.

Bien dicho.

[Guaili-Cayniabon]

[i]Originally posted by El_Jibaro
Re: ¿República de Puerto Rico sin el apoyo del 97.2% del Pueblo?

[i]Veamos las diferencias del apoyo partidista a la estadidad:

Partido Republicano en 1952:
Favorecemos la estadidad inmediata para Hawaii. Favorecemos la estadidad para Alaska bajo una ley habilitadora equitativa. Favorecemos la estadidad eventual para Puerto Rico (Notese el énfasis en la palabra EVENTUAL ). Más adelante hacen mención de la estadidad inmediata para Hawaii y Alaska y dejan a Puerto Rico fuera

Partido Demócrata:
El Partido Demócrata fue más ambiguo pues en 1944 apoyaba que toda gestión que afectara a Puerto Rico debía ser dirigida a la estadidad como meta, pero luego cambian y dicen que "Nos comprometemos, una vez más a respaldar el ELA, su desarrollo y crecimiento... El gobierno federal debe limitarse a desempeñarse en aquellas funciones necesarias para la existencia del Pacto."

Esta es la teoría de un pasito para atrás y otro para adelante, es que apoyar sin compromiso lleva a lo que ha llevado, que en ciento cuatro años, ni un solo proyecto pro estadidad se ha radicado, ni se va a radicar

Trabajar y preparar a Puerto Rico para la estadidad es como prepararlo para la independencia, una vez que alcancemos esa condición, para que queremos la estadidad.

Los espero en la República... El Nene de Río Grande
http://www.gotopuertorico.com

[El_Jibaro]

[b][i]I guess that Nacionalista, Ecuajey and el Guajiro-Chabón are all alter-egos of this fellow forumite, since they all answered for her ...

[Desenmascarador]

Pero jodido como las demas republicas bananeras!!

Sera que el 2.8% tiene la razon o sera que la mayoria ve mejor y mas que ellos??

Tanta gente no puede estar equivocada!!

Parasitos son los que critican a la nacion de la cual son ciudadanos, se quieren separar de ella, pero disfrutan de todos los beneficios que en ella se encuentran!!

[negraboricua69]

Tranquilo, Jibaro, I’m here, I just have a life outside this forum! However, your queries and the responses of my brothers and sisters(?) are gratefully welcomed.

<<On JESUS (who is my God) and Moses…I am the minority…>>

The discussions in this forum reflect the current situation in the Puerto Rican experience, where we (those who advocate a peaceful transition/evolution to a Puerto Rican republic) are in the “minority.”

<<"Give Caesar what belongs to Caesar and give GOD what belongs to GOD!" … "give Washington what belongs to it".>>

Oh my God. Jibaro, you are really out there, my brother! This is just stunning rhetoric that baffles the mind. Anyway, in my opinion, the US (as Caesar) has taken a whole lot already, through extraordinary land appropriation for military use, the fleecing of the Puerto Rican labor force, the PUERTO RICAN embargo (quick, how many Puerto Rican-owned companies trade with Latin America, Europe and Asia?), the corporate tax allowances that should have been channeled to Puerto Rican infrastructure agencies decades ago, the “population control” on my Boricua sisters a few decades ago (“La Operación”), the political and social incursion (“Las Carpetas”)…should I go on? Don’t you get it? The underpinnings of Puerto Rico/US relations are made of one dirty material on top of another.

Okay, they’ve given us money (like pay-offs from the Mafia) and they’ve protected us (from…El Cuco?). San Juan is corporate and technological leader in the Caribbean and Latin America — corporations and technology (and their associated revenues) belonging to US and foreign concerns!!! PUERTO RICO IS A MALL, A PORT, A RESORT AND A MILITARY OUTPOST FOR THE U.S. — EVERYTHING (AND EVERYONE) ELSE IS EXPENDABLE. That arrangement has been working just fine for the US, and the ELA and estadistas have been jumping for joy over the bones they’ve been throwing at us. It’s about evolution, mi hermano — it’s time to move on because the choices have been made for us by the powers that be. Once again, you and the rest of your cadre can plant 10 million US flags around the Island, it still won’t make it a US state. What other options do you have? Will you brake into House of Representatives at gunpoint? Oh wait…

<<I want my People to have at least 7 Congressmen (five Representatives and two Senators), so that my People have access to the Power that rules them. >>

Well, in the Republic, you’d probably have more than that! So far as the US, it’s been 104 years…get a clue…they don’t want our people to have “the Power.”

<<I also want my People to be able to choose the President that will draft their sons and daughters in the next big war. >>

Oh God, what’s with this warmonger stuff, bro?! You’ve been watching too much CNN. Go get a job at Raytheon or General Dynamics so you can get your jollies off. Unlike the thinking of our current Executive Branch, the economy and our society should not be based on the specter of war. I highly respect our Boricua veterans and the idea of defending democratic liberties. What’s happening now and what has happened in Latin America has been something different. Our people, in our Republic, would choose the President that would draft their sons and daughters in the evolution of the Puerto Rican nation, its industries and its economic, trade and cultural alliances with Latin America, the Iberian peninsula and the World.

<<… there is no better way to guarantee that their rights and duties are performed and respected fully than to be a FEDERATED STATE.>>

Okay, but it’s not up to them — it’s up to the Congress of the United States, who, for the last 104 years, have said “Puerto Rico WILL NOT be a state of the Union.” What part of 104 years of “No” don’t you understand? How much longer are you, or the rest of the Statehood party, willing to wait? Another 104 years? There will be another colony — on Mars — before Puerto Rico becomes a state!

<<…Government that on the most part has had honorable dealings with Puerto Rico during that time [since 1952].>>

COINTELPRO, Cerro Maravilla, La Operación, the ever-growing land appropriations for military use, the Puerto Rican embargo, corporate fleecing, free-loading, and waste on our Island — all within your “honorable dealing” time period, Jibaro.

<< If Puerto Rico had all the powers of a Federated State, this neglect [Vieques] that the Navy has perpetrated would probably not happened at all.>>

You’re probably right. However, this “neglect” is a question of democracy. The PEOPLE have collectively cried and screamed, “Stop the Bombings” since WAY before the rise in cancer, lung/skin disease, infant death rates and the killing of David Sanes Rodríguez. The People, Jibaro. In a democracy, the collective voice of THE PEOPLE (as in, “We the People…”) is supposed to stand for something. It’s 2002. The Navy will resume their war maneuvers on Vieques shortly. And so far as the May 2003 date for the Navy to close its operations there, I wouldn’t hold my breath. THE WAR is more important (lucrative) than THE PEOPLE. And even if they do leave, it will have been on their terms, in their time. More “honorable dealings” for you. Just remember, Jibaro, the difference between a soldier and a terrorist is capital; the difference between a terrorist attack and a military operation is the weaponry that can be afforded.

<<…men filled with hate and bent on world domination…>>

That’s the US Congress and the multinational corporations you’re describing, who already dominate a good portion of the world! I have no sympathy for anyone who would destroy innocent lives — US, Muslim, Israeli or anyone else. The guilty should be punished, period. I just have a problem when the emphasis is on punishing (and making a profit at the same time) rather than finding the guilty. You have to understand, Jibaro, when war becomes a major industry, peace and justice have little shelf space and a very small marketing budget. In fact, when peace and justice become part of the marketing campaign for war, dishonorable becomes a way of life.

<<…for their past stupidity does not deny the FACT that they [the Navy] SERVE ME, the American Citizen.>>

If this was the case, there would not be a Vieques issue and David Sanes Rodríguez would still be with us. The Navy serves government and the government serves the economy. The military manufacturers serve the economy and the government and the Navy. It’s that simple. Somewhere in there, they “defend” us. However, all that f***ing money and technology and they couldn’t “defend” us from September 11. Why? Because there’s more business in war than in “defense.” The War Department changed its name, but not its practice or its interests. Remember “The Matrix,” how those robots were breeding humans to feed off their energy? That’s who we are, Jibaro, taxpayers feeding money to the robots of the War Department. This is whom you want to hand over Puerto Rico to? More than half of your 97.2% along with the other 2.8% would burn the Island to the ground before that happens, my Jibaro friend — mark my words. This isn’t fun and games anymore. We’ve given everything else a shot, “Abre Los Ojos” and let’s move on already.

<< I rather trust a drunk cop than a Puerto Rican Hoodlum with his Pit-Bull roaming on my street…>>

A drunken cop killed two Puerto Rican kids and a woman who was eight months pregnant a few months ago in New York City. Choose your references carefully. I agree on the issue of accountability, but the laws are still very inadequate. Someone who represents and defends the law should be punished twice as much for his or her trespasses, in my humble opinion.


Esta es la teoría de un pasito para atrás y otro para adelante, es que apoyar sin compromiso lleva a lo que ha llevado, que en ciento cuatro años, ni un solo proyecto pro estadidad se ha radicado, ni se va a radicar
--Guaili-Cayniabon

Excelente punto. Es de esta etapa que le estoy haciendo las preguntas al Señor Jíbaro. El tiempo de razón, motivo y pretexto de gran peso para incorporar a la Isla como estado federado, ya paso(los años de la Guerra Fria); si los EEUU estaban serio en algún momento, no estuviéramos buscando letra a esta canción. Por lo que veo, el concepto de la estadidad tiene un fuerte techo — El Congreso de los EEUU. Pues, puedes hacer el mismo argumento sobre la independencia, pero recuérdate, más de la mitad (los que favorecen el ELA) de ese dato favorito de El_Jibaro, 97.2% no comparten el deseo de “entregarle” Puerto Rico totalmente al gobierno estadounidense.


— ROBERT COANE (http://www.atelier-rc.com/RCOANE.html)

Look, Jibaro, THIS is the experience of a real Puerto Rican jibaro. Don’t forget this image, as you begin your journey toward the Republic.

La NegraBoricua

[El_Jibaro]

[i]Yours is a materialistic universe, dominated by obscure causes.

I acknowledge that el Cerro Maravilla was a great big idiotic event for which the people involved have gotten big time in jail. In the meantime, Cuba, the land that provides you with the intelligence directives for your obscure cause kills and imprisons hundreds if not thousands of Cubans in the middle of the night. You see, you focus all your energies and pathos on two or three cases of injustice while your team perpetrates hundreds of times more brutality. Isn't that odd?

I grew up in a home where Mao's little red book had more importance than the Bible. My own Mom was a card carrying Communist Party member in NYC back in the days before McCarthy. I cut my teeth reading Communist propaganda (El Claridad) before I formed my own opinions back when I was a teenager in the 1970's. Oddly enough, it was "Claridad" itself which opened my eyes when it advocated the "social experiment" that Pol Pot was doing in Cambodia. When my own Dad said: "I think that society has to be purged first of all reactionary elements, even if that means the death of thousands", that was the dawning for me on HOW SICK is the world of Marxist Independentismo, which by the way, your own written jargon parrots to very iota.

So, you can "welcome"[b] me to whatever utopian republic you want to concoct in your Marxist Inspired mind, but I and the other 97.2% of Puerto Ricans say "NO THANKS!"

I am not dispising you.

I do dispise Marxism for all the evil it is though.

The USA is imperfect, but next to it, your ideological cause is the very echo of the EVIL EMPIRE I and the rest of my X-Generation fought and overcame in 1989 .