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[Suki]

Miranda,

I like what you write...lol. Anyone with strong opinions and not living in pro-USA disneyland is hard for certain people to deal with anyway...lol.

I tried to get a book by Gore Vidal the other day...and that one was censored too....or let us say not distributed vigorously....lol. Bookstores unless independently owned and operated are becoming corporations subject to corporate interests as well....let us see how information will be controlled after 9/11....lol. And how much of our "supposed" civil liberties are going to be worth to a paranoid government and crazy military who have sucked at intelligence and suck at foreign policy. Vamos a ver el trapo de democracia que hay aqui....lol. Donde la gente no votan, la gente no sabe na' de na' y donde el gobierno hace cosas y nadie se entera hasta un millon de anos despues que ocurrio...lol.

[Poncepr68]

L_F Miranda,

I pass on nothing! By the way are you that much of an idiot? Of course I know the meaning of BOY towards African Americans, and even as it does not carry the same meaning, it is still a disrespectful comment when used towards a person you do not even know.

Then we have the ones that are plain hateful towards a country that they find themselves living in becuase of enconomical reasons and they have the guts to call the military and or government a prostitute to the highest bidder. I am no religious man but there is a saying that goes something like this "HE(SHE) WHO IS FREE OF SIN MAY CAST THE FIRST STONE!"

[Edited by Poncepr68 on 1st September 2002 at 22:35]

[L_F_Miranda]

Suki said:

"I like what you write...lol. Anyone with strong opinions and not living in pro-USA disneyland is hard for certain people to deal with anyway...lol."

Thanks Suki

"I tried to get a book by Gore Vidal the other day...and that one was censored too....or let us say not distributed vigorously....lol."

The Gore Vidal book is available. It's a strange book that tries to explain , of all people, Thimothy McViegh. Although he commited an unspeakable horror, the guy, according to his court assigned psychiatrist was not crazy.

The French book is Definately NOT AVAILABLE for sale in the U.S. Amazon is trying to get it distributed but it's running into "red Tape"

[L_F_Miranda]

Poncepr68 dijo:

"I pass on nothing! By the way are you that much of an idiot? Of course I know the meaning of BOY towards African Americans, and even as it does not carry the same meaning, it is still a disrectful comment when used towards a person you do not even know."

Oye Ponce esto esta sonando como un dime y te direte pueblerino. De vez en cuando uno puede romper con la seriedad y seguir el hilo pero ya es tiempo que nos dediquemos a algo menos superficial. ¿No crees?

Me gustaría que me dieras tu opinion sobre mi posting," Is Statehood in our Future."

Los estadistas no se oyen, ¿quizas tú tendrás OTRA opinión?

Ponce continua con su corraje:

"Then we have the ones that are plain hateful towards a country that they find themselves living in becuase of enconomical reasons and they have the guts to call the military and or government a prostitute to the highest bidder."

Anda pal Cará, se te están saliendo tus verdaderos sentimientos. Hay puertorriqueños que se ENCOJONAN por que los que viven en los estados unidos tienen opiniones contrarias a la ralea. Es curioso que se las tiran de tolerantes "American style" pero en el momento de la verdá, salen los verdaderos sentimeintos.

Ponce dijo:

"I am no religious man but there is a saying that goes something like this "HE(SHE) WHO IS FREE OF SIN MAY CAST THE FIRST STONE!" [/b][/quote]

Hombre tomate una cervecita, esto no es para tanto. calmate.
Esta vendeta publica se ve mal. ¿Por que no seguimos esto por correo electronico. Como no tengo nada que esconder aqui esta el mio, PipePR@aol.com.

Mientras tanto aqui termino esto. No es mi estilo.

[Suki]

Originally posted by Poncepr68
L_F Miranda,


Then we have the ones that are plain hateful towards a country that they find themselves living in becuase of enconomical reasons and they have the guts to call the military and or government a prostitute to the highest bidder. I am no religious man but there is a saying that goes something like this "HE(SHE) WHO IS FREE OF SIN MAY CAST THE FIRST STONE!"

Suki: Yep, now I am hateful towards the hand that feeds me crap. How about all those USA companies and corporations in Puerto Rico that made millions in profits and due to the old 936 never paid taxes for years and years....How do they demonstrate loyalty to the island that made them rich? No, you don't think like that Ponce....you only defend the interests of whoever gives you a paycheck. Some people think if you work and get paid for it, you should be grateful. NO. I do not think so. Work and being paid for it, is a right....not a privelege. But in capitalism they have brainwashed you into believing that if you get paid you should be grateful because there are people who are unemployed and have empty stomachs. I think empty stomachs, and unemployed people who desire to work but due to sucky system can't find a job should not be lapdogs waiting for a bone from the ones who do not care for them in general...but should be critical thinkers and realize that all have a right to clean air, clean water, work, being paid a fair wage for work, health and a free education for their children and decent housing....without having to sell their loyalty to a callous government who does not really care if the poor or the disenfranchised have a voice or have a stake in their own futures. No, that would make me selling myself (my sense of choice and sense of worth) for a crust of bread. And people who get irritated by that. Lol. Are miffed because I do not share their vision of what I owe my employer. My employer should get honesty and a decent day's work labor out of me. But they should not think they own me Ponce. And many capitalistic companies, treat workers like chattel and they lie and cheat and steal from their chattel. Enron, MCI world.com and etc. are fine examples of what I am talking about. Mientras que ellos piensen que el hombre y la mujer trabajadora deben de ser sus siervos y ellos no tienen que respetarlos tampoco tendran mi lealtad. Lol

Hey Miranda, what should be done about people who do not see the US government as their savior? I guess Ponce would favor the government coming in to my home and dragging me out to the street and throwing me in jail to be fed bread and water until I lick their boots and say...."thank you USA for letting me eat, and sleep and work in your land. And thank you for giving me the right to vote only if I leave my birth island. And if I vote locally on my island any person who I elect is subject to your desires and not the other way around...and if I owe taxes you will charge me with interests and no retroactive limitations...but if you owe me taxes no interest will be paid. Thank you for if I have legal problems I must pay out of pocket and whoever has the deepest pockets gets the speediest justice" La verdad es que tienes pantalones Ponce en decir lo que dices. La lavada de cerebro que te hizo el gobierno estadounidense en las fuerzas armadas ha sido muy profunda y arraigada.

Yo no fumo, no bebo alcohol, no como carne, tan siquiera como azucar refinada. Trabajo, estudie muchos anos y pague de mi bolsillo y no de mi esposo, o de mis padres o del gobierno por mi educacion. Pago y seguire pagando impuestos elevados porque no tengo hijos ni dependientes y contribuyo mas a esta sociedad de lo que me beneficio ( y eso es muy diferente a la falta de contribuciones que hicieron todas esas industrias en Puerto Rico bajo 936 por tantos anos) pero tu no ves nada de eso tampoco. No eres un mono que no oyes, ni ves, ni piensas pero si defiendes tu vision de los que te emplean. El esclavo se ha manisfestado hoy. Si tu te sientes agradecido y feliz a los que te han dado pan pues bien. Yo con el record de la patada en el trasero que tiene el gobierno estadounidense con los veteranos de armas biologicas y quimicas del golfo persico yo no estuviera tan confiada de que ese gobierno tan lindo que tu pintas va hacer lo moral si tu eventualmente te perjudicas Ponce. Por que si eres un estorbo en vez de carne de canon vas a verle la carita de verdad al Tio Sam. Y esa carita no tiene mucha compasion. Lol...y tu tienes la arrogancia de decir que yo soy una mal agradecida....que pantalones Ponce. Y que cabeza hueca tambien. Lol. Sigue con tu basofia. Que no tiene efecto hoy ni manana lo tendra tampoco.

[Edited by Suki on 1st September 2002 at 18:33]

[Poncepr68]

Suki,

Do you think for one second that you being grateful or ungrateful has any meaning to me? You better wake up and smell the coffee! Just like what ever it is that I do should not make you lose any sleep so stop playing this little cat and mouse games! You will believe what ever it is that you believe in, simple enough for you? It is quite obvious that we hold different beliefs when it comes to the USA and Puerto Rico if you do not like to be questioned or criticized, simple do not do it to others! I live in a country that hates Americans regardless what there background, race, religion and or whatever it is that you can come up with, so whatever your hate is trust me I really do not care. Your hate is hypocritical in my view and trust me I may be wrong, but what I do know is that you pose no threat to me or those that I hold dear, so as you see I have bigger fish to fry and you are not it. I do not like your way of thinking and this has nothing to do with what you feel or say about the USA, so do not think that this is the reason for me arguing with you. So do yourself a favor get off this I defend who pays me! By the way if you think that a paycheck is what keeps over 2 million or so folks (250+ thousand Puerto Ricans) in the military you have much to learn, much to learn.

[Poncepr68]

L_F Miranda,

Yo tampoco tengo nada que esconder mi email esta abierto solo tienes que buscar en mi "PROFILE" o haz un click en "MAIL".

Aqui no hay nada de verdaderos sentimientos! Solamente que veo unos que son hipocritas y se las canto, pero eso no les gusta y entonces se reducen a lo que se llama SERIOUSLY JOKING lo dicen de relajo pero es lo que sienten.

Yo solo digo que si vas a criticar mi forma de vida entonces senores o senoras no vivan de la misma forma! Explico; no te gusta los EEUU, mudese y si no lo puede hacer entonces no critique al que le gusta!