Puerto Rico 2000

[Cagueno]

Beaney:

Have you gone to college and studied a real profession? Maybe you live at home with your Mom and Dad. Maybe MTV is all you see, and never made an effort to study history, economics, finances, and science. There is a world outside of parties, drugs and alcohol out there. Maybe the only sex you know is to exploit some unfortunate soul out there, without ever considering staying around to foot the bill when an accidental kid you procreated needs food, health and shelter. Brainwashing, never got off the ground as a science, but it has nearly become a reality in the millions of kids out there watching MTV all the time, that have stop using their own brains to let some TV producer out there in Hollywood decide what they should wear and how to live; kids that don’t even read books, that don’t know what a library is outside of surfing porno sites. It is time to stop living in the haze of the last marihuana joint and take some responsibility.

[BEECHO]

Cagueño:
Beecho stands for; "bee"= I sting like a bee when I talk (I tell it like it is), and "cho" from mucho, meaning a lot. What you and most people get from my name is "bicho" meaning one of two things; an insect, or a male body part. I did it to see the reaction of people to see how perverted they think.

I wasn't speaking of everyone as a "terrorist", just to the indepentistas that are so stupid you could hand them a pile of manure and tell them it tastes like Taino chocolate and they would eat it! That is why they are such easy targets for the wrong people to influence, so we "pro-statehood" supporters have to work twice as hard on them just for them to even understand what would be the REAL result of their endevor. They already have real freedom but, because they have been so "brain-washed" with
anti-americano they can't think for themselves. Puerto Ricans in Puerto Rico act more and more like any other Joe in the US
some people won't realize it unless they travel to South America. One person I used to know a long time a go told me that he was a real pro Puerto Rico self goverment until he had problems with the law in a 3rd world country but it took the US goverment to get him out of there, he told me that when he saw the US Airline and the wonderful treatment he received once he was in the US (from the airline until he got to PR) he knew right then and there that the US was and will always be his country to include Puerto Rico.

[This message has been edited by BEECHO (edited 13 September 1999).]

[Ajo]

It is funny to read you guy's messages saying what is better for PR, when NONE of you guys live in PR.

[Cagueno]

Garlic:

Most of us have to move over here because we are forced to. Some of the people in Puerto Rico are so well established that they don't let anything thrive around them. Also, there is allot less crime around these woods (why?). Men, considering things, I wouldn't have half the things I have in my home in Puerto Rico without some envious "vecino" to make my life miserable, let alone some "maleante" taking it away from me. Yep, things are bad in Puerto Rico, but it is not the political system, or the economic system, or the geography, it is the bad Puerto Ricans who are always crying "unfair" and always covetting what others have that make it such a miserable place. Yep, lots of Puerto Ricans live their lives braking the tenth commandment - "Thou shall not covet thy neighbor's...". I guess it goes with living in one of the most beautiful places in the world, it is never enough, one has never enough of anything.

[beany]

Sorry to be on the defensive, but Cagueno-
I am in college. I haven't lived with my mom for seven years now, and I have never had television in my own home. I have been studying peace and conflict for some years now and so far one of the strongest lessons I have learned is that everyone has their own oppinions and most people believe in them strongly. People will always think that they are right while others are wrong--and that is OK but if we ever want to rise above violence we all need to learn how to communicate more effectively by trying to understand where the "other" is coming from. I don't think that means that everyone needs to agree, obviously that is impossible. I am definately not claiming to be anywhere close to an expert! I agree with you that everyone needs to take on some responsibility, I just think that the "Leftist Movement" sees reality in a different way than you, but that doesn't mean that they cannot perceive reality. I'm not trying to defend anyone, I'm just trying to encourage more openess in this forum.

[Ajo]

Cagueno,
Nobody forced you to move, YOU choose to do it. About less crime, it is all depend where you live. Move to a big city in the US and read the newspaper, it is the same BS that is going on in PR, i.e. crimes, drugs, etc.

[This message has been edited by Ajo (edited 15 September 1999).]

[Cagueno]

Beany:

I have been in the Leftist Movement [I read Mao's little Red Book, protested in PR for "injustices", been at the Socialist Festivals; my own mom was a card carrying communist way back before the McCarthy era...hey I suspect she came back to Puerto Rico fleeing those investigations]. So I have been there, done that... As a matter of fact, I am 36 years old, an Aerospace Engineer, and I still make less moeny than would qualify me to be in the Middle Class [therefore I consider myself poor]. However, sonny I have seen that there is such as thing as True Information and False Information. Hey, without the Truth we engineers could not make the wonderful world of technology work [you will never see a concrete house fly unassisted (wings and engines or a helium baloon)]. That is why I chose to study Real Science and not your Socio-Humanistic Sciences, because I want the Truth, what can be proved beyond a doubt. Communism, Socialism and similar philosophies [Anarchism] ignore the Truth, they just make a Philosophical Construct dettached from empirical evidence and arrogantly proclaim that they are the sole representative of the Wellbeing of Humanity, no matter if they have to kill most of Humanity in the Process [remember the Khmer Rouge, and Sendero Luminoso?].

To Garlic:

New York City with more than 11 million inhabitants only has 270 murders a year, compared to Puerto Rico's 3.75 million and our 1300 murders a year. Garlic, it doesn't pay to IGNORE the facts.