Rude Puerto Rico Middle-Class

[Ecuajey]

Originally posted by Joshue
What is you point then?
I start by boooing the article of Orlando, because it took a simple incident completely out of proportion.
You said that all teenagers don't act like that.
and that Reebok/Nike stuff is what brought the Americanization/westernization, my reply with the bamboo sandal one, was to Imply to you, that even you are part of the consumerism that you think is Americanization.
Is not Americanization, because the majority of the stocks are foreign owned.
Even then you brought Japan up, because I said that having Japanese products is not Japanization. You try to put a website i refuted with the bussinessweek one proving to you that in this trading mess Japan is almost always the winner. Then you abandon economics and shift to the Americanization only mode, by bringing the Halloween in Japan stuff, and I brought up that those that you claimed to be the cause have also get influence from the outside, that having Mexican food in America is not Mexicanisation.
You continue to push the Americanization, without refuting the simple point that foreign commerce and products is not domination of the receiving culture, and told you that since the beginning of history this had been happening, before were wheat, leather and clothing. Now is computers, xbox, and even factory sectors, and the standard goods. Now your point is that I apparently discovered that cultural exchanges are actually out there, and that proved somehow your point. Negative That proved my point, that your whole close culture, is your myth, That was never the Puerto Rico that I grew up, and that trade will always influence every culture, every culture, let me say this again every culture, even the American one, that according to you apparently, Americanize other culture.Seriously flat out, if i missed something. What is really your point?

Could you do me a favor? Proof read you posts, I can barely understand what you wrote.

Here is my point in a nutshell, because even though you attempted to sum up all our posts, you obviously cut out a lot of specifics and you also interpret them as you wish, which if they matched my views of things, we would not still be conversing on this matter. My point in a nutshell: [/b]External influences, specifically Westernization, is a reality.[/b] Whether it is due through commerce or economics or whatever, which I never attempted to prove, but continued to comment on, because you kept insisting, is not my concern. The fact that you agree that nations do influence eachother and change eachother's cultures proves my point, if which was not clear before should be now.

[Joshue]

Originally posted by Ecuajey

Could you do me a favor? Proof read you posts, I can barely understand what you wrote.

Here is my point in a nutshell, because even though you attempted to sum up all our posts, you obviously cut out a lot of specifics and you also interpret them as you wish, which if they matched my views of things, we would not still be conversing on this matter. My point in a nutshell: External influences, specifically Westernization, is a reality.[/b] Whether it is due through commerce or economics or whatever, which I never attempted to prove, but continued to comment on, because you kept insisting, is not my concern. The fact that you agree that nations do influence eachother and change eachother's cultures proves my point, if which was not clear before should be now. [/b]

But also proves mine, that the westernization, is really an illusion, because the western nations, are beign influence too, because of exactly that, nations are never going to be cocoons.

[Ecuajey]

Originally posted by Joshue
But also proves mine, that the westernization, is really an illusion, because the western nations, are beign influence too, because of exactly that, nations are never going to be cocoons.

That is very true, Western nations are being influenced too. I guess we proved eachothers points, I find that quite funny, lol. However, let me be a jodón and add this: Following your logic, there is no Western culture, since it is influenced as well by external forces. As I see it, Western cultures are influencing non-Western cultures more, since Western cultures were the dominant forces for centuries around the world and since this world is still is not culturally homogenous, thus Western culture does exist and thus its influences.

Taco Bells are not owned by Mexicans nor do many Mexicans consider it "authentic Mexican food." (I hear that all the time, because I date a lot of them, lol)[/i]

[Joshue]

Originally posted by Ecuajey

That is very true, Western nations are being influenced too. I guess we proved eachothers points, I find that quite funny, lol. However, let me be a jodón and add this: Following your logic, there is no Western culture, since it is influenced as well by external forces. As I see it, Western cultures are influencing non-Western cultures more, since Western cultures were the dominant forces for centuries around the world and since this world is still is not culturally homogenous, thus Western culture does exist and thus its influences.

Taco Bells are not owned by Mexicans nor do many Mexicans consider it "authentic Mexican food." (I hear that all the time, because I date a lot of them, lol)[/i]

It look that way, because the mayority of the western nations are the one with more sucesfull bussines, but is not a political/cultural agenda/conspiracy.

[Ecuajey]

Originally posted by Joshue
It look that way, because the mayority of the western nations are the one with more sucesfull bussines, but is not a political/cultural agenda/conspiracy.

I never said there was a corporate agenda to influence culture. However, now that you mention it...Luis Orlando once told me years ago he read a report by Pesi Cola, which was sent to him upon request, which stated that one of the goals of the company was to have Indonesians drink Pepsi more than they do their cultural tea, lol.