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Old 10th April 2000, 13:05
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I have an attorney friend who told me his opinion on Elián. He changed his mind just recently, since he believed that Elián should be with his Dad. Here is what my attorney friend told me:

"Since last November, America has torn itself apart over the case of Elián Gonzales, the bright-eyed six- year-old who was found bobbing in the ocean off the Florida coast.

"Like many Americans, I've been ambivalent. On the one hand my commitment to family values made me believe that Elián's place was with his dad. But Castro is a ruthless tyrant, and nobody ought to be sent to Cuba.

"Last Thursday, my ambivalence ended. I believe Elián should not be turned over to his father, and I believe his father agrees with that.

"In last Thursday's Wall Street Journal, I learned that on November 22, Elián's father, Juan Gonzales, called Miami relatives to tell them Elián and his mother were on their way to America. A collect telephone bill proves the call was made. Three days later, fisherman rescued Elián off the Fort Lauderdale coast.

"The boy was taken to a hospital, where his Uncle Lazaro confirmed his identity, and he called Elián's father to let him know that his child was safe. A relieved Mr. Gonzales asked his uncle to care for the boy.

"At no time did Elián's father demand his return--that is, not until the Cuban government got involved. On November 27, Cuban authorities demanded the child be returned to Cuba. As the Wall Street Journal put it, "Not until that Monday did we hear from the boy's father, who was quoted as having had second thoughts about Elián and now concluded that he had been kidnapped."

"Now, I agree with those who argue that the sovereignty of the family should be respected. I agree: parents, not the state, should decide what's best for children. And I agree with those who say that if the boy had come from, let's say, Venezuela, we wouldn't hesitate to send him back.

"But that's exactly the point. Elián does NOT come from Venezuela. He comes from Cuba, which means his father is not a free agent. With Cuban authorities watching and listening, Mr. Gonzales cannot speak freely. It is Castro who is speaking.

"And there isn't an issue of the sovereignty of the family involved in any event: In Cuba, the child belongs to the state.

"Even if we didn't have the telephone call from Elián's father, asking Miami relatives to hang onto his son, we have the dramatic testimony of Janet Reno's friend, Sister Jeanne O'Laughlin, whom Reno appointed to mediate the negotiations between the boy's grandparents and the Cuban relatives in Miami. Sister Jeanne originally believed the boy should be sent back to Cuba. But she changed her mind after meeting Elián's grandmothers--and their Cuban handlers. She may have seen something very unstable about the grandmothers. Or perhaps she received a signal from them--and realized Elián would be better off in America.

"So now, the issue is clear: Does the United States give asylum to this boy, allowing him to stay where he wants to stay, in the country his mother died bringing him to? Or do we hand him back, not to his father, but to Fidel Castro? Remember, Cuban authorities claim that Elián is a possession, not of his father, but of the Cuban government.

"And for me, that makes the decision easy. Elián should stay."

I think my attorney friend has hit the nail right on the head!!! I wish I was as knowledgeable as he is on this and many other matters, but at least my heart had been telling me all along what took my friend to decide just recently.

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Old 10th April 2000, 13:48
EL_BORICUA EL_BORICUA is offline
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NO WAY CRIOLLO,
HE BELONGS WITH HIS FATHER AND THATS ALL
JUST BECAUSE THE FATHER LIVES IN CUBA DOES
NOT MAKE HIM A BAD FATHER,DOES HE LOVE HIS SON ANY LESS BECAUSE HE LIVES IN CUBA ?
THATS B.S. THE MAIN REASON THESE PEOPLE BRAVE
THE FLORIDA STRAITS IN INNER TUBES IS BECAUSE FO THE EMBARGO THAT IS ROBBING THE
REGULAR CUBAN IN THE STREET OF A WAY TO LIVE
FIDEL CASTRO WILL NOT GO HUNGRY OR BROKE
BUT THE REST OF CUBA WILL SUFFER THIS IS
NOT RIGHT,THE EMBARGO SHOULD BE LIFTED
AND ELIAN SHOULD BE WITH HIS FATHER.
YOU CANNOT BELIEVE ALL THESE STORIES COMING
FROM THE CUBAN EXILE COMMUNITY.
HE SPOKE WITH JANET RENO WITHOUT ANY CUBAN
GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS PRESENT IF HE WANTED
TO STAY THAT WAS HIS CHANCE,HE STILL COULD STAY HE HASNT LEFT YET,THEY SAY HE IS A CARD CARRYING MEMBER OF THE COMMUNIST PARTY,IF HE IS DOES THIS MAKE HIM A BAD FATHER.

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Old 10th April 2000, 14:09
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Boris:

Shame on you, you don't sound now like El Boricua, you rather sound like El Cubiche.

Man, Cuba is not our friend, Fidel has never sympathized with our people. Whenever Fidel talks about supporting our "Independence" he does so out of ulterior motives, the least of which is his desire to destroy the shining example of his failure, for as long as Puerto Rico has prosperity under Capitalism and the USA Flag his Caribbean "dream" has little to show the world. He is SINISTER, and if he says he wants the best for Elián you better start looking for the reverse case, and if you pro-Independence proponents had as much as a tiny ounce of discernment you would see it.

It goes without saying that to be pro-Independence you have to be SOCIALISTA [aka IZQUIERDISTA, almost synonymous with COMUNISTA], you just proved it.

To defend the indefensible, which is that Fidel wants Elián back in Cuba to show him as showcase of the Cuban Proletariat, is the epytome of fanatism for a lost cause: Extremist Socialism.

It is interesting how you Leftist Guys don't care about the truth and cry out NO WAY when confronted with it. Why?

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Old 10th April 2000, 15:36
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Hay una información que deseo compartir con ustedes sobre este caso.

El padre de Elián trató de abandonar Cuba y entrar a los EU Continentales en dos ocasiones en los últimos dos años.

1) Juan González, el padre de Elián, quería también escapar e irse hacia el norte. En dos ocasiones solicitó una visa en la Sección de Interés de los Estados Unidos en La Habana. Desafortunadamente, su número no fue seleccionado entre las 25,000 visas que bajo el acuerdo con Cuba, rifa anualmente entre más de 500,000 cubanos ansiosos de ir a los Estados Unidos.

2) Cuando supo que su hijo había logrado llegar milagrosamente a Miami. El padre de Elián, mediante una conversación teléfonica, les pidió a sus familiares en esa ciudad que cuidaran del niño hasta que él (González) pudiera reunirse con él en la Florida. Instruido e intimidado por Castro y su secuases, González luego cambió su forma de pensar y comenzó a exigir que su hijo "secuestrado" le fuera devuelto a Cuba.

Hemos observado la llegada del padre vistiendo un costoso traje que ningun cubano de la Isla puede comprar. Fidel castro ha lavado y comprado la mente de este hombre para ser manipulado a sus caprichos.


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Old 10th April 2000, 19:22
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CRIOLLO,
I'M AFRAID YOU MISUNDERSTOOD ME I WAS NOT TRYING TO DEFEND FIDEL'S GOVERNMENT AT ALL
WHAT I WAS ATTEMPTING TO SAY IS THAT THE RIGHT OF A FATHER TO HIS SON SHOULD BE
PARAMOUNT REGARDLESS OF POLITICAL BELIEFS,
AND JANET RENO HAS DONE THE RIGHT THING.
I CONSIDER MYSELF IN THE CENTER NO LEFT,
NO RIGHT.I WAS NOT TRYING TO DEFEND THE
CASTRO REGIME HE WILL BE GONE SOON.
POLITICS ASIDE I STILL THINK ELIANS PLACE IS WITH HIS FATHER.
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Old 11th April 2000, 07:04
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Boricua:

I also think that the father should take care of his orphan son. But he already did, as it was proven by the Wall Street Journal investigative report; his own father tried twice to get out of Cuba too. Now under coercion [a la "cañona"] from Fidel, Juan has turned around and says that he wants his son back.

Te pregunto yo a ti: si tu fueras un cubano en Cuba que trató dos veces de salir de Cuba, y ahora estás bajo la mirilla de Fidel para pedir al muchacho, ¿te pondrías tu a contradecirlo? Y para poner las cosas mas color de hormiga brava, ahora tu tienes una mujer con un niño bebé, ¿cuán macho uno se va a poner en contra de Fidel? Allá en Cuba, todavía oficialmente cada barrio del país tiene un comité de barrio, cuya misión es chotear a "todos los enemigos de la revolución". Por eso Juan, el padre de Elián no está en libertad de decir lo que verdaderamente siente.

Te digo, Cuba no es ni como la República Dominicana, ni como Haití, ni como Puerto Rico, ni como Méjico, ni aún como la Rusia de hoy en día. Cuba es una dictadura. La política oficial de Cuba es que tus hijos no son tuyos, son propiedad del Gobierno [o mejor dicho, "del Pueblo Revolucionario Cubano"]. Por eso es que Fidel está tan interesado que Elián vuelva al país, para él demostrar que es el benefactor del Pueblo. Esto no dista mucho [no está tan lejos] de la actitud de un Padrino de la Mafia. Es mas, cuando Stalin era el dictador de la Unión Soviética, el se hacía apodar: el Tío José. ¿Tu nunca has oído de "Big Brother"? Pues en el comunismo ese es el estilo en que se proyectan los tiranos, como el Padre de la Nación, o como el Tío de la Nación. Por eso no es de extrañar que Fidel esté obligando a Juan a traer a su hijo a Cuba. El chamaquito es un trofeo, un símbolo, él no es una persona por quien Fidel esté realmente intereseado.

Admito, para los exiliados cubanos Elián también es un símbolo de su lucha contra el régimen de Castro. Pero no es de menos que lo sea. Si tu y yo [Boricua y Criollo] nos hubiéramos criado en Cuba [seríamos el Cubiche y el Guajiro], te aseguro que aquí en Estados Unidos estaríamos piqueteando a voz en cuello por que dejaran a Elián aquí. Y mucho mas aún por las circunstancias tan especiales en apareció ese niño frente a las costas de Florida: solito, su mamá ahogada, en un Día de Acción de Gracias. ‘Mano, esa clase de “milagro” es digno de las Películas.

Por eso estoy convencido que Elián está mejor aquí, donde su mamá lo trajo, que por allá, de donde su mamá trató de escapar.

Que nos sirva esto como una advertencia en contra del Socialismo, que si nuestra isla algún día recibe su independencia no podemos dejar que esos cangrimanes de apoderen de nuestra Patria. Prefiero la Estadidad un millón de veces a una República Comunista. Mientras el Comunismo esté vivito y coleando en el Caribe nuestro Pueblo Puertorriqueño está en peligro. Recuerda quién le suministró armas a los guerrilleros comunista en toda Latinoamérica durante los últimos cuarenta años. Recuerda quién entrenó a los Macheteros. Recuerda quién entrenó a los que pusieron las bombas en Puerto Rico durante los años 1965-1975. Si Puerto Rico fuera una República hoy mismo no dudo que Fidel ayude a los comunistas de Puerto Rico a adueñarse del país; es mas no dudo que él se atreva a mandar tropas a “ayudar” a los “trabajadores” puertorriqueños en su lucha contra la “injusticia social” [caramba, tuve un sueño precisamente de eso hace 19 años, mientras estaba en la universidad]. Y con el mangasón de “Fidel” Clinton, no dudo que los Estados Unidos se hagan de la vista larga ante esa situación.

There are some things I feel too passionate about to express in English. Nos vemos...

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Old 12th April 2000, 12:54
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Criollo:

Shame on you. You're still going around telling stories. I have read each and everyone of the WSJ and NY Times articles on this subject, including an editorial by Gabriel Garcia Marquez, and none of those articles support any of the allegations that you have made or that you state your attorney friend has told you. In fact, just yesterday, the INS put to rest the allegation that Elian's dad had tried twice to come to the US. They were able to confirm that never has Juan Miguel applied for a Visa to come to the US. There are many allegations being made by Juan Miguel's uncle, (Elian's great -uncle). But there is a huge difference between an allegation and a fact and between fact and fiction. Let's stick to the facts as we know them;

1 - Noone has proven the father to be unfit to raise his son, here, in Cuba or on
the moon;

2 - the law of the land ( US law ) dictates that the child be in the custody of the surviving natural parent;

3 - the Miami relatives had stated that they would turn Elian over to his father if he came to the US to claim him.

Well, hell, he has. He is here; has not defected; has had plenty opportunity to do so. And, yet, he has not been allowed to hug his son and say " I love you and I have missed you my son".

The truth is nobody knows what will happen to Elian when he returns to Cuba, just like nobody can tell with any certainty what will happen to Elian in the future if he stays in the US. That is the beauty of tomorrow, it is always in the distance, and we can do no more than guess about what it will bring.

Give the Kid to his dad, NOW !!!
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