CIA to be dismantled?

[Nacionalista]

Suki, you start to worry me about you. You are taking extremist to a over-extremist level.

Still you don't get it.

THERE IS NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT THE MISTAKES OF THE BAD APPLES !!!!

The way you post are, it looks like you are the kind of people that hang someone for a mistake without looking his previous record.

Like taking a Soldier with 25 years in service with a inmaculate record and tons of awards, and hang him because he stole a hummer one day while intoxicated with few beers.

I though you were that smart, the same way you say I am, come on Suki, allow a cool down period before you answer a post, otherwise you will look like a dumb a$$.

Remember, we are fighting and giving our only live for your freedom to say what ever crap you want. I hope you consider that and give us more respect.

No offense implied !!!

[Suki]

Nacionalista,
Do you think you going to Panama and going to whatever foreign country is giving me my freedom? To write. To talk to live and etc. No. My freedom is not based on the bullets and so on. You are working for the USA gov't. The gov't sends you to look out for the interests of who? Not some working class Puerto Rican woman. If that were true you would be a true Albizuist and a true Nacionalista like Cancel Miranda. Fighting for the island. Not for the Gringo gov't. And the Gringo gov't done passed the "Patriot Act" if I don't agree with their policy on National security, hey, "My freedom to write is not gonna exist now is it?" So, in fact, you are working for the gov't that passed that anti free speech and writing legislation and are as a Bush voter, gonna contribute to shutting me down via laws made to make sure only the 'yes' people to govt are allowed to be 'free'. Go ahead Nacionalista go and call the Patriot people. Feel good about putting away the 'opposition'. And feel good about helping me keep my 'freedom'. If that were true you would not be voting for the man that made dummies of the congress and bypassed what was the traditional rights of the congress. The ability to declare war. The people of the USA supposedly put Congress in charge of declaring it and it has to have a majority agreement. Now, the executive has the right to determine who is a threat and who isn't. If someone like you goes and tells the gov't I am a security risk. You lose a poster for sure Nacionalista. I am writing what I think is just for all people. Not just puertorriquenos. And I would never dream of curtailing your rights or that of anyone. But I aint worried about my values. I worry about the values of the Patriot locos. They want to shut everyone up. Forever. And that aint freedom not at all. Not at all. Fear is always the percursor to repression.

When was the last time Osama dropped a plane on San Juan? The only ones dropping bombs in Puerto Rico and contaminating everything was the NAVY. And I don't think you were the one getting cancer in some beach to make them leave the isla nena were you? No. You were too busy fighting for the Empire's interests. Why don't you finally choose and be done with it. Are you for Puerto Rican nationalism or for USA imperial interests?

In my book you can't be letting island issues take a back seat because the Empire has got other fish to fry. That don't cut it in the book of Nationalism. Los nacionalistas go for the whole thing. Not half measures.

A record of service? Again Nacionalista we are not talking about some drunk soldier. No. We are talking about systemic training methods in which covertly and not covertly illegal and immoral methods of retaining and obtaining power are used. The military follows orders Nacionalista. The chain of Command. And as such who is the top commander and who's interests does he represent? The people's interests? He is supposed to represent the people in a democracy. But he doesn't. Especially this president. He certainly doesn't represent me. I don't see how you connect my 'freedom' with your gun. I don't. Because your gun is intimidating the terrorists and keeping me safe? From what terrorism? Aint nobody safe from those people Nacionalista. They don't reside in any particular country only and have some head of state with a conventional army representing them. They don't. So the CIA is the one who should eliminate them. They haven't been able to. They had 'bad' intelligence. You and Special Ops are gonna have to cover the crap they don't do right the first time. Is this suppose to make me feel safer? To know the gov't is incompetent and a Puerto Rican man with a wife and kids might die in some horrible manner to clean up the mess of some big idiots in DC?

Bad Apples? Is that what the ex-graduates are who caused the Panama revolu? Bad apples? And DR dictatorship of Torrijos? Bad apples and the Bolivian dude, and etc. etc. Let us pull out the 60k list and see how many done did dastardly deeds. I don't want to. It is too long and you are never going to accept it Nacionalista. Never. It would mean you are fighting for something not too good. And that would take away your morale. And I for one want to keep you alive and to go back home to be the father and grandfather you should be. And not in some hellhole. So I leave it at that. I disagree strongly with you Nacionalista. I do.

In fact after Albizu and so on dio un poco de candela is when Washington decided to allow us to fly our flag next to the other flag. I definitely am confused Nacionalista on what kind of Nacionalista you are. You believe in the militia and so on. But not for Puerto Rico? For the USA only? Please explain to me how you tie in your 'nacionalismo' with dying for the USA and not for Puerto Rico. I want to hear it. Because if you say you are both. Join the ELA. That is where you belong. Not with the Nacionalistas.

And dont generalize. I did not say get rid of the entire police force or coast guard etc. I said shut down the SOA. And I aint alone. A whole bunch of folks were the ones who took it to congress to shut it down. They put enough pressure to force at least a name change, because of bad reputation. That doesn't happen to many military institutions. Does West Point have to change its name to Annapolis Institute to avoid the bad publicity? No creo.

I agree to disagree.

Suki.






[Edited by Suki on 17th September 2004 at 14:16]

[AnotherRican]

Suki,

You don't have a head like the rest of us. You have a b???t for a head.

Just because Osama did not drop planes on San Juan does not mean that Ricans aren't on his list. Remember that Islam considers you an infidel worthy of death. It is a matter of time and you too will receive the terrorist's wrath. You don't negotiate with evil people. You, apparently cannot see what evil is. You are twisted. That is why I think you either are co-dependent or have been abused or both. You don't have healthy boundaries and when you put them down they are distorted. Your politics show it and your ostrich mentality shows it clearly. Now trash me as you always do for pointing these kind of contradictions in you.

[Nacionalista]

Suki, I am sure Albizu would hate terrorist too.

You seem to be reading a lot of extremist and conspiracy theories crap. I recommend you read also what the other side say, and get the information from bonafide sources, not from any idiot on the street or homemade web site.

Remember, not everything you see in the internet is true. As a matter of fact, over 60% of the internet web sites are private and many created by 15 years old kids.

In reference to the School of Americas, what you are saying about a group forcing the congress to close SOA is not true.

There was never a congressional action to close the SOA, but yes, there was a request for, that never make it pass the janitor office.

There was not a name change on the school either, it was integrated into WHISC.

WHISC has been around way back in the 70’s, as part of the Fort Benning Infantry School course for Battle Commanders from the entire world.

When they moved the SOA to Fort Benning, because they closed Fort Gulick in Panama due to the Panama Canal Treaty, it was best to attach the SOA to WHISC.

Why?

Because WHISC was doing the same courses as SOA, except SOA was concentrated on Latin American Armies, and WHISC was training the rest of the world.

Actually, next month, SOA/WHISC is getting additional funds from the Homeland Defense to accelerate the training of these armies commanders in the war against terrorism, and officers from Russia will start attending the courses too.

WHISC trained Soldiers from France, Germany, Spain, Italy, and England to mention few. Are they doing the atrocities you say SOA did?

Now, the group of people you are talking about, maybe 2,000 last time I count, call themselves SOAW, and are trying to close WHISC, today when our country needs to maintain a level of Security Cooperation from all the world.

In addition, it was discovered that money donated to SOAW, ended up in Al-Quida hands.

So, what that tells you. It makes sense their mentality.

Hmmm, let’s see !!!

1. Get an organization and name it SOAW, to close SOA/WHISC.

2. Like that they can hurt the anti-terrorist training these armies get and make easy to the terrorist around the world.

3. Then get a bunch of idiots to donate money to SOAW and have the money transfer to support terrorist.

Suki, wake up sister !!!!