So Communism is dead? Read this! L.F.M

[L_F_Miranda]

Eddier dijo:

No, umm no! Nosotros jamas de las jamases limpiemos nuestros trapos delante
del publico. Tenemos verguenza!

Oyeme Papo, esto no es asunto de verguenza, esto es tratar de llegar a la medula del problema.

Aqui en este foro, aunque poblado por algunos A-Cubanados, con una obsession con Fidel Castro que hasta en circulos conservadores de Puerto Rico es risible, tenemos que sacar los trapos al sol.

Lo tenemos que hacer en foros, en periodicos, en los medios de communicacion publica, donde sea. Por que? Para llegar a un dialogo nacional de nuestra condicion como pueblo. Tapando el cielo con la mano no se llega a nada.

Tenemos que preguntarnos, POR QUE SOMOS TAN ENANGOTAOS? por que no somos politicamente nacionalistas, pero si lo somos socialmente? Hacia donde vamos? Que piensan los Gringos hacer con nosotros? Nos annexaran? Sera la annexion dentro de su mejores intereses nacionales?

Yo creo que por lo visto, NO!, pero por ahi habran otras opiniones, pero no se oyen.

Por ahi Suki dijo, "Pal carajo con lo que quieran los Gringos, yo voy con lo digamos o queremos nostros!"

Oyeme , eso suena "cute", pero esa es la mentalidad que nos tiene en el lio en que estamos. Es una especie de "JIBARO THINK", la mayoria manda.

Pregunta. Quienes son los que tienen la soberania nuestra bajo llave? Segun Suki, quizas son los que habitan La Fortaleza o esta en manos del pueblo puertorriqueno.

LA SOBERANIA LA TIENE EL CONGRESO! Ellos hacen con esta lo que le venga en gana, dentro de sus intereses nacionales por supuesto. Sempre ha sido asi.

"Bottom line" como dicen en Brookyn county, tenemos que hastiarnos hasta llegar a saber el por que no nos importa un bledo exepto bailar y consumir. Somos el grupo hispano mas pobre, menos educado, todos se nos pasan por encima. Somos el haz-me reir de la mayoria de los Hispanos. Discutiendo el por que somos asi es que vamos a llegar algunas soluciones.

[El_Jibaro]

LEADERS OF MARXIST RIOTERS DECLARE TRUCE WITH ECUADORIAN GOVERNMENT

August 21, 2005

The Leaders of the masked Marxist Rioters in the two oil producing Amazonian provinces in Ecuador declared truce after Venezuela promised to loan oil to Ecuador, following the oil production stoppage in those provinces.

The Ecuadorian oil industry is the fifth oil producing nation in South America, and was recently under attack by masked Marxist Rioters representing the tiny Indian minorities of Ecuador (Ecuador has only 5000 Indians in the two oil producing Amazonian provinces). The hundreds of masked Marxist Rioters spoke fluent Spanish with a Colombian accent, while the Amazonian Indians they represent mostly only speak three Indian languages.

Venezuela offered to provide oil to the besieged Andean country in order to maintain the oil pipelines from breaking down after oil production was stopped in the two Ecuadorian oil producing Amazonian provinces. Shortly after that the Leaders of the masked Marxist Rioters declared a truce and their willingness to negotiate terms with the Ecuadorian president Alfredo Palacio. Until the truce the Rioters had been demanding that all oil production be nationalized and that all the profits go solely to create more Ecuadorian government jobs, as well as a 120 mile paved road to that region.

60 masked Marxist Rioters had been allowed to come to the Ecuadorian capital, Quito, to negotiate with the oil company representatives as well as with government officials.

The first meeting was short, and they agreed to go into further negotiations on Monday.

The masked Marxist Rioters demand that Occidental Petroleum, an American company, be kicked out of the country, and that only non-American countries be allowed to exploit the oil resources; most of those companies are French.

This was the first major crisis for president Palacio, an independent leftist politician who took control of the country after Marxist Riots had ousted Lucio Gutierrez.

Oil production resumed after a virtual shut down. The government oil company, Petroecuador, extracted 33,137 barrels on Saturday (their production was 210,000 barrels per day before the Riots), while the private companies were still totally shut down (their oil production was 329,000 barrels per day before the Riots).

However, the 144,000 barrels per day that Petroecuador exported to the USA are still shut down. Petroecuador is one of the 500 largest South American companies.

Less than 100 Marxist Rioters were arrested for this stoppage, which pushed oil futures up to $65 per barrel.

[Suki]

Originally Posted by L_F_Miranda

Eddier dijo:

Tenemos que preguntarnos, POR QUE SOMOS TAN ENANGOTAOS? por que no somos politicamente nacionalistas, pero si lo somos socialmente? Hacia donde vamos? Que piensan los Gringos hacer con nosotros? Nos annexaran? Sera la annexion dentro de su mejores intereses nacionales?

Yo creo que por lo visto, NO!, pero por ahi habran otras opiniones, pero no se oyen.

Por ahi Suki dijo, "Pal carajo con lo que quieran los Gringos, yo voy con lo digamos o queremos nostros!"

Oyeme , eso suena "cute", pero esa es la mentalidad que nos tiene en el lio en que estamos. Es una especie de "JIBARO THINK", la mayoria manda.

Pregunta. Quienes son los que tienen la soberania nuestra bajo llave? Segun Suki, quizas son los que habitan La Fortaleza o esta en manos del pueblo puertorriqueno.

LA SOBERANIA LA TIENE EL CONGRESO! Ellos hacen con esta lo que le venga en gana, dentro de sus intereses nacionales por supuesto. Sempre ha sido asi.

"Bottom line" como dicen en Brookyn county, tenemos que hastiarnos hasta llegar a saber el por que no nos importa un bledo exepto bailar y consumir. Somos el grupo hispano mas pobre, menos educado, todos se nos pasan por encima. Somos el haz-me reir de la mayoria de los Hispanos. Discutiendo el por que somos asi es que vamos a llegar algunas soluciones.

Miranda, te preguntas por que no somos nacionalistas? Por que x,y,z? Y despues piensas que pensar en lo que quieran los puertorriquenos es inutil? No entiendes la historia de los nacionalistas? Los independentistas? Las carpetas? Y mucho mas? Tu crees que no hay un elemento de represion y de miedo creado por el gobierno estadounidense? Cuanta gente en la historia de los movimientos nacionalistas o libertadores estan dispuestos a sacrificar sus vidas, sus hijos, sus trabajos y su arroz y habichuelas para regir su propio pais? que esta siendo ocupado por un gobierno mucho mas poderoso militarmente e economicamente poderoso que la isla? La gente es pragmatica Miranda. Ellos simplemente quieren vivir sus vidas. Quieren un trabajito, una casita y un carrito y que su hijo o hija vaya a Ana G. Mendez o el Sagrado o lo que sea, se consiga un trabajito y vivir en paz si pueden. La mayor parte de la gente no se involucra en la politica. Especialmente si no trae nada excepto problemas. Cuando la gente no puede vivir y comer y llega un nivel de chaos intolerable entonces es cuando la gente busca 'revolucion'. Mientras tanto ellos observan. Se dan cuenta que si eres pipiolo, comunista, socialista, independentista, no consigues trabajo, tus hijos te lo pueden raptar y matar y el cuerpo muerto aparece misteriosamente asesinado sin explicacion. Piensan, -queremos eso? queremos ese lio kilometrico?-

En los anos 50's Lola, Cancel Miranda y otros dispararon al congreso de los EEUU y un poquito despues la bandera puertorriquena fue permitida a la par de la norteamericana. Claro, muchos declararon los nacionalistas terroristas, pero el congreso no resolvia con suplicas y con cartas y con pedidos y lo demas. Respondieron a la presion. Se inventaron ELA en 1952. Un poco despues de la candela de los nacionalistas. Desafortunadamente, los imperios no responden a democracia Miranda. Responden a presion. La gente no responde a mucha 'teoria', responden a las condiciones reales que ellos estan experimentando. El trabajo de los independentistas no es solo entender el pueblo puertorriqueno, pero tambien es lidear con el pueblo colonizador. Yo no creo que es necesario las armas y matar gente para crear cambio en Puerto Rico. Pero SI creo que es necesario la desobedencia civil y pensar en los intereses de los boricuas PRIMERO y no estar obsesionado con lo que el colonizador va hacer con nosotros. Ellos como cualquier gobierno bregan con la presion, una presion creada por los afectados. QUIENES SON LOS AFECTADOS MIRANDA? Los gringos o los boricuas con el estado de la colonia? NOSOTROS. Los boricuas son los que estamos inconformes con el presente estado de cuentas. Los estadistas quieren poder politico en la metropolis para mas chavos y un estilo de vida a la par con los de los 50 estados. Los independentistas se dan cuenta que el imperio no le interesa integracion y hay que preparar el pueblo boricua por un futuro soberano. La ELA quiere mas autonomia y mas chavos y mas libertades sin pagar los impuestos federales y tumbar la economia boricua que esta fundada en un colonialismo moribundo y disfuncional. Somos la mayoria de la gente ocupando borinquen (los puertorriquenos nacidos en Puerto Rico y los puertorriquenos con nuestras familias, nuestras raices y nuestra cultura involucradas con el destino de Borinquen, si no bregamos con tomar las riendas del cambio necesario para nuestra sociedad quien lo va hacer? Washington DC? DC solo brega con presion, no con conformidad, ellos tiran la red y es nuestra responsabilidad buscar los agujeros y escapar. Esperando que los que no son boricuas resuelvan los lios para nosotros es siendo un bruto. Los gringos estan conformes. No van a cambiar nada. Tenemos que responder a nuestros intereses. Si vivimos en EEUU, igual que los israelitas judios que responden para Israel, los boricuas en EEUU deben de estar agitando y abogando para que el imperio bregue con nosotros. La apatia no resuelve nada para nadie.

Si no te interesa Borinquen, y eres Boricua, por que escribir en PR.com? No gastes tu tiempo aqui vete a bregar en Yankees.com.

Los tres partidos quieren cambios, ninguno no quiere cambio. Los populares con mas chavos y mas libertades y hacer negocio con paises sin aprobacion del imperio. Los estadistas con mas chavos y mas beneficios y mas poder politico y los independentistas ni hablar. LOS BORICUAS quieren cambio. No estan conformes. Washington DC es quien no le interesa cambio. Solo si les conviene. O presionamos o estamos conformes. La sociedad boricua no anda bien. Eso si todo el mundo esta de acuerdo en que algun tipo de cambio es necesario. El remedio es lo que esta siendo disputado aqui. De que cambio es necesario? Los tres partidos lo saben. Pero, en terminos pragmaticos la gente del pueblo no quieren sacrificar algo para esos cambios. Pero el dia que estan dispuestos. Ya veras el cambio. Asi es. Mientras tanto la cosa sigue.

Como independentista yo creo en cambio real. Ningun imperio se corta sus propias patas para beneficiar el colonizado. No senor. Los vendidos nunca agitan por el bien del pueblo. Los del ELA, no tienen la abilidad de confrontar el imperio. Eso deja los independentistas como los que mas actividad tienen que hacer. El pueblo vive con muchas cosas. Como todo ser humano. Los problemas de los individuos son los problemas de la sociedad, los problemas de la sociedad son los problemas del individuo. Yo creo en el socialismo cientifico en la politica. Asi es. A mi me parece eso lo mas razonable. Que si ha dado en el mundo? No. Pero ese es el ideal. Que yo haya desigualdad basado en babosadas de propiedad privada y explotacion y clasismo y racismo y estupideces. Que si hay problemas? Claro que si. Pero la sociedad no es estatica.

Hay que reconocer que el congreso tiene el poder de acuerdo a ti Miranda? El Congreso responde a presion. Punto. Y su tu crees que los boricuas no podemos presionar y somos munecos de trapo o marionetas sin poder y brutos y cafres, entonces por que vas a estar en pr.com escribiendo?

Tengo mucho que hacer Miranda. Me voy. Pero, no me tildes de 'cute'. Vivir con los problemas que tenemos los boricuas no es vivir cute. Es bregar con los problemas que todos los pueblos colonizados tienen que bregar. Y no es nada de facil. Para los seres que son perseguidos, torturados, metidos presos, negado trabajo, comida, albergue y seguridad por sus ideales politicos y tener un cinico como tu Miranda, decirles que sus vidas de sacrificio para el cambio es solo cenizas y nada por que hay que respetar los imperialistas y sus 'super' poderes es pura babosada de tu parte. El Gobierno responde a la presion. Presiones que solo la gente en conjunto y listo para el cambio pueden crear. Y este mundo es de CAMBIO constante. Es una ley de la naturaleza el cambio. Y los movimientos sociales no son estaticos. Nunca lo seran.



Suki

[AnotherRican]

Miranda... Here's another world-wide reason why Communism is not dead and it poses a serious threat to society:

Young Communists Call for Land Grab
August 18 2005 at 11:56AM
From http://www.int.iol.co.za/index.php?s...5008415C845221

By Moshoeshoe Monare

The Young Communist League has called for land invasions if the constitution is not amended to outlaw private ownership of land and to allow for nationalisation.

The league's national chairperson, David Masondo, said on Wednesday that there had to be an end to the "sunset clause" that gave constitutional property and land rights to individuals.

"Even if it means invasions, we need some kind of review," Masondo said.

'There should be no private ownership of land in this country'
The league's national secretary, Buti Manamela, said: "We believe there should be no private ownership of land in this country."

He said this formed part of resolutions taken at the league's national policy and strategy conference.

The league has also called for an inquest into the death of former SA Communist Party leader Chris Hani, who was assassinated in 1993. The league said the convicted killers were not acting alone.

"The YCL will be calling on young people to sign a petition to the department of justice and various courts throughout the country to put pressure on this institution to launch an inquest," said Manamela.

"Much more can be found on who the real killers are, and those who were involved in the conspiracy to assassinate him," he said.

The Truth and Reconciliation Commission denied Janusz Walus and Clive Derby-Lewis amnesty for Hani's killing. They are currently serving life sentences.

This article was originally published on page 9 of Daily News on August 18, 2005

[AnotherRican]

Miranda,

Here is yet another reason why you should stop sticking your neck in the sand, also, the NeoMarxist lady, her mother, and the old Commie dinosaur are waiting in the wings to apply their Marxism to an "independent PR":

Communists Abduct 220 Villagers in Western Nepal

Webcast News Service, 7 August 2005
From http://www.truthnews.net/daily/2005080046.htm

Military officials in Nepal say communist rebels have abducted at least 220 villagers from several remote mountainous districts in the western part of the country.

The officials say that on July 31, the communists took away more than 150 women from four villages in the Bajura district, and 70 people from several villages in neighboring Accham district.

The condition and whereabouts of the villagers are unknown and the motive remains unclear. But the communists are known to take hundreds of villagers to their rallies and possibly try to recruit them to fight government troops.

The communists have been fighting since 1996 to replace the constitutional monarchy in the world's only Hindu kingdom with a communist dictatorship. More than 11,000 people have been killed in the conflict.

[AnotherRican]

Miranda... still with head in sand?

Communists in India goes after BJP on Gujarat bringing Congress to its knees on riots against Sikhs– what about their own atrocities in West Bengal and Tripura?
Sudhir Chadda
Aug. 12, 2005
From http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/4113.asp

Indian communists (CPM) have committed much more atrocities in West Bengal and Tripura than any anything publicized in India. Human Right violation by communists cadres in West Bengal has continued for decades starting from early sixties. The local party officials have committed levels of atrocities unprecedented by any standard of fascism. That is the reason no other parties ever could win a single election in West Bengal.

The communists have openly allowed Islamic Jihadists and illegal immigrants from Bangladesh to operate in West Bengal and Tripura. All they need are the votes of the Indian minorities and brainwash the public. There is a difference between a riot and an ideological cleansing of population. They have done in a free country like India what Mao did in China. They have created a scenario in West Bengal where opposition just cannot survive.

And now they are after Congress and BJP on riots. In a riot, hotheaded mob hurts the minorities. In a systematic well-planned organized atrocities, like what Hitler, Stalin or Mao did, a population is cleaned out so that no one can survive with different opinion. You decide which is worse!

Welcoming Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's apology to the nation for the anti-Sikh riots of 1984, CPM on Friday said BJP should apply the same yardstick and remove Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi for the Godhra carnage.

"The Prime Minister's apology to the nation should be backed by time-bound action plan but BJP should also apply the same yardstick for Gujarat riots", CPM politburo member Brinda Karat told reporters here today.

Brushing aside the allegation that there was a delay in CPM's reaction on the issue, Brinda, who was elected to Rajya Sabha recently, said they had to carefully study the document before coming out with any remarks.

"This took some time, but our reaction is quick and fast", she said.

[AnotherRican]

Posted on: 8/1/2005

GOVT: COMMUNISTS USING PEACE TALKS TO GET RID OF TERROR TAG

From http://peacejournalism.com/ReadArtic...ArticleID=4325

MANILA, August 1, 2005 (STAR) The government accused communist rebels yesterday of using the peace talks to have them removed from the list of terrorists of the United States and the European Union.
Chief government negotiator Nieves Confesor said in a statement from Malacañang that the National Democratic Front (NDF) had unilaterally withdrew from the negotiations because the Communist Party of the Philippines (CPP), New People’s Army (NPA), and communist leader Jose Ma. Sison had not been taken off the terrorist lists.

"This decision unmasked NDF’s real intention in the peace negotiations," read the statement. "We are not surprised, however, by the decision of the NDF. We have seen a lot of their double talk in the past. While they proclaim their desire for peace - they foment violence in our communities. We have known enough of their ambuscades and assassinations of civilians and non-combatants," it said.

Confesor said the NDF’s withdrawal from the peace talks would not distract the government from pursuing peace with the rebels at the local level with the help of local officials and communities.

"Peace talks is just one of the components of our peace efforts," she said. "In line with this, the government shall vigorously support the peace initiatives of the local government units and communities in forging peace settlements with the communist rebels on the ground."

Confesor said it appears that the NDF has no intention in forging peace based on the atrocities the NPA has been committing despite the peace talks. Based on the NDF game plan, the rebels will give the public various explanations for their withdrawal from the talks - except the real story, she added.

Confesor said the NDF that would be on the losing end in withdrawing from the talks as it would endanger the gains they have already made, specifically the political space provided under The Hague Joint Declaration and other signed agreements, including the Comprehensive Agreement on the Respect for Human Rights and International Humanitarian Law.

NDF leaders and members will also lose the safety and immunity guarantees they currently enjoy under the Joint Agreement on Safety and Immunity Guarantees (JASIG), which is being enforced to allow peace negotiations to continue, she added.

Earlier, Executive Secretary Eduardo Ermita said the National Security Council is expected to convene within the month to discuss actions the government would undertake after the NDF’s unilateral withdrawal from the peace talks.

These include the possible arrest of NDF-CPP members and leaders enjoying immunity from apprehension by authorities under the JASIG, he added.

Local peace initiatives enjoy the full support of the people as can be seen from the popular clamor from various stakeholders, observers said.

The NDF is the umbrella organization of all communist underground and front organizations in the country. The CPP is its political arm, while the NPA, with an estimated strength of 7,000 fully-armed guerrillas, is its armed wing. The NDF earlier claimed that it was withdrawing from the negotiations after predicting the downfall of the Arroyo administration. — Paolo Romero