So Communism is dead? Read this! L.F.M

[Suki]

In the PNP statehooder party. That is where the killers are. A bunch of ruthless sellout, theiving low life killers. Cerro Maravilla is not the only killings they participate in.

How many kidnappings and killings and dead floating bodies of the children of the PNP have occurred in Puerto Rico PR.com? The ones doing the killing of people in Puerto Rico related to politics are either PNPs or Populares. The independentistas are not the majority parties in power. The independentistas are a minority party. And if we were only interested primarily in getting rich and living the high life, we would be PNPs or PPDs. We are not. Obviously if having the majority votes was all that was relevant to us for existance we would not be who we are. We are not about what the system says we should be. We never were.

I wonder if Romero or Rossello would be happy if their son got killed under mysterious circumstances, like many of our independentistas leaders kids get shot or threatened with other things, how brave they would be in pursuing their self centered ideals? They don't want to rock any boats. They want to ride the gravy train.

You can live in fear forever. It won't change the reality that the Puerto Ricans know change is necessary. They know it is. They just want to know what it requires. Does it require dead children, family members, civil war, chaos, poverty, problems and etc? If it does the Boricuas would rather not rock the boat. Does that make them cowards? Low lifes? No. It makes them human.

But unless the lack of power is confronted eventually the chaos is gonna happen. Can't avoid change.

[AnotherRican]

I am amazed at how the person who said the following quote can be so bent out of shape about supposed PNP or PPD killings but not be with respect to the killings, intent, and massive oppression (as per history and the articles Jib and I posted on this thread) from persons in the ideology this person vehemently believes in and wants Puerto Rico to adopt. That is so other-worldly that it sound like the person is hallucinating on psychotropics.

In the PNP statehooder party. That is where the killers are. A bunch of ruthless sellout, theiving low life killers. Cerro Maravilla is not the only killings they participate in.

How many kidnappings and killings and dead floating bodies of the children of the PNP have occurred in Puerto Rico PR.com? The ones doing the killing of people in Puerto Rico related to politics are either PNPs or Populares. The independentistas are not the majority parties in power. The independentistas are a minority party. And if we were only interested primarily in getting rich and living the high life, we would be PNPs or PPDs. We are not. Obviously if having the majority votes was all that was relevant to us for existance we would not be who we are. We are not about what the system says we should be. We never were.

[Suki]

We are dealing with Puerto Rico. Not other nations. How many killings with political overtones has happened in Puerto Rico to the PNPs kids? Some leader of the statehood party having his kid kidnapped and killed by a Puerto Rican PCP or PSP member? NAME ONE.

How many bombings of El Nuevo Dia by the PSP or PCP in Puerto Rico? How many against leftist newspapers by the right winger Statehooders in Puerto Rico? It is obvious who the violent ones are in PR.

The killer ideology in Puerto Rico? Does the Ponce Massacre ring a bell? Yes, there have been politically motivated killings. In Puerto Rico who has been doing the murdering due to someone's politics? Who? It is clear who it is. And the people did not buy Malavet's story.

Capitalism's massacres here it comes: I won't waste time with Vietnam the old deaths and forgotten ones, just focus on the first gulf war and then this one in which it is all about the OIL. And nothing else. How many dead civilians is the need for greed gonna cost the USA? Killing for what? Gasoline? That is what this is about. The few making money and controlling a world energy source and the millions who die for CAPITALISM. Even Gringo grieving mothers know something fishy is going on. Too bad the brain dead and brain washed keep believing the lies even though the war keeps being dragged on.

Iran-Iraq War (1980-88): 1 000 000
Most newpaper articles agree on the number, but they can't agree on the number of what. They talk of a million "killed", a million "killed and wounded", or a million "casualties". Here are the estimates among the sources which specify the number as killed:
Eckhardt: 377,000 as of 1987
Hammond: 400,000
5 March 1991 AP
Iran has acknowledged 135,000 mil. + civ. k.
Western military analysts: 2 or 3 times higher
Diplomats in Baghdad: 100,000 Iraqi dead
[Total: (?) 437,500 ± 67,500]
Conservative Western estimates: 1M k. or wd.
Dunnigan (1991): over 500,000
Dictionary of 20C World History: >500,000
Bulloch & Morris, The Gulf War (1989): 500,000
SIPRI 1989: 532,000
Clodfelter
Iranians: best est. 450,000 (as high as 730,000)
Iraqis: 150,000 (as high as 340,000)
[TOTAL: 600,000 (as high as 1,070,000)
Chirot
Iranians: 400,000-600,000
Iraqis: 200,000
[TOTAL: 700,000 ± 100,000]
MEDIAN: 700,000-1,000,000
Iranians: 500,000-600,000
Iraqis: 200,000-300,000
WPA3: 1,000,000 (600,000 Iranians and 400,000 Iraqis)
Compton's Encyclopedia: 1,000,000
Encarta: 1,000,000
Toronto Star (11 Dec 88): 1,000,000
San Francisco Chronicle (29 Jan. 1991): 1,000,000
Our Times: at least 1,000,000
War Annual 4: 1,000,000 (600,000 Iranians and 400,000 Iraqis)
B&J: 1,000,000 (400,000 Iranians and 200,000 Iraqis)
Timeframe: 1,200,000 (900,000 Iranians and 300,000 Iraqis)
The web site of the President of Iran gives the number as both 1M KIA and 1M K&W on the same page. [http://www.president.ir/cronicnews/1...01/800301.htm]

As long as the dead are not Americans WHO CARES. Yep, that is the mentality of the fools for capitalism. The ones who believe Latinos are evil due to their culture. The ones who hide behind religious fervor and hipocrisy to avoid being accountable for their lies and propaganda. The ones who want to believe desperately that the USA gov't is good and that anything not the USA is bad. For the fools for capitalism without analysis. Genocide is justified. What do I think? I think the super ignorant who only believe whatever the conquerers tell them without any kind of intelligence will be very good patsies when the time comes for sending out some cannon fodder into that hellhole of a place without any end or neat solution in site. As I said before nothing happens in history in a vaccumm or out of the blue. It doesn't.

[AnotherRican]

We are dealing with Puerto Rico. Not other nations.

Definitely, to a person who has espoused being Socialist/NeoMarxist this is a good example of selective reasoning and therefore a form of self-lobotomy. It is interesting that the NeoMarxist will change the topic from attention to the ideology of Marx being applied to an independent Puerto Rico. As soon as you mention that this is the goal, all of a sudden the rules are changed conveniently by saying, "We are dealing with Puerto Rico," which was my original point... We are dealing with a Puerto Rico that the Marxists want to oppress. This person is a Marxist. Wants independence and would move to PR to take a position of influence under such a change. Guess what a Marxist would do in such a situation? The same Chavez, and many other Marxists, worldwide have done... as I quoted from articles around the world.

Capitalism's massacres here it comes: I won't waste time with Vietnam the old deaths and forgotten ones, just focus on the first gulf war and then this one in which it is all about the OIL. And nothing else. How many dead civilians is the need for greed gonna cost the USA? Killing for what? Gasoline? That is what this is about. The few making money and controlling a world energy source and the millions who die for CAPITALISM. Even Gringo grieving mothers know something fishy is going on. Too bad the brain dead and brain washed keep believing the lies even though the war keeps being dragged on.

This is right out of the playbook of the lefty media. The NeoMarxist needs to change the record.

Iran-Iraq War (1980-88): 1 000 000
Most newpaper articles agree on the number, but they can't agree on the number of what. They talk of a million "killed", a million "killed and wounded", or a million "casualties". Here are the estimates among the sources which specify the number as killed:
Eckhardt: 377,000 as of 1987
Hammond: 400,000
5 March 1991 AP
Iran has acknowledged 135,000 mil. + civ. k.
Western military analysts: 2 or 3 times higher
Diplomats in Baghdad: 100,000 Iraqi dead
[Total: (?) 437,500 ± 67,500]
Conservative Western estimates: 1M k. or wd.
Dunnigan (1991): over 500,000
Dictionary of 20C World History: >500,000
Bulloch & Morris, The Gulf War (1989): 500,000
SIPRI 1989: 532,000
Clodfelter
Iranians: best est. 450,000 (as high as 730,000)
Iraqis: 150,000 (as high as 340,000)
[TOTAL: 600,000 (as high as 1,070,000)
Chirot
Iranians: 400,000-600,000
Iraqis: 200,000
[TOTAL: 700,000 ± 100,000]
MEDIAN: 700,000-1,000,000
Iranians: 500,000-600,000
Iraqis: 200,000-300,000
WPA3: 1,000,000 (600,000 Iranians and 400,000 Iraqis)
Compton's Encyclopedia: 1,000,000
Encarta: 1,000,000
Toronto Star (11 Dec 88): 1,000,000
San Francisco Chronicle (29 Jan. 1991): 1,000,000
Our Times: at least 1,000,000
War Annual 4: 1,000,000 (600,000 Iranians and 400,000 Iraqis)
B&J: 1,000,000 (400,000 Iranians and 200,000 Iraqis)
Timeframe: 1,200,000 (900,000 Iranians and 300,000 Iraqis)
The web site of the President of Iran gives the number as both 1M KIA and 1M K&W on the same page. [http://www.president.ir/cronicnews/...301/800301.htm]

As long as the dead are not Americans WHO CARES. Yep, that is the mentality of the fools for capitalism. The ones who believe Latinos are evil due to their culture. The ones who hide behind religious fervor and hipocrisy to avoid being accountable for their lies and propaganda. The ones who want to believe desperately that the USA gov't is good and that anything not the USA is bad. For the fools for capitalism without analysis. Genocide is justified. What do I think? I think the super ignorant who only believe whatever the conquerers tell them without any kind of intelligence will be very good patsies when the time comes for sending out some cannon fodder into that hellhole of a place without any end or neat solution in site. As I said before nothing happens in history in a vaccumm or out of the blue. It doesn't.

Folks, do you notice that the Marxist does not point any blame on the Terrorist Insurgents? The Marxist conveniently blames the EVIL USA while the Marxist spends and enjoys a lifestyle of a Capitalist and takes for granted the freedoms given through blood. Judge for yourself.

[Suki]

I don't see this war going away quickly. And I see more people becoming disaffected. If there is a draft I doubt the phony excuses of heroes and bringing freedom and democracy at the end of a gun is going to fly as the 'real' reason why the USA military is there at all, that excuse and lie is wearing thin as it is. Left or right.

Mas tiempo pasa mas larga se ponen las mentiras como la nariz del vaquero retardado mental.

But, they could not say they weren't warned and told before going in.

The Iraqis live in their nation, I know this is difficult for some to grasp but the USA doesn't own the entire lands of the entire terrestrial globe. There are people who actually believe they have a right to sovereignty no matter how bad the local tyrant is. I know that is hard for the slow to understand.

If they continue to ignore the image they keep creating with the death tolls of people who are not the terrorists. Again, where is Bin Laden's head? Where? All I see are a growing insurgency. Didn't anybody see last night's CBS' 60 minutes? CIA analyst specializing in Bin Laden and Al Quada said, invading Iraq was a huge mistake. Even he knows the imperialism is not going to solve the issue. The only ones who believe the invasion made things better and not worse are the fools who believe all the lies from day one and ignore the hard facts. The USA got an image problem. And it is not just with average Boricuas




Corporate Greed is what this war is about. Bottom line.



Si senores y senoras, el billete es lo que conmueve a los republicanos. Y para los bobos que se creen todas las mentiras gigantescas de los conservadores ya tienen la imagen mas apropiada. This is what all that genocide and death is all about in the Gulf....




Notice folks how this person lies constantly. He thinks by being an assimilated sellout and not realizing he is part of a conquered nation who's basic rights are being compromised and by denying who he is he might make some money. Lol. He is mistaken. He is destined to be a man with no values. Forever. It is not about money and lifestyle. It is about values. If he doesn't understand that he is a fool. But Hey what else is new. The Puerto Ricans who have gotten educations and worked did not get a free ride. No one does who is not as Miranda calls the 'white overclass'. But, he only wants people who spout his stupid rhetoric. I won't. I think the system is rotten. And those who don't acknowledge it are fools. I don't worry about someone coming to my house to steal my thrift store finds. LOL. I don't have nightmares about people stealing my worldly goods. I don't give a damn about that which is there but which doesn't define who I am. The furniture doesn't own me. Or possess my every thought. It does to those living in the Cuban exile community and who are petrified of anything the left says. They can't live unless they try to get in the last foolish word.

I should be grateful for capitalism? These people are downright insane to believe that. My people (boricuas) have sweated, worked and toiled for years for whatever they eventually got. They were productive and through all their productiveness gave a lot more than they took. They are people of work and sweat. And the only ones who should be grateful to them are the fat lazy Capitalistic overbloated CEO's like Ken Lay and company who make huge amounts of money without any right to spout his stupidity about freedom. Freedom for who? For himself. Sorry, I am not going to be grateful to a rotten system. If anyone thinks Borinquen should be grateful to the USA and that the USA did not get more out of Borinquen than what Borinquen has given in return has been duped. Anyone who thinks the Spanish American war was fought to liberate Puerto Rico, the Philippines and Cuba from the tyranny of the Spanish crown and not to benefit the need for sugar of industrial post civil war USA economics, and for cheap labor and for military expansionism and geo-political control is an ignoramus. I am not going to be grateful to a society that created so much unemployment that many native Boricuas had to leave and look for survival jobs in the mainland under dire straits. I am not going to be grateful to those who benefit from the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and refuse to acknowledge that the only reason they can go study anything in Florida or Georgia or some other former Southern Cracker state without fear of being beaten or killed is because of the left and the protestors. I think they need to get down on their knees and say, "Thank you communists, socialists, white liberals, Black civil rights activists for letting me get this crummy token job I have now." If you can't do that, don't ask me to be grateful to a bunch of loser Ken Lay types NO WAY! LOL!!

Grow up already. Cambia la misma cantaleta de estupideces ya!

[AnotherRican]

Mas tiempo pasa mas larga se ponen las mentiras como la nariz del vaquero retardado mental.

La personal NeoMarxista no tiene la nariz alargado... no porque un cierra se la corto!

If they continue to ignore the image they keep creating with the death tolls of people who are not the terrorists. Again, where is Bin Laden's head? Where? All I see are a growing insurgency.

What is the NeoMarxist's solution to stamp out terrorism? We have not heard of any solution from the Rican that wants Marxism and Socialism in PR.

How many terrorists have attacked the USA since 9/11 and after we liberated Afghanistan? The NeoMarxist ignores these facts.

Corporate Greed is what this war is about. Bottom line.

Yup... that's an ole moldy mantra. Let me see... Berrios has no greed, right? Bras has no greed, right? Marxism has no greed, right? Marxism is not imperialistic, right? All corporations are greedy, right? All Capitalists are greedy, right? No Marxist is greedy, right? Aha... yeah right!

Si senores y senoras, el billete es lo que conmueve a los republicanos. Y para los bobos que se creen todas las mentiras gigantescas de los conservadores ya tienen la imagen mas apropiada. This is what all that genocide and death is all about in the Gulf....

Aha... this NeoMarxist is the bastion of truth. I wonder where a NeoMarxist calibrates on a Truth Scale...

Notice folks how this person lies constantly. He thinks by being an assimilated sellout and not realizing he is part of a conquered nation who's basic rights are being compromised and by denying who he is he might make some money. Lol. He is mistaken. He is destined to be a man with no values. Forever. It is not about money and lifestyle. It is about values. If he doesn't understand that he is a fool. But Hey what else is new.

We are all glad that this person with their with pontifications has now shared the absolute truth with us. The Marxist has not sold out nor is planning to sell out but to take from the Puerto Rican peoples their inheritances. They are not vendidos because they are lackies of an imperialistic movement in history. Aha...

I don't worry about someone coming to my house to steal my thrift store finds. LOL. I don't have nightmares about people stealing my worldly goods. I don't give a damn about that which is there but which doesn't define who I am. The furniture doesn't own me. Or possess my every thought.

Right... then why doesn't the Burguesita invite homeless to her home when she eats sumptious dinners? Why doesn't the NeoMarxist give all her possessions away? What keeps her in the hateful USA and not move to Chavez' Disaster or the Barbudo's hangout.

It does to those living in the Cuban exile community and who are petrified of anything the left says. They can't live unless they try to get in the last foolish word.

Of course, NeoMarxist give themselves immunity to this same kind of reaction [get in the last FOOLish word]. They change the rules and exclude themselves. They attempt to make themselves look magnaminous and kind. We all know that's bull.

I should be grateful for capitalism? These people are downright insane to believe that.

The NeoMarxist that owns two cars, a home, has a good job and travels to resort islands must then be "downright insane" because her words don't match up with her life.

Grow up already. Cambia la misma cantaleta de estupideces ya!

Ahhhhh, that's not nice that you get to decide what is "estupideces" and we cannot... That sounds like you are better. [Elitism]

[Suki]

Study this first so you can brush up on it a bit:

http://spanish.about.com/cs/forbegin...eg_lessons.htm

The only person who refuses to realize that in Capitalism no one is given a free ride and much less the Latin American workers. No free ride. It is all living off the fat of the working people. That is how the system thrives. No surplus value and no paying only one tenth of production or so there is no profit. No profit no pyramid system. No pyramid system, no economy of any sort. Who supports the system? Not the top of the pyramid. The Pyramid relies on the huge foundation at the bottom. If it doesn't have a solid foundation the pyramid top crumbles. Yes, anybody knows that. Except those challenged beyond help.
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