Challenge: For All Bush and Iraq War Haters

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NUFF SAID!!

[onevoice]

I have not been here for a while; in fact I am posting under a new name because I forgot my password. A lot has changed over the past couple of years; more personal attacks I guess.

I did want to make a comment on the scenario that AnotherRican brings up. We have to keep in mind that the picture that he paints is a direct result of the Bush administration's tactics of fear. They want us to believe that we are not safe without them and they justify their actions with the proliferation of terror. They packaged the war in fear and they deal with their adversaries through intimidation. Those that speak out against Bush are accused of not being Patriots and we have seen that those that go on the record (Joe Wilson) are attacked ruthlessly.

As someone who is new to this discussion, it seems that AnotherRican agrees with these kinds of tactics.

[AnotherRican]

Originally Posted by onevoice

I have not been here for a while; in fact I am posting under a new name because I forgot my password. A lot has changed over the past couple of years; more personal attacks I guess.

I did want to make a comment on the scenario that AnotherRican brings up. We have to keep in mind that the picture that he paints is a direct result of the Bush administration's tactics of fear. They want us to believe that we are not safe without them and they justify their actions with the proliferation of terror. They packaged the war in fear and they deal with their adversaries through intimidation. Those that speak out against Bush are accused of not being Patriots and we have seen that those that go on the record (Joe Wilson) are attacked ruthlessly.

As someone who is new to this discussion, it seems that AnotherRican agrees with these kinds of tactics.

Folks, I saw this direct attack and I felt I needed to answer this fellow concerning his distortions. But I'm on my way out of here.

First, he exhibits the naive mentality that brought to us 9/11 and that the French have had but now are reaping with all the IslamoFascists burning down France. He is incredibly naive and trusting towards predators that smell blood when we lie down as open prey. That's just plain stupidity!

Second, Joe Wilson published his "covert" comments despite needing to run them by the CIA to make sure it was Okay. He broke protocol here. Joe Wilson is glorymongering, like Clinton, in wanting to be all over the press. His wife was not a covert operative. The left is hypocritical since they (Wash. Post and NY Times) revealed Top Secret info on our locations, thus causing much more damage than the Joe Wilson flap. Joe Wilson is a jerk that the media made into a darling (like Cindy Sheehan). Joe is the bat the lefty media tries to use to hate Bush with.

Thirdly, at best this guy is a poor patriot because he is endangering the country via his naivette. He should move to France and join the emasculated men there that love their behinds and look at themselves in the mirror narcissistically. He is a poor naive guy like many of the peacniks here that have their heads stuck up their dark orifices. I'm sure the IslamoFascists laughs at this guy and consider him very stupid. He is a useful fool.

[Yujike]

Did you guys see how everything associated with el embustero Bush and Another Rican so vehemently defends was defeated in yesterday's election??


With the exception of Mike Bloomberg(the only winner) who dished out 70 million of his own $ and the Governor of Virginia (another loser) invited Bush the last day of the campaign and kept him far far away from the electors in Virginia. Arnold Manylettersinhisname, was defeated in EVERY one of his proposals, after spending millions of his own $.

Bush has the reverse Midas Touch, everything he touches turn into shiiii...ttt!!

Finally the country is waking up from the nightmare of the Bush presidency and soon he will be impeached.


Anoher Rican, when are YOU going to wake up??

[onevoice]

I wanted to thank you for proving my point.

What brought us to 9/11 is something that happens all over this country; a disgruntled employee out looking for revenge on his employer. Are we forgetting that Daddy Bush was Osama’s boss back when he was director of the CIA?

I apologize AnotherRican, I did not know that you were a member of the CIA thus making you more qualified to speak to proper procedure and protocol within that agency. You are no doubt in the covert ops department; my last guess would be intelligence gathering.

I have to applaud you on using three paragraphs to make it seem like you are arguing a point using three points of reference. Your paragraphs say nothing except for they lead up to a half witted way of calling me a “non-patriot.”

I don’t know who you are or your personal background, so I will spare the personal remarks. I see by your cartoons at the end of your post, that you must have been a big fan of Reagan’s trickle down economics.

Keep rolling that fear machine and vote for Cheney or yet a third Bush (Jeb) when they push him up to the podium. It is unfortunate that you live with such terror.

[AnotherRican]

Originally Posted by onevoice

I wanted to thank you for proving my point.

What brought us to 9/11 is something that happens all over this country; a disgruntled employee out looking for revenge on his employer. Are we forgetting that Daddy Bush was Osama’s boss back when he was director of the CIA?

I apologize AnotherRican, I did not know that you were a member of the CIA thus making you more qualified to speak to proper procedure and protocol within that agency. You are no doubt in the covert ops department; my last guess would be intelligence gathering.

It is common knowledge the Joe Wilson's wife was not in covert operations. Read more for a change. Before the whole issue came forth, he published an article in a leading newspaper betraying his own words and making him a hypocrite. The Liberal media deliberately ignores that. This is pure and simply hatred for a Conservative President. The Liberal media (and you) hate the President. The hypocrisy of all you lefties (and lefty media: NY Times/Wash. Post) is that no one is crying foul at the leak of CIA interrogation centers abroad. That is worse than the exposure of the non-covert operative Mrs. Wilson. Of course, you and your buds will look the other way because this is about hating a president you despise (like your cronies in the media). The liberal hypocrisy is clear here. It is OK to trash the pres on the CIA issue but the Libs are off the hook for worse transgression of the leak of CIA Covert operative locations throughout the world. Here we see the lack of integrity and the trashy morals of liberals/lefties.

I do call you a non-patriot because if you knew how much damage you do by your hatred and ostrich mentality, you would think differently. You, in my opinion, hold a seditious position.

As for "fear machine" the Liberals have that corner. They are consistently doom and gloom and hateful about America and this president {via flooding the airwaves and print media}. Every single opportunity they can, they will trash this prez, even to the point of espousing ridiculous thoughts such as Bush caused the Katrina Hurricane because of his policies that create global warming. Such is the wacky world you live with your Lib blindmen.

[onevoice]

Again, it is interesting how I talk about Osama and his connection to the Bush family and you go back to Joe Wilson, who I was done with.

Also, I don't think that Bush has anything to do with the weather, so please don't pretend to have me pegged just because I have posted a handful of times. Again, even though you have shown surprising restraint when communicating with me (compared to the way you treat some on this board), you use anger and diversion to try and make a point that is never made.

Your opinions boil down to name calling and accusations, why can't you try to prove your point in a clear, civil, and concise way.

You say that the liberal media is responsible for exagerating everything and the only channels you refer to are newspapers that no one reads because of their track record. Do you really think Fox's fair and balanced coverage is liberal? If you do you need to re-evaluate your definition of the word.

There is nothing wrong with being conservative, but you are so defensive about something, perhaps a traumatic event in your life, that you are quick to label things. Rican, I am not sure if you have noticed, but this world is not black and white, we are drowning in grey. To point out Bush's failures is not to hate the man, it is to call a spade a spade.

I don't support the war, but I support our troops. I don't support our President, but I whole heartedly believe in our system of government; there is nothing on earth like it. I don't think that you are a bad person just because your opinion differs from mine, I just don't agree with your anger. Why do you think parties are so polarized? Don't you think we accomplish more by discussing things rather than arguing about them?

The problem of terrorism is real and just like everything else in life is very complicated. I think you mentioned something about closing our borders, which is all fine and good, but where does the line get drawn? How would you feel if some crazy religious Puerto Rican sect was responsible for 9/11 and the US dumped PR without self determination and locked all Puerto Ricans up in a camp? Let us not even go that far, let us just say that the most extreme measures of the Patriot Act would have passed and the US government saw a bunch of Puerto Ricans gathering to post to a discussion board and they decided they did not want us to talk about statehood, independence, or commonwealth. They would need very little to shut us down or infringe on our constitutional rights. Do these things seem far fetched? They have put Japanese americans in camps because they were a danger to national security and have you ever heard of COINTELPRO? These things have happened before and there is nothing to stop them from happening again if we let our leaders run rough shot in the name of whatever. it is my opinion, again I am not saying that it is fact, that you put too much faith in mere men. Bush has a lot of good qualities; he is religious and has a pretty good track record when it comes to education. One of the qualities that eludes him is sound judgement, again in my opinion.

I did not vote for Bush, but I was not comfortable voting for just any candidate on the other side either. In my opinion, if the democrats could not put a formidable man to run against Bush, then we must suffer the consequences and they have to get their act together. I do believe that when my kids take history in high school, the history books will not be kind to his presidency and it will be deserved. My main concern is that hopefully by then, I will not have to worry about whether my son is going to Iraq or not.

Good luck to you.