HezBULLah has 10,000 Rockets!

[EL_BORICUA]

The fact that Hezbolla is operating in civilian areas does not excuse the fact that Israel goes in and destroys a whole village and the hell with the women and children and aged in that village,that is a sick argument,it reminds me of the old west,when an indian raiding party would attack a settlement,settlers would go out and kill any indians they found whether they were involved or not,and thats how Israelis and Bush sees Arabs,they go by that old army saying "kill'em all let God sort'em out" and that is wrong.
The so called war on terrorism started well enough when we and the world went into Afghanistan in search of Al-Qaeda and this was the right move they had a true global reach and are still a danger.
The war on Iraq was the dumbest thing among the dumb things Bush has done,lets see what has happened,Saddam love'em or hate'em was an A--hole but he kept Iran in check he also kept the Shia in check in Iraq,today Iran has dictates to the Shia MAJORITY in Iraq.
U.S. troops are dying every day trying to keep the Sunnis and the Shiites from killng each other and now we hear rumblings from the Kurds in the north who also want their own country.
Iraq was not a threat to the U.S. or Israel but it will be,and we will have to pull out like we did in Viet-Nam,I just hope it doesnt take 50,000+ dead.
Hamas is not a terror organization,they are fighting for independence and they have no global reach and are not a threat to the U.S. lets face it today we see Israel claiming that there is a UN resolution to disarm Hezbollah,this is true,and that they are doing this,OK,there are also UN resolutions that say that Israel should stop building settlements in the west bank,there are resolutions stating that a Palestinian should exist in these territories,why does Israel ignore these resolutions.
Hezbollah may but it likely does not have global reach but they are Shia and controled by Iran and will by a pain to Israel for a while because of that,Israel will not destroy Hezbollah it may get more support for its fight with Israel.
I thought that Carter would go down as the most ineffective president in recent history,but G.W.Bush will go down as the worst in history the world will be more dangerous when he leaves than when he got there his policies have been tragic to the middle east and he is an embarassment in the eyes of the world.

[AnotherRican]

Originally Posted by EL_BORICUA

The fact that Hezbolla is operating in civilian areas does not excuse the fact that Israel goes in and destroys a whole village and the hell with the women and children and aged in that village,that is a sick argument,it reminds me of the old west,when an indian raiding party would attack a settlement,settlers would go out and kill any indians they found whether they were involved or not,and thats how Israelis and Bush sees Arabs,they go by that old army saying "kill'em all let God sort'em out" and that is wrong.
The so called war on terrorism started well enough when we and the world went into Afghanistan in search of Al-Qaeda and this was the right move they had a true global reach and are still a danger.
The war on Iraq was the dumbest thing among the dumb things Bush has done,lets see what has happened,Saddam love'em or hate'em was an A--hole but he kept Iran in check he also kept the Shia in check in Iraq,today Iran has dictates to the Shia MAJORITY in Iraq.
U.S. troops are dying every day trying to keep the Sunnis and the Shiites from killng each other and now we hear rumblings from the Kurds in the north who also want their own country.
Iraq was not a threat to the U.S. or Israel but it will be,and we will have to pull out like we did in Viet-Nam,I just hope it doesnt take 50,000+ dead.
Hamas is not a terror organization,they are fighting for independence and they have no global reach and are not a threat to the U.S. lets face it today we see Israel claiming that there is a UN resolution to disarm Hezbollah,this is true,and that they are doing this,OK,there are also UN resolutions that say that Israel should stop building settlements in the west bank,there are resolutions stating that a Palestinian should exist in these territories,why does Israel ignore these resolutions.
Hezbollah may but it likely does not have global reach but they are Shia and controled by Iran and will by a pain to Israel for a while because of that,Israel will not destroy Hezbollah it may get more support for its fight with Israel.
I thought that Carter would go down as the most ineffective president in recent history,but G.W.Bush will go down as the worst in history the world will be more dangerous when he leaves than when he got there his policies have been tragic to the middle east and he is an embarassment in the eyes of the world.

You still don't get it, don't you?

Your neighbors are abducting your children. They plan on obliterating you and have attempted it already in smaller ways. They have made shots at your people. They have rockets and guns pointed at your family homes and neighborhood. They have gone on the record that you don't have the right to exist. THEY HAVE SENT SUICIDE BOMBERS AND HAVE KILLED YOUR CHILDREN AND WIVES. They want you dead. Their weaponry is being shot from civilian areas. You have notified those civilians to flee via phones, TV, radio, and leaflets dropped from planes. You've given them land. They want you dead, still. They are terrorists.

What part of this don't you understand?

What is YOUR solution bubba?... since you know so much!

[EL_BORICUA]

I could tell you are a conservative,since you just keep repeating the same mantra continuously,the fact is that you can drop leaflets until you run out paper if poor people cannot leave then what,Israels answer is to kill the old,the women,the children,cause they are not destroying Hezbollah.To destroy Lebanon and kill its people is wrong and just as terroristic as Hezbollah's actions the rest of the world sees it only D.C. and Tel-Aviv think its right.
There is a cease fire resolution being worked on in the UN if it passes and a cease fire goes into effect,then Israel will have handed Hezbollah a victory with this dumb over reaction.
By the way if I called the shots in Israel I would have had a prisoner exchange and also something that Israel is very good at,targeted assasinations of Hezbollah leaders.
Unfortunately they chose this mess and they were wrong.

[AnotherRican]

Originally Posted by EL_BORICUA

I could tell you are a conservative,since you just keep repeating the same mantra continuously,the fact is that you can drop leaflets until you run out paper if poor people cannot leave then what,Israels answer is to kill the old,the women,the children,cause they are not destroying Hezbollah.To destroy Lebanon and kill its people is wrong and just as terroristic as Hezbollah's actions the rest of the world sees it only D.C. and Tel-Aviv think its right.
There is a cease fire resolution being worked on in the UN if it passes and a cease fire goes into effect,then Israel will have handed Hezbollah a victory with this dumb over reaction.

By the way if I called the shots in Israel I would have had a prisoner exchange and also something that Israel is very good at,targeted assasinations of Hezbollah leaders.
Unfortunately they chose this mess and they were wrong.

Also, I is funny that you can invoke the "mantra" thing when you don't see your own predictable views that sell out to terrorists. It is humorous to see that you guys cut yourself a lot of slack on the very same issues you love to trash us with. That's called hipocrisy!

Bori, we all can tell you are an old moldy Liberal because you sound the same old mantra of surrender, and being pro-UN-Thugs, and attacking Israel for defending themselves. The UN is a laughing stock. I wish we would pull out of it because it is full of anti-Americans.

As for your "brilliant idea" it has already been in existence for as long as Israel has been targeted by terrorists. Remember "Raid on Entebe?" That is just one example of how good Israel is at what you suggested and has been already doing. It is not enough when your soldiers are getting abducted despite giving up land, when your children are getting blown up, when you see amassing hundreds and hundred of rockets and launchers in civilian areas. Targeted assasinations doesn't work in that case. Bright idea, Einstein!

[EL_BORICUA]

Again your lack of the facts drives you to insult instead of debating,you do not appear to have a clue.
You claim to be a psychologist,then you should find out why you insist on seeing things only in black and white.
You called me a "liberal" a "moldy" one at that,I guess it will suprise you to know that I voted for G.W.Bush I do regret it but I did vote for him,I guess I fell for the we're at war B.S.,I also voted for his father and Ronald Reagan I was what they called a "Reagan Democrat" so you labeling me as a "liberal" shows childlike ignorance.
I do agree with you that the UN is pretty much useless,the concept is a good one but to give some countries veto powers pretty much makes them useless.
And as for my "brilliant" idea well I thought it could work and you disagree and I accept that yet your example of the "Raid on Entebbe" actually shows that you have no clue as to what targeted assasinations are,the "Raid" was a brilliant military operation to rescue hostages that were being held in a known location,what I was saying was negotiate the release of POWs then make them pay like they did after their olympic team was killed.
I suggest that you should get your facts straight,have some of your shrink friends treat you for anger and paranoia,or at least have a drink before you attempt to debate,you dont have to reply unless it makes you feel better and you feel the need to be angry and insult,cause you cant handle debate.Good Night Sir

[AnotherRican]

Originally Posted by EL_BORICUA

Again your lack of the facts drives you to insult instead of debating,you do not appear to have a clue.
You claim to be a psychologist,then you should find out why you insist on seeing things only in black and white.

Oh pleeease... spare me that pompous platitude. Don't try shaming on me because it does not work. Is that all you Lefties can do? Shame, doom, cry, negativism, hatred, etc.?

Bori, if I recall quite distinctively, you do not typically reference your statements and they are more dogmatic statements than facts. Don't preach at me when you dropped your trousers, bud.

Being a counseling professional with a Ph.D. does not mean that either kind cannot have strong opinions about anything. It is one thing the counseling setting and it is quite another the forum of debates and ideas. What you imply is that you are entitled to your incredibly bombastic, dogmatic, and Liberal views but we Conservatives cannot have opinions like you guys. That is conveniently changing the rules of engagement much like playground bullies do when they are cornered and are losing the argument/battle. You're just wimping out and trying to shame me (childish antic) since your arguments are poor.

You called me a "liberal" a "moldy" one at that,I guess it will suprise you to know that I voted for G.W.Bush I do regret it but I did vote for him,I guess I fell for the we're at war B.S.,I also voted for his father and Ronald Reagan I was what they called a "Reagan Democrat" so you labeling me as a "liberal" shows childlike ignorance.

Nope... your words say it plainly. You are a Democrat that voted for Conservative candidates. You are plainly taking the LIberal and Lefty position held by the Dems, the extreme Left, and those who hate Israel and love the wimps of the UN. Your statements prove you are a Liberal at this point.

I do agree with you that the UN is pretty much useless,the concept is a good one but to give some countries veto powers pretty much makes them useless.

And as for my "brilliant" idea well I thought it could work and you disagree and I accept that yet your example of the "Raid on Entebbe" actually shows that you have no clue as to what targeted assasinations are,the "Raid" was a brilliant military operation to rescue hostages that were being held in a known location,what I was saying was negotiate the release of POWs then make them pay like they did after their olympic team was killed.

Nope... I know my example well. It was to show the Israeli resolve.
But that withstanding, you don't think that there were not any civilians killed in that raid? Yet you praise it. Hmmmm...

I suggest that you should get your facts straight,have some of your shrink friends treat you for anger and paranoia,or at least have a drink before you attempt to debate,you dont have to reply unless it makes you feel better and you feel the need to be angry and insult,cause you cant handle debate.Good Night Sir

Oh pleeeease, there you go again with pompous, "I'm better than you because I am able to shame you" yet you don't look in the mirror at the manner you make your posts and display your dogmatism without proof and make outlandish attacks and statements. Again, you are trying to change the field and how you engage in it. You conveniently excuse your antics and take on the airs of moral and psychological superiority. That's called blindness and arrogance, which shuts the mind and the heart to the truth. Have a nice nap/sleep... you need it to clear that Liberalism disorder from your head.

[Eddier1]

El_Boricua is correct in the view that Hesbullah has come out on top in what to me is the very first round of WWIII.

Yes, indeed, despite the absent impact of all U.N. resolutions (what countries or leaders really take seriously what the U.N. says or does these days?). Only Israel would appeal for a U.N. coalition force composed of military elements from other countries, and expect results. It isn't going to happen anymore. No more ineffective police actions by the U.N., in fact they already informed Israel that they would not send any troops to the Lebanan front.

It's over for the U.N. and only die-hard conservatives are still living in the past and haven't realized it. WWIII has begun, and who knows if the consequences of it will be apocalyptic.