The problem with L_ F_ Miranda

[RPR]

I know that if one is well versed in literature one will know that many stories have been written about characters who have beeen dealt a lesson beacause of their ego.Perhaps it just me but one certain poster on here seems to suffer from an over inflated ego.

Don't misunsdestand what I'm saying because I do enjoy reading your take on PR politics. Like Suki said, you never really know who your audience is when you are posting on a message board.It can go far beyond the 3 or 4 supercial hits on a website and not only that but it can be reaching those that can truly make a difference.

Getting back to my post. Would it be ok if you tone it down a bit? We are Puerto Ricans after all and we are supposed to be humble.However, you surely do not fit this mold.Its ok but maybe posters would be more receptive to your opinions if you weren't so cocky when sharing them.


Your message is not an easy one to swalow(PR's should be more accountable for their actions and destiny). That what I gather at least.Yet, you seem to factor your way out of this equation. I am not trying to personalize this. However, it is mind boggling to read a poster single out everything they think is wrong with PR society from the comfort of their stateside home.

We all have the right to our opinons and thats all that it is.When it comes down to it,we all live in the US and are not as in tune as we think we are.

[Yujike]

[size="4"]So you are saying that this Miranda character is just a more sophisticated rican-hater like Neron/Faraon/Al rojo vivo? I agree![/SIZE]

[RPR]

I'm late to this thread....


Sometimes, you have to wonder who is more entertaining with their posts. I just think that they both are "shock posters" in the same vein as "shock dj's" like Howard Stern or Don Imus.

[Stanley]

Originally Posted by RPR

I'm late to this thread....


Sometimes, you have to wonder who is more entertaining with their posts. I just think that they both are "shock posters" in the same vein as "shock dj's" like Howard Stern or Don Imus.

Hmm------ what is the issue?

Miranda is too blunt?
Miranda does not sugar coat his remarks?
Miranda is not politically correct?
Has Miranda said something that is an absolute lie?

Miranda and I share some views. The most prominent issue we agree is the damage of “US ghetto hood culture” in the island. The other issue we share is the delusion of Puerto Ricans and the africanization of our culture by Nuyoricans.

The comparison to Don Imus is incorrect. Don Imus said something derogatory about black people and that is a no-no because he is not black. Perhaps MIranda said something derogatory about Puerto Rico, however he is Puerto Rican. We all know the word “ni----ger” is often acceptable when it is exclusively used by blacks on blacks and highly unacceptable when used by another ethnic group. If Miranda was Mexican or Dominican I could see the outrage.

This is what I would do: Emulate Suki! She presents a strong opposite point of view and does not try to use PC bulldookie.

[L_F_Miranda]

The late Manuel Maldonado Denis, a very well respected independentista intellectual once said: "Los Puertorriqueños que viven allá fuera sufren de los delirios de la distancia," possibly meaning that they've concocted a world view that differs from those on the island.

When he said it back in the late 60's, when I was in college at the UPR, I didn't quite get it. However as I participate more and more on these forums I notice that there is a rift, two world's colliding, one of Puerto Ricans who are comfortable within their ethnic boundaries and the other of Puerto Ricans who have an idealized vision of what Puerto Ricans should or should not be, should say or should not say.

I fully understand the reasons for this dynamic. Puerto Ricans reared in the states are very sensitive to being put in the spot light, of having "los trapos puestos al sol." Its uncomfortable and leaves us vulnerable in a society where other ethnic groups are just looking for an excuse to put us down. Therefore the solution is, "we MUST keep critiques light and positive."

That might be why RPR stressed that "we are supposed to be humble."

Stateside Puerto Ricans might have to follow this path fearing others finding out our faults and then using them against us. Those raised and eduacated past universtity on the island, and firm in their ethnicity, have nothing to fear. In fact, if RPR takes a look at the PIP forum where Carlos Irrizarry or Lopez Aleman write occasionally , He might come to the conclusion that this forum is populated by self hating Puerto Ricans.

I think the problem is that, as RPR states himself, My writings tend to stress what is wrong about Puerto Rican society, I don't put in any positive traits.

Not true. The problem is that I'm up to my nose reading about our folkoric wonders, our food, of how fantastic we are, on how oppressed and mis-understood we are, how racism has affected our education and progress, how we, as a humble people will survive.

My dillema with this "colonial think" is that other groups, like Dominicans are getting ahead despite the fact they came after us. Something is not right with this picture. Why are we falling behind?

Nontheless stateside Ricans refuse to budge, refuse to attack the problem head on except to place the blame on theoretical factors, applying 19th century theories that do not apply any more. Instead of geting our act together as a people we just.......... push the Puerto Rican Day parade and feel proud of Jennifer Lopez when she sang "Jenny from the block", serving as a role model for our girls. With this role model we might as well idealize Anna Nichole Smith! LOL

Its about time we Puerto Ricans start discussing, "what the hell is wrong!" Have a "Dialoigo nacional." which only seems to happen among those for independence living in Puerto Rico. Those living in the U.S feel its not their place to be blunt, others might be watching and use it against us.

I for one don't have that problem. My identity, as I think Stanley's, is forged in stone. We feel sure of ourselves. Stateside Ricans might feel threatened with too much reality check.

That's why the ones who use terms like "Self-Hating Puerto Ricans" are mainly mainlanders. In Puerto Rico this term is used only for Statehoders like Doña Miriam.

RPR, I invite you and others to come into the dialog, try to drop the Cliché's, and contribute openly instead of writing a few lines that don't contribute much. Question the IDEAS I WRITE, not me as a person! GIVE YOUR VERSION, Cleanse your soul man, it about time!

[Yujike]

Don RPR. este problema es uno de raza y no de politica. Me atrevo a apostar peso a morisqueta que Miranda y Stanley son blanquitos de PR y su grupusculo es el que ha dominado y domina todos los aspectos de la vida en PR y otros grupos descendientes de los blancos espanoles, los cuales dominan TODOS los paises de habla hispana en el continente. Leete La casa en la laguna de Rosario Ferre donde se exponen las practicas de este grupo blanco dominante en PR, como mantenian un libro de "pureza racial" donde los hijos debian casarse con blancos descendientes de espanoles y nunca mezclarse con negros, indios o judios y a envolverse en empresas comerciales con los de su mismo grupo. Estos dominan el PPD, el PNP y el PIP, en un tiempo los populares se referian a este grupo como el Grupo de los 600. Este Stanley me ha atacado personalmente muchas veces diciendo que debo ser neuyorican aunque incontables veces le he dicho que nunca he vivido en Nueva York. En otros posteos el ha defendido a Colon como un gran personaje de la historia y no como el genocida que fue y se ha molestado porque he atacado a los espanoles con su programa de explotacion y genocidio en las Americas. A estos blanquitos les molesta la "africanizacion" ( un tema favorito de Stanley) de PR aunque esta es la mayoria etnica que compone la isla. Atacan a los "mongrels" neuyoricans como los que han contaminado nuestra cultura porque como blanquitos les desagrada esta idea y la rechazan constantemente (uno de los temas de Miranda es la "cafreria") No se si tu eres una persona de color o del mismo grupo de ellos, pero no pases desapercibido este hecho de este grupo dominante en PR y que estos dos energumenos se sienten parte de esa elite, la defienden y le echan la culpa de todos los problemas que afectan la isla en los demas grupos, los neuyorican y los cafres ( que originalmente era un grupo proveniente de Africa!!).

[Stanley]

Originally Posted by Yujike

Don RPR. este problema es uno de raza y no de politica.

Dices que no eres Nuyorican. Sin embargo lo primero que haces es hablar de raza. El problema de PR no es la raza ni que ocho cuartos.

El problema es la cafrería, el patriotismo pacotilla, la idea de que es lindo sacarle provecho al sistema en vez de trabajar duro, la falta de ética, la idea de que ya no somos hispanos sino africanos, la confunsión mental o sicosis de no tener ni puta idea de quienes somos, y el complejo.

Originally Posted by Yujike

Me atrevo a apostar peso a morisqueta que Miranda y Stanley son blanquitos de PR y su grupusculo es el que ha dominado y domina todos los aspectos de la vida en PR y otros grupos descendientes de los blancos espanoles, los cuales dominan TODOS los paises de habla hispana en el continente.

No es cuestión de blancura-------Es la realidad de latinoamérica y de todos los paises del mundo. El que nace en una familia con recursos y valores sale adelante mas facilmente que el que nace en el fanguito. Esto también se aplica a los morenos norteamericanos. Personas como Bama, Rice, Powell, ect vienen de familias afro-americanas que tienen un padre, una madre, y buenos valores. La sentencia mas grande hacia la cafrería es nacer en una familia cafre. Como dice Miranda, también aplica a los anglosajones como Anna Nicole Smith. Por favor no vean todo a traves del prisma de la raza. Eso es una manía muy fea del negro norteamericano.

Originally Posted by Yujike

En otros posteos el ha defendido a Colon como un gran personaje de la historia y no como el genocida que fue y se ha molestado porque he atacado a los espanoles con su programa de explotacion y genocidio en las Americas.

Cristobal Colón no se puede juzgar con la ideología del siglo XXI. Colón fue un gran personaje histórico y eso no se puede borrar. La historia no se puede re-escribir.

Originally Posted by Yujike

A estos blanquitos les molesta la "africanizacion" ( un tema favorito de Stanley) de PR aunque esta es la mayoria etnica que compone la isla.

Que disparatero eres ché. Por eso es que siempre he creido que eres nuyorican. Si vas a PR y te tiras a la calle vas a notar lo siguiente:

Son pocos los que pasan por puros europeos. Claro en algo tienens razón. Si te codeas con la crema de la sociedad la cantidad de individuos con razgos europeos es mas alto-----las razones son obvias.

Los demás puertorriqueños demuestran una variedad de matices trigueños. Unos tienene razgos africanos, otros razgos indígenas, y otros parecen criollos.

En el 1999 El Dr. Martinez Cruzado geneticista graduado de Harvard hizo el estudio genético del puertorriqueño.

30% Africano
60% Indígena
8% europeo (sin lo de arriba)

Eso es lo que vé en la calle.

Claro, en el Bronx la proporción es distinta.

Lo que indica el estudio es que 30% no es mayoría. Pero vamos mas allá. Ni los mismos dominicanos se consideran africanos a pesar de tener un contenido mas alto de ADN africano.

Originally Posted by Yujike

Atacan a los "mongrels" neuyoricans como los que han contaminado nuestra cultura porque como blanquitos les desagrada esta idea y la rechazan constantemente (uno de los temas de Miranda es la "cafreria")

No naciste en PR------------es obvio. Si no has observado la cafrería entonces vives en otro planeta.