Militant Conservatives against P.R. Statehood

[Stanley]

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Miranda:

What I said about Cubans was tongue in cheek. In the US they seem whiter because the 1960s exodus was mostly upper class. Puero Ricans seem darker because the initial exodus to NYC was mostly lower class. However, for many perception is reality.

In any event PR presents a serious problem for all----including the gringos and the PR folks. In the end no one knows how this rather unique relationship will end.

Independentistas like Suki hope for "la patá en el fondillo" to achieve independence for PR. This is rather ironic because when the republic comes I have the feeling that most US based independentistas will stay in the mainland. To me these folks are nothing more than romantic independentistas with an elitist inclination.


Seriously, "la dichosa patá en el fondillo" is more likely than statehood.

Do you have an idea of how the Puertorican people will react to the patá?

What will the gringos do when they see a "Marielito like flotilla" of Boricuas heading to Miami? Ahem----I mean Orlando!

[Suki]

Stanley, first of all if this Serrano HR 900 thing happens, the only Puerto Ricans voting will be the ones stateside who were born in Puerto Rico. That will be me. According to Serrano, island born Puerto Ricans who are living in the USA mainland, should be included. I don't care if 100% of Puerto Ricans vote for statehood. The reality is that in colonialistic relationships the opinions of the colonized are null and void. The reality of Puerto Rico is that it has serious problems and all of it together makes it a dysfunctional reality.

Do I care if a flotilla of boricuas from the island decides to abandon ship and go live in Orlando and environs? No! Puerto Rico needs to start to clean up the mess it has right now. And if many want to go experience what life is like in the USA and the USA has promised them villas y castillas and don't and won't deliver on the promise, that is something they will have to deal with. Most Puerto Ricans born on the island who vote for statehood don't know what it means for real. And are seeking a solution that goes against what the conservative---both traditional, moderate and extremist or neo-con percieves as a pre-requisite for admission into statehood.

Romantic and elitist? I don't think so Stanley. I am being realistic. There is no solution that is long term that doesn't include social responsibility, sacrifice and restraint and hard work and planification. Those wanting to live off pittances off the colonizers, or those who want to consume without restraint and the upper crust without any sense of direction and also colony dependent will be faced with their abysmal failures. By all sides. And will have to make a decision eventually. Experiences are greater teachers of wisdom than anything else. Puerto Ricans and mainlanders must realize that a continued colonialistic relationship without real change is a formula for failure bound to lead to discord and unrest. There is no other outcome for such a relationship.

[Stanley]

Suki:

I was not talking about you regarding the term elitist.

However, I read the PIP forum for several weeks and most pipiolos came across very elitist. It was not uncommon to see posts regarding which was the best digital camera to buy, which sports car was best, where to stay in Europe, ect.

I can tell many of these independentistas are on top economically and many teach at the UPR. They don’t sound like your average puertorro in the streets.

There is one that lives in the USA and makes “mucho dinero”. I believe his name is “Spartacus”. It is comical to hear him talk about socialism while he makes mega bucks in the states. In addition, he is the only one that cannot spell in “Castellano” and he is often mocked by a couple of statehooders.

I must also admit this elitism is beneficial for the level of the discussion and they seem to have a more active board. Perhaps you and Miranda can post there.

CIAO!

[L_F_Miranda]

Stanley asked:
Do you have an idea of how the Puertorican people will react to the patá?

If you travel to Puerto Rico and talk to any one on the street there is a sense that "LA PATÁ" is just around the corner.

In the mean time most are just taking advantage of the moment, in fact most have placed LA PATÁ in the back of their heads and just continue looking for things to buy at Wal-Mart.

What would happen if "LA PATÁ" really comes?

That's anyone's guess. There is the theory, mostly believed by statehooders, that a massive exodus will occur because most of us can't conceive living without Uncle Sam and American Citizenship.

I fact there is a "Brain Drain" as I write.

To many Boricuas life is less complicated in the states. Why? One is not bombarded by a daily litany of crime, political inappropriateness, cafreia, garbage, traffic jams and a lack of respect.

However, many Puerto Ricans are baffled when they find the same things in the states, with the added twist of defined ethnic color lines and out spoken Gringos telling them, SPEAK ENGLISH, This is America!

However the vastness of the nation lets us hide in ghettos, some with middle class trappings like malls, and more malls, but the others who are not so fortunate are relagated to poor black or immigrant ghettos like Liberty city near Miami.

If many thought moving out of the island was enough to escape the Dominicans, they have a lot to learn. LOL

Nonetheless a move might open us to make more money than on the island, thus giving us the relief of drowning our despair in consumerism, 50 inch plasma TV's, SUV's and a lot of green space giving us the impression we are living in Disney World.