A BLIP, A one liner and an insult.

[Suki]

Lo siento Miranda, pero tienes la razon y tambien no tienes la razon.

Es verdad hay unos antipaticos y feos y etc. etc. en Puerto Rico. Pero, los que son buenos de adentro son gente bien buena. Hay de todo en Puerto Rico. Pero, en mi humilde opinion, los hombres que mas yo ha querido en mi vida han sido puertorriquenos. Mi padre, mi esposo, y muchos mas.

Que hay de malo en decir eso? Ya dije que era una opinion completamente subjetiva. Ademas, la musica es algo subjetivo tambien.

Miranda, no eres una excepcion---caes como uno de los mas interesantes.

Suki

[RPR]

Los tres postings anteriores son muy interesantes. Lo que RPR, Sonambulo y Suki estan demonstrando es lo que Juan-Ma llama, en su columna de esta semana, "La violencia simbólica."

Es un especie de resistencia a la asimilación cultural. RPR y Sonambulo se refugian en la música Boricua/latina, aparentemente cerrando filas contra la música no latina del mundo exterior. Por lo que yo entiendo, no es que se cierran totalmente, pues tenemos que dar la apariencia que somos "open-minded."


Bueno, solo puedo hablar de mi postulado y no de los otros dos. A mi siempre me encantado la musica desde pequeño pero tengo voz solo para cantar en la ducha.Aunque tuve la oportunidad de cantar en una banda casera de Salsa pero no me aplique para hacerlo.Por un tiempo cuando era joven trabaje como DJ de radio y en las discotecas por eso relato mucho de mis postulados con la musica.Soy conciente que lo hago. Se debe de que llevo la musica por mis venas como dice el dicho.Tengo conocimiento de musica latina pero en realidad me crie oyendo musica en ingles......so (buzzer sounds) wrong, try again lol.

[L_F_Miranda]

Y Suki arreglando dijo:

Es verdad hay unos antipaticos y feos y etc. etc. en Puerto Rico. Pero, los que son buenos de adentro son gente bien buena. Hay de todo en Puerto Rico. Pero, en mi humilde opinion, los hombres que mas yo ha querido en mi vida han sido puertorriquenos. Mi padre, mi esposo, y muchos mas.

No quita lo que dijo Juan-Ma. Nos aferramos en los nuestro y ofrecemos una resistencia a lo "otro". Es Nacionalismo, es pensar que somos los mejores y los más lindos.

No, no hay nada de malo con esto. Todos los pueblos de la tierra están sujetos a estos pensamientos.

Por ejemplo, Lo Gringos creen que el tipo de mujer flaca con aspecto tuberculoso como la Paris Hilton Y Ann Coulter es el canon de belleza que deben seguir todas las mujeres.

A cambio, los latinos nos gustan mas gorditas, pero no obesas como Monique o Queen Latifa. Mas bien nos gusta el cuerpo de guitarra. Iris Chacón y J-Lo, con sus grandes traseros, son las que me vienen a la mente. LOL

Ahora bien, Tienen que saber COCINAR, si no, no vale. LOL

Todo es asunto de PERCEPCIÓN, NACIÓNALISMO y SABER COCINAR ARROZ Y HABICHELAS!

[Sonambulo]

LF Miranda- I was raised in the inner city; have been in the mainland US since 68; I was a young kid when I got here. My best friends growing up were as follows:
a native born Asian India from Baroda; a native born Chinese from Hong Kong; a white boy from central jersey; a cuban, an ecuadorean, many puerto ricans, and a couple of black kids. My formative years were during the mid seventies to mid eighties; besides our wonderful salsa, I grew up in the classic rock, heavy metal, punk, rap, and disco era. What makes you think I am not open to the "mundo exterior?- because I posted a couple of Gran Combo songs?. Please do not assume things brother.

I sometimes feel, and I am sure many here will concur, the Puerto Rican is under social siege. We are often resented not just by whites but other latinos and even blacks. Sometimes there is even resentment between so called newyoricans and island boricuas. Que cosa?

Suki- thank you for your words about the Puerto Rican man. We have argued and disagreed in the past but you seem to have uphold the honor and dignity of el jibaro borincano, where ever he may be. I feel the same about our beautiful and dignant boricua women and would want all my children to marry one of ours.

How do we maintain our boricua lineage if we are do not stop mixing with other ethnicities. [I can hear the rumbling already- however, we must keep our lineage "pure" or ultimately, we can lose our culture and our identities. Jews understand where I'm coming from. This is a free country and we all have a free will to live our lives how and with whom we choose, I understand this. However, most people here are intelligent enough to understand the complications by intermarrying bring. Some know this from personal experience. This is not a judgement but a point of fact. I am also wise enough to understand that I cannot control who, for example, my children will marry. I hope to encourage them to bring home a good boricua woman through appreciation of their ethnic heritage and culture.

As I have said before this forum, and the internet in general, is a medium of entertainment for me. It is really too impersonal to have the type of deep sincere and serious conversations that some of these topics call for. When you try to get too deep into topics people are quick to become indignant, standoffish and even personally critical. Something that would not happen when you discuss things in person.

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[L_F_Miranda]

Sonambulo said:

What makes you think I am not open to the "mundo exterior?- because I posted a couple of Gran Combo songs?. Please do not assume things brother.

I am not assuming because, you said it yourself.............

"How do we maintain our boricua lineage if we are do not stop mixing with other ethnicities. [I can hear the rumbling already- however, we must keep our lineage "pure" or ultimately, we can lose our culture and our identities."

And Sonambulo continued............

"However, most people here are intelligent enough to understand the complications by intermarrying bring. Some know this from personal experience. This is not a judgement but a point of fact."

In reality Sonambulo, all you said was very judgemental. However if you read again what I wrote, I just said that we use all these mechanisms as a form of RESISTANCE to assimilation. In fact, we all use these mechanisms in order to survive.

And Sonambulo said:

"I am also wise enough to understand that I cannot control who, for example, my children will marry. I hope to encourage them to bring home a good boricua woman through appreciation of their ethnic heritage and culture."

May I add, your kids should bring home a person who respects them. As we all know Boricuas come in all forms and styles. Being Boricua does not guarantee virtue. The worse that can happen is that one of your kids gets stuck with a Boricua lemon, and then what?

And finally Sonambulo said:

"As I have said before this forum, and the internet in general, is a medium of entertainment for me. It is really too impersonal to have the type of deep sincere and serious conversations that some of these topics call for. When you try to get too deep into topics people are quick to become indignant, standoffish and even personally critical. Something that would not happen when you discuss things in person."

Why Sonambulo, you must have come in just recently into this conversation. I've been telling Suki this for a long time. However in the modern world serious one to one conversations are going the way of the DO Do Bird. We are stuck with the web or paying a high priced shrink to listen to us. It's sad.

Anyhow it was nice writing to a fellow Boricua.

[Suki]

Miranda said this:

"Ahora bien, Tienen que saber COCINAR, si no, no vale. LOL "

Miranda, you see, this is the doubt I have now after twenty three years of marriage with my husband. I asked him what he remembered on some date we had a long, long time ago (before we got married). I was hoping he would remember the color of my dress, or how I wore my hair. NO....he remembered in vivid detail that I made the best rice and beans he had ever eaten, and something about my rear end. Lol. This goes to prove that the Puerto Rican man has a lot in common in terms of tastes. Yes, Puerto Rico.com, this is the 'proof in the pudding'. A Puerto Rican man who is not a lemon---to steal Miranda's phrase---will be attracted to a Puerto Rican woman with a nice behind, and who knows how to cook. All this time Miranda, I thought he appreciated me for my mind, and my depth, and my character, and for who I was inside. Now I know, it was all an illusion. It was about the guitar-shaped body, and the rice and beans. I know the truth now. Miranda revealed the sad truth. He has popped my bubble. LOL!

Yes, my husband doesn't like the Gringa ideal. He likes the Sofia Vergara, Monica Belucci, Gina Lollobrigida, Sophia Loren types all the way. Is he alone? I don't think so. He also did not know who Selena was either the Tejano Mexican American singer pop star from Corpus Christi Texas since he listens mainly to American Jazz and Classical music, but he saw her rear end on tv and that made an impression. I don't know about Puerto Rican men. It is true about the national character in that way.

My cousin from Puerto Rico who is now deceased---told me once I would never be single for long---for I could cook the best Puerto Rican food and had everything else in the right place. LOL. He never mentioned something I valued highly such as character and so on. I guess he already knew the answer to that one. Confess now Miranda, are you of the same opinion? I think you are....you like the same things that everyone else does. But, I don't know you don't like the Anna Nicole Smith stuff. So overblown bimbos are not for you either. You might have to admit that Puerto Rican women who can cook with all the right stuff are very attractive to you as well and join the 'masses' of Puerto Ricans of the same populacho opinion. Ay Miranda como me haces reir.

To tell you the truth, I tell my son he should marry the right woman for him and not worry about ethnicity at all. It is better to get the right individual with good human qualities in general than to say she has to be Puerto Rican, or Mexican, or Ethiopian or African American or Jewish, or whatever. That is limiting and in today's world not as realistic in many ways. I want him to find a good person. Just like any parent would want for their child. A good human being.

Miranda, do you have any idea how much you have made me laugh and smile today? I was having a bad day today and you with your little social commentaries have made it a very good day.

[RPR]

Miranda said:

Why Sonambulo, you must have come in just recently into this conversation. I've been telling Suki this for a long time. However in the modern world serious one to one conversations are going the way of the DO Do Bird. We are stuck with the web or paying a high priced shrink to listen to us. It's sad.

Here us perhaps, to really listen lol? Now as to what you wrote above there is some truth in it but with most things in life there are exceptions. I have gone to a few a couple of gatherings recently where politics were discussed. I'll admit, that I initiated the discussions. Once I did though it was like a fire was ignited. I guess the moral of the story is that sometimes we have to take the initiative. Some people need to be moved and others are keeping quiet because we live in a very PC society. So serious discussions are not an option anymore without offending another person.

I thinks thats why online forums are reduced to insults and blips. Its anonymous and most people don't have time to analyze every paragraph. I remember when I used to do that but I was in college back then and had ample time for the online world. I don't think it was a total waste because I know that I learned plenty of history that is not part of the US curriculum or Puerto Rico's online .I am not ashame to admit that.It was a diffferent era where there was more liberty to post freely without repercussions.

And Sonambulo makes a great point. The internet has become primarily for entertainment purposes. This is why social sites such as Myspace and Youtube are one of the most popular. Has anyone ever visited Univision.com....? You thought Another Rican was bad? You haven't seen anything yet! I try to make the best out of the web but just like all other mediums it has been reduced to a shadow of what it used to be. The quality is no longer. Of course there are the exceptions.

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