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Old 1st February 2008, 09:32
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Lo que yo dije Miranda es muy sencillo. El RESPETO es fundamental. Yo creo que si respetas a la gente----todo va bien. Si decides no respetar. Pa fuera. Si el debate se degenera con 'eres un tonto' y 'yo soy genio y tu no' y 'los prietos son inferiores' y 'los homosexuales van pal infierno'----es hora de botar. Miranda debes de leer lo que escribi. No dije que si eres de derecha te voy a botar. Lo que dije es si vienes a insultar, y a hostigar y relajar con malas intenciones y faltas de respeto no vas a quedarte. Y eso es la verdad. No me interesan los foros llenos de insultos y cero de debate productivo. El internet esta lleno de 'flamers' y a mi me aburre eso. Ser apasionado y tener opiniones fuertes esta aceptable y es algo bueno. Pero ser un 'cafre' y personalista sin razon no sirve.
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Old 1st February 2008, 10:29
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Suki dijo:

Slap, si no sabes respetar a la gente vas a durar bien poco en este foro. Usted piensa que la gente que mas necesitas debatir, que en el caso tuyo seran (los izquierdistas), y tu de la derecha? Crees que van a querer prestarte atencion si no los respetas?

Siento discrepar contigo Suki.

Creo que este foro necesita ideas de todas clases, aunque sean de derecha. Siempre y cuando Slap no se degenere como Another Rican y se vaya a los extremos irracionales del Faraon, el cual rehusa discutir pero espera que nos traguemos sus ideas racistas, homofobicas y de "Self hate Puerto Rican", creo que, hasta la fecha el Slap puede contribuir bastante y asi podemos ver otra cara del Puerto Rico de hoy.
No me considero ni de Derecha ni de Izquierda. Creo que son términos "etiquetantes". Claro, lo que promueve la llamada Izquierda lo veo como enfermizo. Un problema mental y espiritual crónico.

Y tranquilos. Si no me joden, yo no jodo. Ni me gustan los insultos ni tengo tiempo pa' dramas de estar atacando personas por el simple hecho de que no concurren conmigo.

Desde ya le digo que no soy cristiano fundamentalista que respeto a los homosexuales (hasta abogo por sus derechos), el racismo me hace vomitar (besides, soy mulato ) y espero que Suki deje sus paranoias y no dé por hecho cosas que no existen.

Saludos, chamacones.
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Old 2nd February 2008, 10:14
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Who's intellect do you respect? Post here.

I respect any human being who is brave enough to question whatever the greater society tries to feed to people as the 'truth'. Is it true?

Yes it is, or no it is not....is the beginning of all philosophies. And philosophical thoughts. Questions are the reason why human beings can even imagine a different world, and have thoughts that are full of the creative energy that energizes all real accomplishment, and change in the world. I like that line that says---Be the change that you want to see in the world. If you want to be free and want to be truly liberated. Then be the change that you want to see in the world.
Great thread Suki.

I love the Dalai Lama, Ghandy, Alan Wolf, Einstein, Schrodinger, David Bohm and Neils Bohr. The work of this men will continue to inspire change and limitless development therefore rescuing mankind from this dumbf@(k pocket of history.

Change is the only constant in the universe, so questioning is an integral part of human development. [I am going to a period of change as well] That is why we had seen mankind at a steady pace steering away from traditions that make the flow of thoughts stagnant.

Questioning = intelligence.
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Old 2nd February 2008, 22:45
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Joshue, it is a pleasure to see you participating again. 2007 was a tough year for me. But 2008 from the very beginning is great and is continuing to be very good.

I have been reading Carl Sagan of late. And also an old favorite of mine---Tolstoy and some other writers from Russia. I found myself reading "The Republic" once more.

Questioning everything is good. But there comes a time also when one is defined and fully formed. And one knows why one thinks a certain way. Hopefully it makes sense. And it is the path one should take and continue towards til the end of the road. Change is a part of life. It always is and always will be. So is variation. Without change, variation, adaptation and the ability to analyze and interact with one's environment and one's society----there is no progress in human knowledge or in human action.

Hope to see you writing in here again soon Joshue. I still think about 'where is fifo and I laugh..." WINK.
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Old 2nd February 2008, 22:54
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Slap dijo:

"Claro, lo que promueve la llamada Izquierda lo veo como enfermizo. Un problema mental y espiritual crónico. "
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Slap como no te conozco voy a darte el beneficio de la duda (como dicen en ingles---the benefit of the doubt.) Para mi hay muy pocos seres humanos que no son mas 'complicaditos' de lo que parecen al principio. En estos anos que llevo en este foro me ha tocado unos problematicos con problemas enfermizos de ambos lados del espectro politico. Los seres humanos como especie sufren de ser enfermizos. Los de la derecha extrema como los Nazis son bastantes enfermitos. Los que mezclan mucho la religion con la politica y quieren regresar a las grandes teocracias del pasado como los gobiernos teocraticos del pasado en la historia de la humanidad antigua,tambien pueden ser considerados 'enfermitos'. Espero que argumentes con logica, informacion y con respeto. Asi todos nos beneficiamos. Bienvenido al foro. Hasta la fecha la mayoria de los estadistas no quieren ver los homosexuales ni en pintura. No se por que. Por lo menos eres tolerante en eso.

Ojala que participes en muchos temas no solos los de la politica.

Quedo y buenas noches,

Suki
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Old 2nd February 2008, 23:13
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Slap dijo:

"Claro, lo que promueve la llamada Izquierda lo veo como enfermizo. Un problema mental y espiritual crónico. "
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Slap como no te conozco voy a darte el beneficio de la duda (como dicen en ingles---the benefit of the doubt.) Para mi hay muy pocos seres humanos que no son mas 'complicaditos' de lo que parecen al principio. En estos anos que llevo en este foro me ha tocado unos problematicos con problemas enfermizos de ambos lados del espectro politico. Los seres humanos como especie sufren de ser enfermizos. Los de la derecha extrema como los Nazis son bastantes enfermitos. Los que mezclan mucho la religion con la politica y quieren regresar a las grandes teocracias del pasado como los gobiernos teocraticos del pasado en la historia de la humanidad antigua,tambien pueden ser considerados 'enfermitos'. Espero que argumentes con logica, informacion y con respeto. Asi todos nos beneficiamos. Bienvenido al foro. Hasta la fecha la mayoria de los estadistas no quieren ver los homosexuales ni en pintura. No se por que. Por lo menos eres tolerante en eso.

Ojala que participes en muchos temas no solos los de la politica.

Quedo y buenas noches,

Suki
Gracias por la bienvenida, Suki.

Dos cositas:

1. El discurso izquierdista es ajeno a la naturaleza humana y hasta atenta contra ella. Es más enfermizo que la extrema Derecha... Y ello es mucho decir.

2. Hay muchos homosexuales y lesbianas dentro del movimiento estadoísta; incluso líderes. No sé de dónde sacas eso de que la mayoría de los estadistas los odian. De hecho conozco montones de izquierdistas y separatistas que rechazan abiertamente a los maricones y ni siquiera son religiosos.

Gracias por el consejo, pero "so far", he estado argumentando con lógica, información y con respeto.

Sweet dreams.
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Old 7th February 2008, 15:00
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Joshue, it is a pleasure to see you participating again. 2007 was a tough year for me. But 2008 from the very beginning is great and is continuing to be very good.

I have been reading Carl Sagan of late. And also an old favorite of mine---Tolstoy and some other writers from Russia. I found myself reading "The Republic" once more.

Questioning everything is good. But there comes a time also when one is defined and fully formed. And one knows why one thinks a certain way. Hopefully it makes sense. And it is the path one should take and continue towards til the end of the road. Change is a part of life. It always is and always will be. So is variation. Without change, variation, adaptation and the ability to analyze and interact with one's environment and one's society----there is no progress in human knowledge or in human action.

Hope to see you writing in here again soon Joshue. I still think about 'where is fifo and I laugh..." WINK.
I could not afford to continue a path that deep inside was not right for me, mainly on the socioeconomic vision of the world which was radically affected by the war. Is not easy to change. We need to have the out most sincerity to really change, because the fear that comes when your beliefs which defined and fully formed you as you quite nicely put it, crumbled because of empirical observation. Is exactly that fear which have the world trap in a mental laziness that had lead civilization to insanity
This is when this minds that I previously mention had so much influence on me.

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over expecting different result ALBERT EINSTEIN
This is one of my favorite quotes, because civilization is insane that is why History repeat itself.

Einstein also said "Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind."

fanaticism has lead to 2 opposites which are totalitarian in nature, Materialist realism and religious fundamentalism. These 2 opposites are ripping this world apart, both had been proved wrong they do not represent the truth of the world as science has recently discovered. Materialist still cling to hold the grail of truth, which is BS and religious fundamentalists are Faaaaaaaaaaar worst some kill because his name is ALLAH other because is Jehovah I know for sure none of them have his F*(ing birth certificate. :



Se te quiere de gratis. cuidao por ahi Suki. I am not that active on the internet, But I will reply.
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