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Old 19th January 2001, 10:31
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Esto no se ve en Cuba ni en ninguna otra dictadura marxista, que el partido de minoría tenga poder politíco verdadero. Por eso les mando esta noticia a los recalcitrantes marxistas de este foro, para que sepan que en Puerto Rico la Democracia esta vivita y coleando.

Minoría del PNP paraliza solicitud a Clinton

viernes, 19 de enero de 2001
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Por Magdalys Rodríguez
El Nuevo Día

LA MEDIDA de la Legislatura para exigirle al presidente de los Estados Unidos, Bill Clinton, el cese inmediato de los bombardeos en Vieques quedó paralizada ayer en la Cámara de Representantes porque la minoría novoprogresista impidió su consideración en sesión.

Con el objetivo de aprobar la medida, el presidente de la Cámara, Carlos Vizcarrondo, pautó para hoy a las 10:00 de la mañana la reanudación de la sesión.

Pero con el atraso, la expresión se torna prácticamente en académica, porque hoy es también el último día de Clinton en la presidencia, toda vez que el presidente George W. Bush toma posesión mañana.

La paralización provocó una lucha entre la mayoría y la minoría novoprogresista, que concluyó con la decisión del presidente Vizcarrondo de ordenar la salida de los asesores de la minoría del hemiciclo a petición del representante popular Luis Raúl Torres, quien derrotó al ex legislador Edwin Mundo, hoy asesor de los novoprogresistas.

ESTA DECISION llevó a la minoría a acuartelarse alrededor de sus asesores, Edwin Mundo, Jesús "Chu" Valle e Iván Figueroa, para impedir la gestión del sargento de Armas, Oscar San Antonio Mendoza, quien físicamente llegó a tocar a Mundo por un brazo para sacarlo del hemiciclo.

El representante popular Joel Rosario pidió la intervención de la Policía en el hemiciclo, pero la minoría invocó que esa medida violenta el reglamento. Vizcarrondo reconoció esa prohibición.

Dicen rumores en el Capitolio que Mundo fue quien provocó la decisión porque, como es uno de los penepés que mejor conoce el proceso parlamentario, prácticamente dirige a la minoría durante la sesión. Desde el primer día, la minoría penepé ha logrado paralizar los trabajos por incumplimientos de la mayoría al reglamento del cuerpo legislativo.

Ayer la portavoz alterna, Iris Miriam Ruiz, lo logró objetando el "descargue" (la consideración sin estudio previo) de la resolución aprobada por el Senado el pasado martes para exigir el cese, lo cual también es prácticamente académico porque Clinton ordenó una moratoria.

PARA PODER considerar la medida ayer, la mayoría popular necesitaba 41 votos mínimos que representan tres cuartas partes de la Cámara. La mayoría sólo logró 26 de sus 30 votos(que felicidad).

Vizcarrondo señaló que la minoría ha estado entorpeciendo los trabajos desde el principio. Dijo que los ex legisladores derrotados en las elecciones no pueden sustituir a los electos porque están contraviniendo la decisión del pueblo.

Indicó que el reglamento de la Cámara establece que los ex legisladores y los asesores tienen que permanecer en la galería contigua al hemiciclo, denominada Angel Viera Martínez, para que los legisladores los consulten en ese lugar o pedir permiso para entrar al hemiciclo.

"Ellos son los primeros que no cumplen el reglamento", dijo el representante novoprogresista José Aponte Hernández. Iris Miriam Ruiz recordó que desde el primer día Vizcarrondo tuvo a su lado al ex presidente de la Cámara, José Ronaldo Jarabo, y la minoría tiene el derecho también a consultar a sus asesores en sesión (¡Chúpate esa "toronja" en lo que te mondo la otra...!).

EN UN solo turno final concedido a la minoría, el representante novoprogresista Aníbal Vega Borges reprochó el trato a esa delegación. Invocó a la ecuanimidad e inteligencia del presidente, para que desistiera de prohibir la participación de los asesores. Vega Borges dijo que él favorece la resolución que pide el cese inmediato de los bombardeos, pero "también estoy a favor del cumplimiento con un reglamento que se aprobó en la Cámara".

A sugerencia de la representante popular Lydia Méndez, Vizcarrondo aceptó formar una comisión especial que analice la determinación de prohibir los asesores. La compuso con los portavoces de cada delegación para analizar ayer mismo la determinación. Dijo que él tomará la decisión final en el plazo de 24 horas.

En su exposición, el portavoz del Partido Independentista Puertorriqueño, Víctor García San Inocencio, dijo que la estrategia de la minoría al invocar el cumplimiento del reglamento fue una práctica de filibusterismo. Afirmó que la paralización provocada en la aprobación de la petición al cese de bombardeos los hacía ver ante el país como en alianza con la Marina de los Estados Unidos. Ruiz sostuvo que entiende a García San Inocencio, porque él quiere la salida total de la Marina de Puerto Rico "y el PPD está colaborando con él". (Esto, mi querido portavoz marxista pipiolo, se llama "Procesos Parlamentarios Democráticos", que en tu Alma Mater, Cuba, no se practica. De modo que de esto tu no puedes quejarte por no tener cualificación moral para ello, ya que no crees verdaderamente en la Democracia, y por tus quejas delatas tus verdaderas intenciones dictatoriales.)

El secretario de la Cámara, Néstor Duprey, informó a la prensa de que junto al sargento de Armas, San Antonio, había enviado un memorando a los legisladores, el cual tiene fecha del miércoles pasado, en el que les informa de que los asesores deberán ubicarse en el salón Angel Viera Martínez durante la sesión.

RUIZ SE reafirmó en el derecho a tener a sus asesores en igualdad con la mayoría. Dijo que si querían sus nombres, podían pedirlos en el mismo lugar sin tener que ordenar su salida. En el salón Viera Martínez no se escucha la sesión, objetó casi a gritos la representante novoprogresista Melinda Romero.

Como el portavoz de la minoría, Edison Misla Aldarondo, está en Washington participando de la toma de posesión, la portavoz alterna, Ruiz, lo sustituye. (Iris Miriam Ruiz tiene sus "bloomers" bien puestos: felicitaciones al marido de esta magistral dama legisladora, por tener a una esposa que vale su peso en oro.)
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Old 19th January 2001, 23:13
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Puerto Rican Socialism need not be adverse to democracy.
Those who think that are usually cultists of some sort or other who show their narrowminded and intolerant foolishness by attacking anything remotely associated with socialism.

How blind they are when they live in P.R. and/or the U.S., and do not realize that the U.S. is a Socialist Republic, and that P.R. has many socialist programs which have helped the Puertorriquenos not only survive but also get educations and skills that they can use to improve their lives?

In the present era of socialism, democratic reforms are key to making its living ideology work effectively for now and the future. Testing and results based on scientific method have always been used by scientific socialists, and what passes the test of scientific predictibility and usage is acceptable and used.

According to the doctrines of socialism, therefore, there is no incompatibility with employing democratic reforms to achieve the goals of scientific socialism. Those who will not accept the end of the Cold War and the Peaceful Coexistence of countries of different social systems are as we see in this forum usually cultist religionist rightwing nutcases, like the Jib or badly disguised racists and fascists like El Boricua.

When will these dunderheads learn that socialist ideology is really flexible and applies itself to the concrete conditions of times and places. Therefore, it will never be a real failed ideology that is broken like a branch that will not bend with the changing winds of time.

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Old 20th January 2001, 21:56
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Hey Boris, the Stalinist Goon, the father of lies calls you a racist and a facist. That is a new one. And all you had to put up with me badgering you Boricua, when you were defending his Castrista postings, and now he turns against you. Man, didn't I tell you that Marxists have a twisted sense of ethics or what? This lesson, my friend, my own Mom taught me when I was a teenager, what she learned herself when she was a card carrying member of the Communist Party in New York City back in the 1940's. Communists are fratricidal by NATURE, which is a byproduct of their ANTINATURAL philosophy: no wonder Stalin killed 30 million of his People through all the purges and constant terror imposed.

Anyway Boris, I can see by your enemy that you are a true patriot: "tu enemigo es mi enemigo". Too bad you wasted so much time with the Stalinist Goon. I guess that in the last few months he showed you his true colors, and they are not the Puerto Rican Red-White-&-Blue, but the RED BANNER. I wonder why it is RED? It must be because it is the flag of BLOOD, Human Blood. It is logical that the philosophy that aims to impose "paradise" on Earth by denying the existence of its Creator ends up destroying the very Human Race it presuposedly aims to save from ignorance and decay.

El Boricua, the issue here is that Ye-Olde-and-Twisted-Marxist-Snake holds to the ideals of the 19th Century, Marx, Engels, Nietsche and the like. This philosophy failed every time. Let me explain to you why. The Socialist ideal is predicated on the assumption that there is no such thing as the Creator, that matter is all there is... If there is no God, then there stands by logic that human beings are only animals, "evolved animals" that is. If Human Beings are only animals, they are just "Pavlovian Dogs", and there is no such a thing as "Good" and "Evil", all values are then based on what the tiny clique in power decides as what is best for the "common good". That is why a Socialist named Adolph Hitler decided that a small portion of the Human Race had to be exterminated, because it was he, the superman, the one who considered himself as the head of of the "evolved human race" who could decide what is best for humanity. Genocide is best served by those who consider themselves as enlightened and above all other human beings. Yet I submit to you that there truly is a spiritual power working in the hearts of these socialist elites, but it is not the force of evolution, but the forces of DEATH, DESTRUCTION and the DENIAL of the TRUTH.

The denial of the Existence of God is not based on scientific facts, but on philosophical assumptions. Science cannot prove that God does not exist, nor can it prove that He exists, to try to attempt that is to try to find the Space Shuttle Endeavor inside a can of Coca Cola. No, all these "modern" ideals (Existentialism, Socialism, Marxism, Anarchism, Dadaism, etc.) have assumed that God does not exist. The best PROOF within all human beings that God does exist is that spark of INFINITY that is whithin each human being. You will not see a chimp, a dog, a cow, a whale, or an elephant pondering what is the MEANING of LIFE, that whether this short life on Earth is all there is. Animals have a sense of time, that is why many, like whales and birds, migrate with the seasons. But no animal I know, outside of us human beings, yearn to exist forever and to have a perfect never-ending existence without suffering and strife. All human beings have this yearning, even though not all of us know how to express it in the most articulate way.

Now, of course the BEST EVIDENCE of the Existence of God is the Bible Itself, a Book written between 1500 B.C. and 90 A.D. by some 20-plus writers, all INSPIRED by the same Spirit, and the Bible is still existing after many attempts by the Roman Empire, Islam, "Official European State Religion" and recent Atheist Socialist Empires to evaporate It from the Face of the Earth. That It exists today in the year 2001 A.D. is an improbable Miracle. However, all the propaganda against It in the last 200 plus years do have had an effect on many Today, such that many without ever knowing thoroughly Its content, or ever having read It, dismiss It as a myth.

Notwithstanding, the Second Best evidence is in every Human Heart. I guess that is why contomporary in general Society, and Socialism in particular, both try to make every Human Being heartless. Those promoting Genocide in the first degree, ABORTION, peddle it by indoctrinating the masses that human beings in the womb are nothing but a collection of human tissue, nothing more than what a tumor is. Funny that the same crowd defend lab mice, and other creatures with much smaller encephalic mass (brains) than human fetuses have, from laboratory experiments. The aim of all these "modern" philosophies is to extinguish from Humanity the sense of having a heart. Of course, Boris, I am not writing about the blood pumping muscle, but the innermost sense within all of us that make us choose between Right and Wrong. This sense can be made senseless with violence, indoctrination and neglect. That is why Socialism, like pedophiles in general, tries to catch Human Beings when they are at their most vulnerable, when they are just babes. Just like ten years ago in the former Soviet Union, people nowadays take their small infants to "day-care centers" where they, the infants, must compete with score of other babies for attention from a tiny group of overworked "day-care workers". Instead of growing up with their Mommies, children grow up in a "Darwinistic Paradise", where for lack of nurture they in turn descend the ladder of "evolution" into mere animals. And why? So that their parents can afford two cars, a color TV and a VCR, and their "mothers" can feel validated by comtemporary Social Norm which sees "stay at home mothers" as a shame.

But, in all of us that have not lost that spark that makes us Beings Created in the Image of God, we know in our heart of hearts that Socialism is as false as calling Good evil and Evil good. Human beings are not animals whose needs must be met by an "omnipotent" Welfare State. Even more important than a loaf of bread is the sense of FREE WILL, of Personal Liberty. The only thing that Personal Liberty can only be SUBJECT to is the sense of Absolute Good, not defined by a panel of judges, a focus group, or a statistical survey, but by the Creator of the Universe who really knows what is good and what is not. ETHICAL VALUES are not invented by human will or political power, but discovered by our senses, through logical reasoning and by Supernatural Revelation. Redistribution of wealth will not solve societal problems, it may provide quick fix to human unhappiness, but not solve it, just like morphine quiets down a painful wound but does not cure it. If materialism were to solve the "angst" in each human being then those human beings with Billions of Dollars in the bank should be the happiest beings of all; yet they are not. And Socialism by its very nature, the "equal redistribution of wealth", is the antithesis of JUSTICE, for JUSTICE demands that there be a REWARD for each deed, whether Good or Bad. Of course, in the USA and in Puerto Rico there are many who are wealthy by stealing and cheating, but many others are wealthy through good management and hard work. And then there are many who are poor by their neglect or their crime. This is why every time it has been implemented, Socialism has brought entire nations to generalized poverty, and has redistributed wealth from those who worked hard to those who hardly worked (except those who work hard at "brown-nosing" the Party Elite). And then again, how do we define poverty? Jesus didn't own a home or even a car, yet in His days he restored the health of hundreds, if not thousands, and even brought quite a few back from death. No, material inequality is not the root of societal evils. Crimes are committed by those who have it all, and those who do not. Were we to redistribute equally in the USA its own Gross National Product, which now stands around $4 Trillions, envy, selfishness and strife would still exist a year from today anyway, and at roughly $15,000 per person, this redistribution would only bring back the same results as today's current wealth distribution.

Now, Socialism does stand for Big Brother, for the placing of absolute political power into the hands of a small self-appointed elite. Doesn't this sound like Monarchy and Absolutism to you? In North Korea and Syria it has become that. I wonder who will rule Cuba when Fidel croaks? Perhaps his brother, or an up to now un-named son? Socialism is the antithesis of political pluralism and Democracy: you don't see Red China have more than one Party. And where human liberties are abbrogated you only end up seeing oppresion and human misery.

However, Boris, I do not defend Lockian or Smithian "Laissez Faire" Capitalism, which are predicated on the fiction that Human Nature is "Good". Though we are all created in the Image of God, that IMAGE has been tainted by sin, and all of us have sinned by the age we each attain reason. That is why we need GOVERNMENT, not to attain Paradise on Earth, but to prevent Hell on Earth; to defend the weak from the strong, to maintain JUSTICE and prevent EXPLOITATION. When HUMAN GOVERNMENT is rightly applied and founded in JUSTICE (not merely "social justice"), good order and prosperity results. This, my dear Boris, is what the Stalinist Goon has come to hate, as if he were Dracula hating the Light of Day.
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Old 21st January 2001, 12:28
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>>>>>"However, Boris, I do not defend Lockian or Smithian "Laissez Faire" Capitalism, which are predicated on the fiction that Human Nature is "Good". "<<<<<<

FICTION?!?!?!?!? Please elaborate.


>>>>>>"That is why we need GOVERNMENT, not to attain Paradise on Earth, but to prevent Hell on Earth; to defend the weak from the strong, to maintain JUSTICE and prevent EXPLOITATION. "<<<<<<<


Really? Government thugs incinerated 87 individuals in Waco, Texas (circa 1993); interfered using MP5 Carabines in family affairs in Re Lazaro Gonzalez; it sends officers to confiscate property, seize individuals' homes, etc. There are 2,000,000 million individuals incarcerated in our nation's prisons !!!!!!

I take that the above does not fall within the definition of "Hell on Earth"? Huh?
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Old 22nd January 2001, 03:31
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Originally posted by Eddier1

Puerto Rican Socialism need not be adverse to democracy.
Those who think that are usually cultists of some sort or other who show their narrowminded and intolerant foolishness by attacking anything remotely associated with socialism.
EddieR #1
Nice to encounter a voice of reason. Have you looked over my plan for independence (1/21/01 - this forum)? I would appreciate your perspective.

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Old 22nd January 2001, 04:00
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However, Boris, I do not defend Lockian or Smithian "Laissez Faire" Capitalism, which are predicated on the fiction that Human Nature is "Good". Though we are all created in the Image of God, that IMAGE has been tainted by sin, and all of us have sinned by the age we each attain reason. That is why we need GOVERNMENT, not to attain Paradise on Earth, but to prevent Hell on Earth; to defend the weak from the strong, to maintain JUSTICE and prevent EXPLOITATION. When HUMAN GOVERNMENT is rightly applied and founded in JUSTICE (not merely "social justice"), good order and prosperity results. This, my dear Boris, is what the Stalinist Goon has come to hate, as if he were Dracula hating the Light of Day.
Manuel,

If you want to argue god, come on over to the Internet Infidels Secular Web. We'll eat your lunch!

Having looked over your recent diagnosis as a "cultist religionist rightwing nutcase", I've been able to confirm half of it. The jury is still out on "rightwing nutcase".

If you actually do believe in government based on true democracy and free enterprise, with social programs that provide what the private sector cannot, take a look at my plan for independence (1/21/01 - this forum).
Let me know what you think. Thanks.

Raul

[Edited by Raulgr on 22nd January 2001 at 11:22]
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Old 22nd January 2001, 10:34
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Smile I'm sorry, but...

Half of all Puerto Ricans live here in the States, and 95% of Puerto Ricans living in Puerto Rico want to remain as part of the United States of America, so I am convinced that independence in any form for the next 100 plus years is not a viable, necessary or desirable status for us. So, I'll pass up your invitation.

Plus, I must add that any peddling of Socialism and its political and ideological offsprings is as offensive to me as Child Pornography.

No thanks!
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