QUESTIONS STATEHOODERS DON'T WANT TO TACKLE

[L_F_Miranda]

WHEN STATEHOODERS WRITE ON THESE BOARDS THE ONLY THING YOU HEAR IS HOW PROUD THEY ARE TO BE AMERICANS. THEY FLY FLAGS AND TRIP OVER EACH OTHER TRYING TO PROVE THAT THEY FEEL BLESSED WITH THE MARVELS BESTOWED UPON THEM BY THEIR BIG BROTHERS TO THE NORTH. EVEN GRINGOS ARE TAKEN ABACK BY THEIR DISPLAY OF RIDICULOUS PATRIOTISM.

WITHOUT DOUBT STATEHOODERS FEEL THIS WAY FOR CERTAIN REASONS. AMERICANS HAVE ALWAYS LED THEM TO BELIEVE THAT THEIR TIME WILL COME WHEN EQUALITY AND JUSTICE WILL BE GIVEN TO THEM BY THE BIG WHITE FATHER IN THE WHITE HOUSE.

FEW IF ANY STATEHOODERS WANT TO DEAL WITH THE STARK REALITIES OF WHAT STATEHOOD MEANS , NOT FOR PUERTO RICANS , BUT FOR AMERICANS.

IF PUERTO RICO EVER BECAME A STATE IT WILL BE ENTITLED TO 2 SENATORS AND 7 REPRESENTATIVES, a STATE DELEGATION LARGER THAN 29 STATES!

STATEHOODERS DROOL OVER THIS POWER LIKE IF POLITICAL POWER WERE GIVEN "POR DAME ACÁ ESTAS PAPAS"

NO ONE HAS DARED OR EVEN IMAGINED HOW AMERICANS WILL REACT. WILL THEY BE FAIR? WILL THEY SEE US AS BROTHERS? WILL THEY BE DEMOCRATIC? WILL THEY WELCOME US WITH OPEN ARMS? OR WILL MUD BE FLUNG LIKE IT WAS FLUNG IN CONGRESS ON MARCH 4, 1998?

I TEND TO BELIEVE THE LAST ONE. Sorry carleone and Jibaro.

SEVEN REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE FIRST SPANISH SPEAKING STATE WILL MEAN THE LOSS OF HOUSE SEATS FOR MANY OTHER ENGLISH SPEAKING STATES. WHERE WILL THE SEATS COME FROM?

FROM WYOMING?, FROM IOWA?, FROM MISSISSIPPI? YOUR GUESS IS AS GOOD AS MINE. BUT, WILL STATES TAKE THEIR LOSS LIKE FAIR DEMOCRATS OR WILL HELL BREAK LOOSE?

IF THE FIGHT BREWING IN NEW YORK STATE IS AN INDICATION OF THINGS TO COME THAN STATEHOODERS BETTER FASTEN THEIR SEATBELTS BECAUSE THE RIDE WILL BE BUMPY.

ACCORDING TO THE CENSUS RESULTS, NEW YORK STATE WILL LOOSE 2 SEATS IN THE HOUSE COMING THIS FALL. THE ONLY PART OF THE STATE THAT HAS GAINED POPULATION HAS BEEN NEW YORK CITY, SO LOGIC GOES THAT THE LEAST POPULATED PARTS WILL LOOSE THE SEATS. NOT SO. IN ALBANY WHERE THE DECISION WILL BE MADE, THE STATE REPUBLICANS DO NOT WANT TO GIVE UP REPUBLICAN SEATS AND WILL MOST LIKELY TAKE AWAY THE 2 DEMOCRAT SEATS FROM NEW YORK CITY. POLITICIANS IN THE CITY ARE FUMING, WITH MORE POPULATION THEY WILL HAVE LESS SEATS. HAVING MORE SOLID VOTERS REPUBLICANS WILL CALL THE SHOTS. SO MUCH FOR MAJORITIES IN ELECTIONS!

REPUBLICANS KNOW THAT IF THEY LOOSE 2 SEATS IN THE HOUSE THE DEMOCRATS WILL HAVE A MAJORITY OVER THEM. THEY WILL FIGHT TOOTH AND NAIL TO AVOID THIS.

IF THESE ARE JUST 2 SEATS IMAGINE HOW THAY WILL FEEL WHEN PUERTO RICO COMES IN DEMANDING A REDISTRIBUTION OF 7 SEATS!

FOR ALL PURPOSES THE PUERTO RICAN DELEGATION WILL MOST LIKELY BE DEMOCRAT. WHY? BEACUSE IT IS THE DEMOCRATS WHO HOLD THE PURSE STRINGS OF THE FOOD STAMPS AND WELFARE LEGISLATION. REPUBLICANS WANT GOVERNMENT OFF PEOPLE'S BACKS AND ARE PRONE TO CUT WELFARE AND ENTITLEMENTS FOR THE POOR.

THE REPUBLICANS KNOW THAT PUERTO RICANS ARE ADICTED TO HANDOUTS, THEREFORE THEY WILL NOT TAKE A CHANCE AT LETTING RICANS IN UNLESS THEY WANT TO EMPTY OUT THE FEDERAL RESERVE.

THE DEMOCTATS HAVE THE MOST TO GAIN FROM A PUERTO RICAN STATE. HOWEVER THEY ALSO KNOW THAT THE 7 SEATS MIGHT CREATE A TURMOIL IF THE DELEGATION DECIDES TO FORM A COALITION WITH THE OTHER 23 HISPANIC REPRESENTATIVES AND PUSH FOR LANGUAGE RIGHTS ( Bilingual Education) AND OPEN BORDERS.

FAR FETCHED? IN SAN JUAN RADICAL STATEHOODERS ARE MOVING IN THIS DIRECTION. THEY WANT A "SPECIAL STATE" WHERE LANGUAGE RIGHTS AND CULTURE CAN NOT BE TOUCHED BY DISGRUNTLED HILL BILLY SENATORS FROM MONATANA OR WEST VIRGINIA. SOUNDS LIKE QUEBEC?

AS YOU CAN SEE A PUERTO RICAN STATE IS NOT JUST VOTING 500% FOR IT. THERE ARE BIG PROBLEMS IN STORE FOR THE GRINGOS AND THEY KNOW IT.

WILL AN ALTERNATIVE STATUS BE NEGOCIATED? WILL A FREE ASSOCIATED REPUBLIC, LIKE THE PACIFIC ISLANDS BE ON THE HORIZON? REMEMBER IT'S THE INTERESTS OF GRINGOS , SPECIALLY THE REPUBLICANS, NOT OURS, THAT IS AT STAKE.

WHY NOT , GRINGOS HAVE NOTHING TO LOOSE, IT SOLVES THEIR PROBLEM AND OURS TOO.

[Edited by L_F_Miranda on 8th April 2001 at 22:01]

[amomiisla]

I SAY THIS I AM ALL FOR COMMOMWEALTH BUT IF MI PUERTO RICO EVER BECAME A STATE I THINK ID GO CRAZY. NOW I TOOK A LOT OF CLASSES ON THE POLITICS OF PUERTO RICO. AND I KNOW ONE DAY WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO COME TO A DECESION EIHTER STATE OR INDEPENDENT AND IM SORRY BUT I WONT NOT CHOOSE STATE AT ALL I WOULD CHOOSE INDEPENDENT YES ID GIVE UP MY CITIZENSHIP AND LEAVE TO MY ISLAND. UNITED STATES TALKS SO MUCH THAT WE ARE LEECHES AND WE USE THEM YET THEY CANT SEEM TO LET US GO.

[El_Jibaro]

Dear child:

It seems to you the USA can't let Puerto Rico go, but it is not like this at all. The Problem resides in the political party that loves the neutral position, the PPD, they don't want Puerto Ricans to decide.

Remember the last Plebiscite, that the Freeloader Party torpedoed the Referendum by invoking NONE OF THE ABOVE. As long as the Freeloader Party is around, there will not be any DECISIVE Referendum made.

Also realize sweety pie, that the USA cannot give us the boot as long as it is legally responsible for us.

So if you only hear racist Gringoes at work and school complaining about Puerto Rico freeloading, relax, chill out, tell them to take a long walk on a short pier , because as long as the USA lives and breathes under a legal document called the Constitution, they cannot get rid of us so neatly .

Believe me, the USA would have loved to do us the honor of declaring us a free and independent republic, but it is just not the way things are done nowadays.

However, look at the Supreme Court in future years... They might just decide that there is a limit on how long an UNINCORPORATED TERRITORY can remain unincorporated, and how much weight does the American Citizenship have in Unincorporated Territories.

And for you enemies of Statehood, eat this: Even if All the Racists in the USA decided to declare war on Puerto Rico, if Puerto Rico would vie for Statehood (assuming a Referendum with 66% Pro-Statehood Vote, which would be the case for a Referendum of Statehood versus Independence alone ), the Constitution requires that after careful deliberation they give us the Statehood nonetheless, based MAINLY on our American Citizenship. This is not the case were Mexico, or Haiti, to try to become a State, because the residents of those countries are not American Citizens to begin with .

[L_F_Miranda]

It's is amazing how statehooders don't want to tackle the problem of Representation and what it means to the Republican party.

Jibaro has just skirted the issue by discussing some absurd notion that it was the PPD who invented the "none of the above column" in the last plebiscite dated Dec.13,1998.

In fact it was a ploy of the PNP, too split the Commonwealth vote and thus have the Statehooders win the plebsicite, but "Le salió el tiro por la culata" as they say in Old Castile.

And adding hurt to injury , it was the American press who published that Statehood lost the elections, that it was a vote AGAINST STATEHOOD! How they came to that conclusion , BEATS ME!

That stuff about incorporation and non-incorporation is chicken feed next to the consequences of a huge political representation that will, most likely, relegate the Republican to MINORITY STATUS!

In addition, Americans are have a hard time dealing with the realities of a growing Hispanic presence. They are trying everything in the book to either divide this presence, assimilate them as soon as possible or accept them with one condition , THAT THEY LEARN ENGLISH NOW!

Will the nation state of Puerto Rico come in and upset the apple cart? Things don't look good for P.R. statehood in Gringoland. I think they might come up with an offer we can't refuse.

Remember Jibaro ,It's American INTERESTS that are at stake , NOT YOURS OR MINE.

[El_Jibaro]

You may hate it, but independence never amounts to more than 5%, and that was not in the Referendum, but in local elections. And as much as you love to raise the issue of pro-Commonwealthers, they in their IMMENSE majority will never opt out of their American Citizenship.

So, chill out clown, and realize that in a two way Referendum, independence versus Statehood, Statehood will win, by numbers you independence peddlers are even utterly afraid to face or mention .

That is why you guys are always making alliances with the commonwealthers, trying to avoid the unaviodable: political oblivion.

About the Representation Issue, it is clear that if Puerto Rico were a State Today, Democrats and Republicans would be almost split down the middle, like here in the States. That would mean that probably the two Senators would be Democrats, and the Representatives would be roughly half and half. This to the current Republican Party is neither here nor there, since they like anybody else are not thinking ten years down the road, but what is up in the next elections one year from now. When they have to cross that bridge they will face it, but not without the fear of loosing their Hispanic Constituency, which is ever-growing (we USA Hispanics are not the faithful Cyanide-Kool-Aid drinking Jessy Jackson Democrats ). And, unlike some minorities in the USA, we are very politically and morally conservative by nature.

The Real TREND here is that if Puerto Rico were a State Today, in less than ten years it would go overwhelmly REPUBLICAN, because everyone who strives hard at work to earn a living sees this as a Bottom Line Issue: we Hispanics tend to hate Taxes . Ask Hernández Colón and the PPD leadership that remembers all the backlash of increasing Taxes in Puerto Rico .

[Nacionalista]

Percentages (%), don't work anymore. The USA is been trying to get rid of PR long time ago.

Everytime they place PR independence in their political agenda, something happens that draws their attention to other issues.

It's been happening for almost 100 years. The WWI took away our first chance to be independent. So did WWII, and in the late 80's the Gulf War.

The statehooters definition had their chance for a long time, and proved to the USA that they don't work. (Dirty Corrupted Bastards).

Now, the ELA is back on, but with a different tune in a frequency that statehooters followers don't hear.

The ELA has become the final transition to the independence in the eyes of USA polititians.

Hey guys, I didn't make this up, I am just a Chief Financial Officer, basically a big old CPA.

But the people I am dealing everyday here in DC, had that mentality.

One day you will go to sleep in the same old colony (not the soda) of the USA, and wake up in the Republic of Puerto Rico.

Save this post, one day you will said "darn Nacionalista and all those boricuas were right".

Go ahead, analize and come up with some Zombi logic to discredit what I just posted. I had my information resourses.

Just remember!!! And to make it more fun, the independentistas don't have to do anything.

[Eddier1]

Originally posted by L_F_Miranda
the "none of the above column" in the last plebiscite dated Dec.13,1998.

In fact it was a ploy of the PNP, too split the Commonwealth vote and thus have the Statehooders win the plebsicite, but "Le salió el tiro por la culata" as they say in Old Castile.
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You are absolutely correct, Miranda. Thanks for stopping that damnable lie shot through the teeth of a liar who greeted a new contributor to this forum with this antichrist lie knowing full well that it was a blatant lie!

Keep up the good work Miranda.