LOS ESTADISTAS NI SABEN INGLÉS

[L_F_Miranda]

Es una ironía que los mas que quieren que Puerto Rico sea estado son los que menos dominan el idioma del país al cual aspiran anexarse.

Por ahí dirán, "EMBUSTERO, esa es otra mentira propagada por los Communistas para desacreditar al los fieles y leales ciudadanos patrióticos del territorio estadounidense de Puerto Rico."

Lo que sigue son extractos de una encuesta del periódico ESTADISTA NUEVO DIA del martes 12 de agosto de 1997. Busquen los archivos del periódico si quieren la encuesta completa

He aquí algunas de las preguntas:

1-¿Cuán comodo se siente en expresarse en inglés?

Muy Cómodo
PNP 28%, PPD 16%, PIP 38%

Algo Incómodo
PNP 25%, PPD 25%, PIP 36%

Incómodo hasta ni poder hablarlo
PNP 46% , PPD 55%, PIP 24%

Como pueden ver son los independentistas los mas cómodos que se sienten con el inglés.

2-Si Puerto Rico se convierte en el estado 51 de la unión que crees de lo siguiente:

Soberanía Olympica

67 % Mantenerla, 26% no mantenerla, 6% no opinó

Concurso de Miss Universo

66% Mantenerlo, 27% no mantenerlo quedarnos con Miss U.S.A. solamente, 7% no opinó

Inglés como idioma único oficial

76% no aceptable, 18% aceptable, 6% no opinó

Inglés, idioma obligatorio en las escuelas, como lo es en Europa, hasta en Cuba.

44% Aceptable, 51% no aceptable, 5 % no opinó.

Esta encuesta fue la que usaron muchos Representantes Americanos cuando se reunieron para darle apoyo al Proyecto pro-estadista Young el 4 de marzo de 1998.

En aquel funesto debate de 12 horas, le sacaron los trapos al sol a los Boricuas. De adictos al mantengo pa arriba no dijeron mas por que no habia en el libro.

El representante Praxton de Nueva York se paró y dijo" But "these people" can't speak English, how are they going to participate in our nation?

Otro dijo, " This sounds like QUEBEC"

200 representantes votaron que NO!
Casualmente TODOS eran del partido Republicano , los mismitos que han respaldado la estadidad abiertamente por los últimos 30 años.

Cuando Rosselló leyó la encuesta le cayó como a pillo de pelicula al Nuevo Dia. Dijo, " que carajos está haciendo un periódico estadista desacreditando a los Puertorriqueños en los ojos de los Americanos?"

El resto es historia.




[Edited by L_F_Miranda on 14th April 2001 at 23:07]

[Hombre-cuidad]

Answer my question in your post, "will 2 alternatives be in our future" please!

[El_Jibaro]

Originally posted by Hombre-cuidad
Answer my question in your post, "will 2 alternatives be in our future" please!

As a pro-Statehood proponent I only want two options in the next Plebscite:

Statehood versus Independence

Only pro-independence peddlers (con artists desguising themselves as patriots) and associated republic demagogues (those who want a republic but still want Washington to pay their salaries) want independence through backdoor politics (por la de atrás... ).

[Hombre-cuidad]

El_jibaro I was not asking you, I was asking L_F_Miranda, if she is a statehooder. I am not a Washington Supporter, I am a Puerto Rican Republic supporter and I want the same plebesite as you do, statehood vs independence! I am not an artist deisguesed as a patriot, and I dont want washington to pay my salaries, I want the same as everr Puerto rican does. Freedom and equal rights, that can be achieved by Independece or Statehood. Except, which one will not make anyone force or further enquire their culture on us, or give us better trading rights and individuality in the world market? You can answer that one El_Jibaro, but I know the answer and I know you do aslo! Independence!

[L_F_Miranda]

Street logic dictates that Democracy is the will of the majorities. That if the majority votes for this or that, then it becomes law, it becomes REALITY.

This type of prole Democracy only functions when people vote for candidates who will fix their streets and approve zoning laws, tax cuts or any other thing that directly affects the majorites. This type of "everyman's Democracy" only works when it does not come into conflict with the interests of "THE POWERS THAT BE", the 15% who really control the U.S.A.

American national Interests ARE NEVER PUT TO A VOTE! When was the last time Americans voted for a war? Did we vote for the NAFTA treaty? Although it screwed up most blue collar workers, it was a real money maker for the 15%.

Will a crack down on open borders be put to a vote? No, because many corporations and middle class households rely on cheap Dominican and Mexican labor.

Will English Only be put to a vote and become law? No beacuse the "Powers That Be" don't feel threatened by street Spanish and they know, by all the studies done so far, that Hispanics are dropping Spanish by the second generation.

Puerto Rican prole logic, El Jibaro style, obviously thinks that there might be a show down between Statehood and Independence. Why not?, that is what we have been taught in grade school, that is the way Democracy works, doesn't it?

The problem with the showdown theory between Statehood and Independence is that I don't think it's in the best interests of the United States. So why would they even decide to do such a thing? If we analyze the way Congress has dealt with our status issue throughout the XX century then I am Right!

The American "ESTABLISHMENT" doesn't want to be put in a straightjacket of having to grant us Statehood when, most likely, it will stir up a hornet's nest of Xenophobia and Republican anger.

Believe me, the news of Hispanics becoming a majority has not helped the Statehooders in the United States. It has stired up a paranoia among Whites, who believe that they will be relegated to minority status by 2050. Republicans, especially, see a Hispanic State with such a lARGE POLITICAL REPRESENTATION as eroding their political power, so why should they agree to have a show down between Statehood and Independence when word is that statehood would win?

Nonetheless, Will Congress agree to a showdown between Statehood and independence, fully knowing that the outcome will be Statehood?

If Statehood has been proven by CBO studies to be a drain on the treasury , $20 Billion a year for a starter and on top of that the new Caribbean state will be entitled to a Poltical representation larger than 29 states, a State for potential of becoming a cultural ghetto like Quebec or a Northern Ireland type unstable State, Why would gringos even give us the option of statehood? Because they are nice? Because they follow rules of Democracy? Because that is the way Americans play, by fair rules?

No, Hombre-ciudad, Americans " NO SE CHUPAN EL DEO". We will solve the status issue with negociations. I believe that an alternative of Free Association might be presented. Why? Beacuse it frees Washington from what it doesn't want to grant, STATEHOOD, and it placates the PPD and pro-independence forces, who together form a MAJORITY!

Taking away the PPD only leaves Washington subject to two alternatives, one of which IT DOESN'T WANT!

That is why Washington keeps on shying away from the so called showdown. That is why Washington is again warming up to a "COMMONWEALTH ALTERNATIVE"

As for the statehooders like Doña Miriam and Kenneth McClintok and Romero, they will do what Rosselló did, go to the United States, they have 50 States to choose from.

[Edited by L_F_Miranda on 15th April 2001 at 17:12]

[Hombre-cuidad]

So I guess you are not a statehooder, Miranda, thank God. We don't need more of them teching our Puerto Rican children on the island USA history. Msybe a showdown will take place, but will be offered by Puerto Ricans to Puerto Ricans only in the far future, but its seems that the PPD will be in power for a lon g time. Also go to a post I made on page two of "a message to Puerto Ricans about Dominicans" and how I arhued and proved my point to a statehooder, Thor!

[Poncepr68]

L_F_Miranda;

I must say that I could not agree with you anymore! I sincerely agree that statehood is one thing that the U.S. has been avoiding for much more than 30 years! Hombre_Cuidad as Puerto Ricans we will continue to need someone to teach american history and I truly do not think that your ideology should cloud your profession! Because a professional is one that does his job even when he/she does not like it!

If we take out the PPD affect the independence dream will become a dream and only that "A DREAM", I am not a statehood supporter but if put to choose at this moment I would be forced to vote for statehood, yes I know I am only one but would you like to play the odds on how many others would be forced to choose for statehood? I truly think not!

I recently was in Puerto Rico and as L_F_Miranda has stated it seems that an alternate ELA is a possibilty, what ever the future may bring I can only hope that as Puerto Ricans we can come together to succeed and not self destruct.