How PR could keep her citizenship and still be a free country. Read How.

[Mike_Coordero]

To Eddier1

Eddier1, maybe we don't have to give up
Land. Maybe it would be something the we
Could live with it. I know, this might sound
Crazy to you and others but how about if
There is an agreement where Puerto Rico would
Fight along side US in time of war?
Many country have done the. I to could see
The land must be the last option but it
Must be open. Remember, PR want to keep there
Citizenship. They don't want to loose it.
I feel strong the if they could keep it they would vote for a free PR.

[Eddier1]

[quote]Originally posted by Mike Coordero:
>>To Eddier1

Eddier1, maybe we don't have to give up
Land. Maybe it would be something the we
Could live with it. I know, this might sound
Crazy to you and others but how about if
There is an agreement where Puerto Rico would
Fight along side US in time of war?
Many country have done the. I to could see
The land must be the last option but it
Must be open. Remember, PR want to keep there
Citizenship. They don't want to loose it.
I feel strong the if they could keep it they would vote for a free PR.<<

Mike;
Since Juan Mari Bras made Puerto Rican citizenship a legal reality by winning his case concerning this issue, I have been waiting in line to receive my Puerto Rican citizenship.

And as soon as the the New Constitutional Convention that the P.I.P. is calling for is convened and a Declaration of Independence is announced I will give up my second-class American citizenship and accept my Puerto Rican citizenship.

Those P.R.s who can't do that, or are unwilling to do that have 50 states in the North to choose from, and they can go there to live and leave us alone in our New Republic of Puerto Rico with our new Puerto Rican citizenships and passports.

Regards Bro,
EddieR #1

[Virgil]

Mike,

What you seem to fail to understand here, is that EddieR and mostly all of those who think like him, could care less if Puerto Ricans are striped off their US citizenship. In fact, that's exactly what they want!!! To erase all traces of "Yanqui imperialism" among Puerto Ricans.
Your idea is very realistic, and I think you are an independentista with your feet "en la tierra". Unfortunately, the majority of independentistas think like EddieR and Bori.
They don't want to accept the reality that more than 90% of those of us who live here (and probably those who live in the States), do not wish to have that citizenship taken away.
Oh, yeah they will come up with numerous reasons why Puerto Ricans who think like that are so incorrect. Whether it is due to fear, convenience, or God knows what 90% of us want that citizenship, is not the relevant issue here. The real issue here which these people don't want to accept is that WE want US citizenship for us and our children and grandchildren.

So your take on the various types of arrangements we could settle with the US is very realistic and I even dare to say something like that is very likely to happen.

COngratulations.

[Virgil]

EddieR,

Mari Bras has no PRican citizenship according to the State Department. Although he was initially allowed to renounce his US citizenship, that decision was later revoked since the State dept. realized the effects of such a decision would trigger a chain reaction among people like yourself. State Dept. reason for revoking the decision was simple. Mari Bras is not willing to leave US jurisdiction which Puerto Rico is at this time, nor is he willing to file for residence as a legal alien.

It may sound strange, but what the State Dept said was that there is no way a puertorican may renounce his/her citizenship and still live in Puerto Rico.

IF Puerto Rico ever becomes independent or reaches a free association pact, then that could change. In the meantime, to the eyes of the US, we are all US citizens whether some people may hate the idea.

[Eddier1]

[quote]Originally posted by Virgil:
>>The real issue here which these people don't want to accept is that WE want US citizenship for us and our children and grandchildren.<<

Wrong Virgil. I have no problem in accepting your reason for wanting to retain your, if I may, second-class citizenship. That is why I said to you that you have 50 states of the U.S. to choose from, and you can take your entire family with you to live in one of them. Moreover, when you are there then you will have the right to vote for President, and have Congressional representation with the vote, and not like now a resident comissioner that has no voice nor vote to champion your cause and needs in P.R..

Why do you seem quite reluctant to make the change to the U.S.; it as easy as going to the Munoz Marin International Airport and hopping on a plane? Would you rather stay in Puerto Rico as a second-class citizen if and when P.R. becomes independent?; frankly I don't think that would be a wise thing to do since you may be regarded as staying there because you want to play the role of being a thorn in the side of the Independent Boricuas. Of course, we would never permit that no more than you who say that you statehooders would ever permit a full-fledged Socialist Republic of Puerto Rico.

Take care,
EddieR #1



[This message has been edited by Eddier1 (edited 16 August 2000).]

[Eddier1]

[quote]Originally posted by Virgil:
EddieR,

>>Mari Bras has no PRican citizenship according to the State Department. Although he was initially allowed to renounce his US citizenship, that decision was later revoked since the State dept. realized the effects of such a decision would trigger a chain reaction among people like yourself....

It may sound strange, but what the State Dept said was that there is no way a puertorican may renounce his/her citizenship and still live in Puerto Rico.<<

The State Dept. or more accurately the Dept. of the Interior does not have the authority to revoke a decision of the Puerto Rican Supreme Court. It has the authority to revoke however the status of ELA or commonwealth and it did so in recinding the U.S. federal law #600 and returned P.R. back to square one as an unincorporated territory which it is to this very moment.
The Commonwealth is defunct in P.R., although many populares will not face that reality and continue as though P.R. is still a commonwealth which it is NOT!

The Puerto Rican Supreme Court decision has not been overturned in Puerto Rico, nor in the United States either where it could be challenged legally in the judicial branch of gov't headed by the U.S. Supreme Court. But up to this time, the U.S. Supreme Court has refused to hear the appeals backed by the Dept. of the Interior of the State dept.because the Dept. of the Interior does not have jurisdiction over the Judiciary in P.R. or in the U.S. either.

Juan Mari Bras continues to this day a citizen of the Island-Nation of Puerto Rico, and is completely protected by the Puerto Rican Supreme Court decision.

He does not have to leave P.R. to renounce anything. Such antiquated rules of the Dept. of the Interior are from the days of the guacaras and are totally obsolete since the Judiciary of Puerto Rico rendered its decision in favor of Mari Bras.

Take care,
EddieR #1

[Poncepr68]

Virgil,

It is interesting to see that someone here is possibly getting the idea that Puerto Rico may never vote for Independence. Concerning a full fledged Socialist Republic I can see many opposing this idea and it will not matter the political association, many will fight against such a regime. A democratic socialist republic maybe, but a full fledge socialist republic is highly unlikely. Socialist governments are not what is in written in paper, Total power will corupt even the noblest of men that is proven throughout history