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[Mike_Coordero]

I believe in the end negations will be the
Only way now or in the future. Sometimes we might not like what we hear but if it gives our only land freedom than we must forget the past and look into the future. I know the some of us the believe in freedom
for our only true country but have some hate towered US. This is not going to do anything for us. We must stop hating and look for the future. I really don't see anything wrong with a free Puerto Rico and having citizenship. Remember we have about 2 millions of our brothers and sisters in NY not to mention other part of US. By keeping our citizenship family won't be divided. Remember that family is everything in our Puerto Rican culture.

[Eddier1]

[quote]Originally posted by Mike Coordero:
[b]I believe in the end negations will be the
Only way now or in the future. Sometimes we might not like what we hear but if it gives our only land freedom than we must forget the past and look into the future. I know the some of us the believe in freedom
for our only true country but have some hate towered US. This is not going to do anything for us. We must stop hating and look for the future. I really don't see anything wrong with a free Puerto Rico and having citizenship. Remember we have about 2 millions of our brothers and sisters in NY not to mention other part of US. By keeping our citizenship family won't be divided. Remember that family is everything in our Puerto Rican culture.<<

Are you asking for dual citizenship achieved through negotiation with the U.S.? Some countries do countenance that, like Israel for example which permits American Jews to retain their citizenship and have Israeli citizenship too.

However, the Jews are all one people whereas the Americans are a multi-pluralistic people. Now if they were all Hispanics, then it would be possible to have what you say, an Independent Puerto Rico with P.R. citizenship and passports like Mari Bras has. He has even travelled to other countries with his Puerto Rican passport and had no problems whatsoever. He was permitted into all the countries he went too as a P.R. citizen.

However, I think the American gov't would not permit dual citizenship for P.R.'s, but you can look down this avenue for possible negotiations on that basis. Nevertheless I reiterate that our Sovereignty is not negotiable, nor is such a small country as ours able to give up any of its lands or sacrifice any of its people. As for military pacts with the U.S., such could not even be discussed until Puerto Rico was an Independent country. As long as it remains an unincorporated territory, it does not have the power to negotiate or enter into any military treaties with any country in the world, let alone the U.S..

We can jaw-jaw with the U.S. all we want, but it will be meaningless chit chat until the U.S. disengages from all of Puerto Rico and obeys not only our demand for sovereignty but also the demand of the United Nations that the U.S. decolonize Puerto Rico forthwith.

What better forum is there than the United Nations as long as Puerto Rico is an unincorporated territory? There we have the eyes and ears of the nations of the world who hear us and see all that is happening to Puerto Rico.

BTW, I guess you didn't read my post on racism and hatred and who is responsible for it and who are the victims that may react with hatred with regard to the emotional trauma they experienced from being abused or otherwise hatefully discriminated against.

EddieR #1



[This message has been edited by Eddier1 (edited 17 August 2000).]

[Virgil]

EddieR,


First,

Puerto Rico is NOT under the Dept. of the Interior in the American system, it was but not any longer. It is NOW under an interagency group whose president is Mr. Jeffrey Farrow, appointed by Pres. Clinton.

Second,

Mari Bras' petition for relinquising his citizenship was initially accepted by the Dept. of State in the Dominican Republic.
Everyhting was OK until esquire Alberto Lozada of Mayaguez also tried to relinquish his citizenship but he was denied to.
He took his case to the courts in the US and after weeks of deliberation the judge ruled that Mr. Lozada's intentions had a political overtone and I quote "this court is not here to resolve political issues". So the case was dismissed and Mr. Lozada was not allowed to relinquish his citizenship. The State Department, when it found out about this case, decided then to revoke its own decision on the case of Mari Bras, for the reasons I stated in my previous statement.

Third,

What the Puerto Rico Supreme Court ruled was that US citizenship is not an obstacle for a person born in Puerto Rico to vote. The case was brought by Myriam Ramirez de Ferrer since Mari Bras was not a US citizen, which is a requisite according to Electoral Law.
The Supreme Court DID NOT ratified there is a true Puertorican citizenship. This was a conclusion those who favor Mari Bras came up with.

THESE ARE THE FACTS.

[Eddier1]

[quote]Originally posted by Virgil:
[b]EddieR,


>>First,

Puerto Rico is NOT under the Dept. of the Interior in the American system, it was but not any longer. It is NOW under an interagency group whose president is Mr. Jeffrey Farrow, appointed by Pres. Clinton.

Second,

Mari Bras' petition for relinquising his citizenship was initially accepted by the Dept. of State in the Dominican Republic.
Everyhting was OK until esquire Alberto Lozada of Mayaguez also tried to relinquish his citizenship but he was denied to.
He took his case to the courts in the US and after weeks of deliberation the judge ruled that Mr. Lozada's intentions had a political overtone and I quote "this court is not here to resolve political issues". So the case was dismissed and Mr. Lozada was not allowed to relinquish his citizenship. The State Department, when it found out about this case, decided then to revoke its own decision on the case of Mari Bras, for the reasons I stated in my previous statement.

Third,

What the Puerto Rico Supreme Court ruled was that US citizenship is not an obstacle for a person born in Puerto Rico to vote. The case was brought by Myriam Ramirez de Ferrer since Mari Bras was not a US citizen, which is a requisite according to Electoral Law.
The Supreme Court DID NOT ratified there is a true Puertorican citizenship. This was a conclusion those who favor Mari Bras came up with.<<

Dice it or tweak it any way you want Virgil, but I read the decision of the Puerto Rican Supreme Court, and you could too if you would look it up or do a search for it.

In that decision the Judges of the P.R. Supreme Court clearly concurred that there is definitely a Puerto Rican citizenship, and that Mari Bras is clearly in his rights to claim his Puerto Rican citizenship, which he did. Don't forget that Mari Bras is also an attorney and KNOWS HIS RIGHTS!

What you say about Farrow only applies to the Vieques issue and not to Puerto Rico as a whole. As long as Puerto Rico is an unincorporated territory the Dept. of the Interior has jurisdiction over the internal affairs of Puerto Rico, but NOT the Judiciary of Puerto Rico. Why? you may ask, because the authority of the Puerto Rican Supreme Court concerns only the making of the law of the land for Puerto Rico, and not how those laws will affect the internal affairs or behavior of the Puerto Rican People. Since territorial matters concerning the internal affairs and the behavior of Puerto Ricans toward their unincorporated territorial status has been under the authority of the Dept. of the Interior, it still remains so, even though as I said before many of its rules and regulations, which have to be approved by the Legislature of the U.S. Congress are antiquated or "de los dias de las guacaras" and ought to be changed forthwith. But only the Legislative body of the U.S. Congress can approve or disapprove of such changes.

Have a Nice Day,
EddieR #1

[Mike_Coordero]

(Are you asking for dual citizenship achieved through negotiation with the U.S.? Some countries do countenance that, like Israel for example, which permits American Jews to retain their citizenship and have Israeli citizenship too).

I am asking not only for dual citizenship
Like Israel, Mexico, and other countries but
also to give PR her freedom with full citizenship to. US would save billions if not more if PR retain their citizenship.
Remember, there is 2 millions of our people living in NY not to say more in other states.
By keeping our citizenship everyone save money. US would stop sending us money like is doing now. More saving for US. As long as our people want there citizenship save we must do the same. We must give our people what they want.

[Mike_Coordero]

Do you think the many PNP are going to vote for the PPD?

[Mike_Coordero]

Do you think the many PNP are going to vote for the PPD?