The reall problems with Statehood. Read why!

[Bori331]

Taina:

Very well put! That is the problem with many Puerto Rican's today. Many seem to have an inferiority complex and feel they cannot survive without the U.S which is not true ! We as a people have come a long way and are far too educated to keep depending on th U.S !

[Eddier1]

[quote]Originally posted by TainaChulita:
[>>It is true , what we really need is leadership.<<

TainaChulita, if the Puertorriquenos would all unite in the next election for Gobernador, and elect the Honorable Ruben Berrios Martinez as Gobernador, then we would have that leadership.

El porque, el honorable Berrios es una de los mas grandes hombres y uno de los mas grandes heroes que Puerto Rico ha tenido en su historia.

Hacia la Victoria Siempre Boricuas!,
EddieR #1

[Virgil]

If we (those who live here in Puerto Rico) ever vote to become a separate country,

1)would all of you who live in the States move here to enjoy all the promised bonanza that is coming??

I mean according to independentistas we would make better, then in my opinion, we would be in an Utopic nation-state. (State not as in a US State, for those of you who don't understand the term). How would we be able to compete in a globalized neo-capitalistic world? If you were an inversionist, would you put your money in a country where the labor costs surpass by more than 400% the elaboration of your products? There are numerous countries who have prospered, that's true. But what's their per capita income? What's their population density per square mile? Are there so many laws safeguarding workers?

2. In order to "compete" with other countries, wouldn't it be necessary to lower incomes since we are right now at the federal minimum wage?

I once asked this same question to Senator Ramirez de Orellana (PIP) and he told me that with all the computer and high tech jobs, on the contrary, we would have higher salaries. And that's fabulous. But high hig paying jobs are nothing but 9% of our major industries. What should we do with the rest? The construction industry, the manufacturing industries, the agricultural industries, etc... Those jobs who are the gross of our work force (not to mention govt jobs who account for 50% of the workforce) will have to suffer reductions in pay. That's a fact.

3. Military bases : The US would definitely have a say in this issue. Now they don't pay directly for the use of those bases. When we become a separate republic, they will but, how much? And some of you may say, well we would tell them to pick up their bases and get the hell off. Well, we are all still waiting for Castro to do the same thing with Guantanamo. That should give you a hint. Additionally, do you guys really have accounted for the money that's being poured into our economy (directly and indirectly) from military bases? Direct salaries of civilian employees, CONTRACTS with local companies and Sub-contracts. There's a lot of capital there, who we would have to seek by other means.

I know, I know, some of you might accuse me of being "vende patria", "barrigon", "piti-yanqui", etc... That's ok. I understand you, since many of you are moved by emotions rather than by rationale.

Our final status is going to be solved one day, and that day we would all (those of us who live here) try to "echar pa'lante" whether Puerto Rico becomes a state or a republic.

[Virgil]

"The Cuban government of Fidel Castro has condemned the United States for the high level of poverty in Latin America, stating that the "neo-liberal" economic policies supported by the U.S. "generate discontent" which demand change, according to official Cuban sources."


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Castro blames States
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Says Latin American leaders 'dance
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Editor's note: WND's multi-lingual reporter Toby Westerman specializes in monitoring global shortwave broadcasts and reading foreign-language news journals for information not readily available from the domestic press. Each month, Westerman presents a special in-depth report in WorldNetDaily's monthly magazine, WorldNet. Readers may subscribe to WorldNet through WND's online store.

By I.J. Toby Westerman
© 2000, WorldNetDaily.com, Inc.

The Cuban government of Fidel Castro has condemned the United States for the high level of poverty in Latin America, stating that the "neo-liberal" economic policies supported by the U.S. "generate discontent" which demand change, according to official Cuban sources.

"There is no justification of the continuance of the neo-liberal model" of economics due to the high level of poverty in Latin America, the broadcast said. Even so, there is continued support in the region for what the Castro government terms the "neo-liberal model," because, according to the statement, "the vast majority of Latin American politicians, now more than ever, dance to the strings of U.S. mandates."

Now, if that's true, what would spare us from that same fate those Latin American countries have suffered?

[Eddier1]

Virgil;


Well probably by combating liberalism and its errors as applied to Latin American countries, and that means establishing a socialist-path gov't for the Republic of Puerto Rico and with a strong, centralized gov't which would develop many fine socialist programs for P.R. just like the fine socialist programs of even the U.S., which is classified as a Socialist Republic by the United Nations.

Now I know that many P.R.s and perhaps even you Virgil will not accept such changes, and therefore they and perhaps you will pack up and use your "second class" American citizenship to immigrate to the U.S.A.. There, although you will be able to vote for President since you would reside in a member state thereof, yet you will find that you will encounter discrimination, lack of jobs, and even though you have "that citizenship" you will never be accepted as equals or peers with the establishment Americans. You and all the others who move to the U.S. will find that you will always be for that establishment just another bunch of "immigrant spics".

Have a Nice Day,
EddieR #1

[Virgil]

So, you recognize that our current way of life would have to be changed dramatically?
And you still have the guts to tell us we should vote for that? That's what you want for us? Massive exodus, racial discrimination in the States? I am a Structural Engineer, so even if I get all the racism I could face, I will still make a decent living. I don't need welfare, in fact I wish it was abolished, it has created lots of "vagos". So next time you wish to "encajonarme" in one of your prejudiced estadistas schemes(so ironic, and according to you only the Americans are prejudiced), check first so you don;t make a fool out of yourself.

Now for the rest of the Puerto Ricans who will definitely flee, I know they will face that destiny you talk about. I find it so hard to understand how a supposed to be Puerto Rican, could be so selfish to reach his goals without any regards to the well being of his fellow "Puerto Ricans". That's why indepedence will never win here, you guys have done such a bad public relations work than when the time comes (mark my words) for us to decide either if we are in or out, we will vote in a majority for statehood. In the meantime, we stay like we are.

[Eddier1]

[quote]Originally posted by Virgil:
>>when the time comes (mark my words) for us to decide either if we are in or out, we will vote in a majority for statehood. In the meantime, we stay like we are.<<

Virgil, the dictator! = another blowhard Statehooder

Hacia la Victoria Siempre Boricuas,

Viva Puerto Rico, Vieques, y los otros terrunos de Borinquen Libre!!!

EddieR #1