How an Arm struggle could stop Statehood from happening.

[El_Jibaro]

I love my Puerto Rico with all my heart, but I must admit that our Puerto Rican Flag is just an American Flag "wannabe". Look at the colors: RED, WHITE and BLUE, they are in the same order as the American Flag. Even the Flag of my wife's country: El Salvador, is more original than our Puerto Rican Flag. [And even the old "Grito de Lares Flag" is just a Dominican Flag in disguise, but I think this last FACT flies way over your head, sonny .]

About my patriotism, dear "nene", you don't know the tree you are climbing on.

We ESTADISTAS don't want to sell our country, WE WANT TO PAY OUR OWN EXPENSES. Until now Puerto Rico has been taking money for free from American Taxpayers [and I am one of these TAXPAYERS since I paid $10,000 in Federal Taxes last year, and this year 2000 it will probably climb to $15,000]. It is time to stop being "arrimados " and becoming FULLY CONTRIBUTING MEMBERS of this Nation that has given us BILLIONS for FREE.

Besides, what I want for my PEOPLE is FULL political power in Washington: SEVEN Congressmen bidding OUR INTERESTS . If this isn't patriotic pride then the sky must be the color RED.

Like it or not, WE THE PUERTO RICAN PEOPLE are involved with the United States right to the BONE. Even some independentista leaders are not "Native" Puerto Ricans, but adopted Anglo-Americans [like their candidate for San Juan mayor]. Fully HALF of ALL Puerto Ricans live HERE in the USA. There are MORE Puerto Ricans in the USA than Cuban exiles. The only other Hispanic group that outnumbers us here in the USA are Mexicans, and they share close to 2000 miles of common borders with the USA, and much more history with the USA than us Boricuas.

To cut our ties and relationship with the USA would be the same as separating two SIEMESE twins by killing one of them. Guess who would die sweety pie . But, as I have seen here, you separatistas tend to think that money comes "magically" from a black box in Washington, so it is no surprise that you think that Puerto Rico can create money OUT OF NOWHERE and be rich by becoming independent.

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Manuel Alonso

[Papo_Blair]

To El_Jíbaro

To love the Puerto Rican flag is not to
give it away for money. Also you are wrong
when you say that our Puerto Rican Flag is just an American Flag "wannabe". Yes, the colors are RED, WHITE and BLUE; they are in the same order as the American Flag but they
have more white and red strips then we do.
You say you are patriotic but only an
American patriotic not a Puerto Rican
Patriotic. You say the you and the PNP
don't want to sell our country,
but the is exactly what you are doing.
You say we Puerto Rican have been taking money for free from American Taxpayers
but we are not. Remember, we were taken
by force. This money you are talking
about we all ready pay for it two or three
times over by dieing in American wars not
to mention using our land is such a bad
way. How could you even say to fully
Contribute when we have done it all ready.
You said the US has given us BILLIONS for FREE. Believe me nothing is for free.

The FULL political power in Washington
you talk about is not going to happen.
Is to much power and the republican
party with some Democratic party members
know this. Yust think about it. SEVEN Congressmen bidding OUR INTERESTS. This
would make it the most powerful group in
America passing the white Americans.
To much power my friend. Is true, WE THE Puerto Rican PEOPLE are involved with the United States right to the BONE.
And this could go on as a free country.
You say the HALF of ALL Puerto Ricans live HERE in the USA. This is not true.
Two million live in New York and then
you have other small groups in Chicago
, Orlando, FL and etc. The rest are in
Puerto Rico, close to 4 millions.
We the believe in a free Puerto Rico don't
want to cut our ties and relationship with the USA. You said that we think that Puerto Rico can create money OUT OF NOWHERE and be rich by becoming independent. We never said
the. I have said and those who believe in
a free Puerto Rico the we would get help
from the world bank, and etc. Remember, as
I said before. We don't have to many friends
in the White House. They don't want us
to have statehood not to mention helping
the PPD reach their goals so there is only
one true option. A free Democratic Puerto
Rico.

[Eddie_Rosas]

Papo,

I read your posting and I must say that although you made it clear that you hope this never happens, I can tell you for sure it never will! On the other hand, remember, freedom didn't come cheap to the United States, there was a lot of bloodshed to achieve this. No one, not even the founding fathers said that joining the Union would be a piece of cake. They knew that America was made up of immigrants and therefore there was always the prospects for civil confrontations/disagreement with the government. That's why, there are provisions to the constitution that calls for specific guidelines for those who wish to become a part of the Union. The reason "underground" groups or "guerrillas" in Puerto Rico are well trained is because 90% have served in the military and have been trained by the best, so it is obvious for that to be a fact. Still, they can get their "asses" royally whipped if necessary. They won't even know what hit them, believe me, in a blink of an eye they will be history. Now, I ask you, if that is the case, how come they have not acted upon after all of these years of the so called "oppression" they've been complaining about? The answer is that, #1 they have no money to operate, #2 they know they are not going to be successful, #3 they have no backbone, #4 technoligy has caugh up with them and they can be easily tracked.
Puerto Rico has never been incorporated to the Union not because of "Hawaii", but because Puerto Ricans have chose not to do so and it has no bearings with Hawaii's status. Besides, the pride of many Puerto Ricans of having their own olympic team representing them is something that for many is negotiable, in a way, I can understand that. It has nothing to do with culture or anything like that, because culture are values instilled on us by our parents and grandparents, if you don't believe me then tell me why is it that Puerto Ricans in the states feel as strong and care for our island even when they have never visited the island? That's because their parents kept those roots and traditions alive! Uncle sam or no one else for that matter took nor have been able to take that away from them. What it is, is that in Puerto Rico there are a bunch of hypocrits y "malagradecidos" who are selfish who don't care about anything but what's only best for them. They live a good life but yet are willing to spoil things for everybody else. Getting what they want would only mean a moral victory, because all they are going to do, is take are beautiful Puerto Rico back in time after all of these years of steady, economical and social progress. Puerto Rico has not become a state because the government "PPD" and "PIP" refuse to properly educate the public on those issue, they disinform the public and especially the elder, because they know that to instill fear on the hearts of those who are not sure, is securing a vote for them thus preventing such a process from taking place, they do this very well with the young as well. What a shame!
You take care and have a wonderful weekend coming up!
E Rosas sends

[This message has been edited by Eddie Rosas (edited 05 October 2000).]

[Bori331]

Eddie Rosas :

Wrong, Wrong, Wrong!!! The reason why many Puerto Rican's here in th U.S try and keep their culture alive is because of the fact that they are indeed losing their culture, their language and who they are !!! PR's here in the states, half of them, can't even write in Spanish; the only thing they know about their culture is that we have a well known boxer Trinidad,we have Ricki Martin but they do not know who we as Boricuas really are ! PR's here in the States have lost alot of their identity therfore they try and keep it alive by traveling to our Puerto Rico to stay connected, now, if you turn Puerto Rico into another U.S there will be nothing left of our rich culture and heritage !! Fact mi pana ! The Estadistas on the other hand are the one's filling the Puerto Ricans heads with lies and propoganda for their benefit !

[El_Jibaro]

Milton:

If we have to go as far as placing our People in a "RESERVATION" to protect our CULTURE then our culture must be pretty feeble .

Where lies the greatness of OUR CULTURE that it can easily be erased by becoming a State ?

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Manuel Alonso

[Bori331]

Manuel:

Who in the world is talking about a reservation!!! Maybe I can put it a little more into perspective; i.e.,when Mexico lost land to the U.S after the mexican American war, they had made a promise to Mexico that the Mexican's already there were going to be taken care of and would keep their lands; that wasn't the case though, many were displaced and many of them were overwhelmed at the influx of Anglos that eventualy took over their lands! Throughout time the Mexican's living there eventualy lost their culture and language resulting in what is now called the chicano culture! The Mexican's there can't even speak spanish anymore !! They are even ashamed at how their lands were just handed over to the American's and so fourth, so you see by becoming a state you will eventualy create a Nuyorican culture and not a truly genuine Puerto Rican culture ! I know that no matter how much factual evidence is shown to you , you will always stand your ground .

[El_Jibaro]

Bueno Milton, yo no veo que tu escribas mucho en español en este Foro. Si tanto amas NUESTRA CULTURA deberías demostrar tus amplios conocimientos lingüísticos en el campo de nuestra Lengua ESPAÑOLA en primer lugar.

Sin embargo la Lengua no es el único valor cultural nuestro, también lo es el Conocimiento en general. Puerto Rico produce mas graduados de universidad per cápita que la mayoría de los estados de la unión. Si acaso tu crees que los "niuyoricans" que tu ves representan nuestra cultura en general, tengo noticias para ti: la mayoría de "niuyoricans" que hay en Estados Unidos son descendientes de los trabajadores migrantes que vinieron entre 1930-1960. Por eso muchos de ellos no saben español. Pero hoy en día hay un gran número de gente como yo que hemos venido a Estados Unidos a trabajar en el mundo profesional como ingenieros, doctores, técnicos, abogados, etc., porque Puerto Rico no tiene la capacidad de absorver todos los profesionales que generan las universidades puertorriqueñas. Con gente como nosotros Puerto Rico se garantiza que nuestra cultura no se va a extinguir . La ESTADIDAD no nos pone en peligro porque nuestra cultura no es de un par de años, nuestra cultura tiene siglos, y para nosotros los profesionales puertorriqueños llegar a tener éxito aquí nos ha tomado años, tanto de educación como de aculturación.

Pero mas que nada compadre, piensa que la cultura no es un fenómeno estático, pues siempre está cambiando. Aquellos Pueblos [grupos étnicos, si es que no entiendes el español] que se quedan estáticos culturalmente se atrofian y se estancan. Mira como la gente que se aferra a su antigua cultura en la India viven por debajo del resto del mundo. Mira como aquellos que reúsan modernizarse en el África y otros países parecidos terminan muriéndose de hambre y de nuevas enfermedades. Para sobrevivir en este mundo, que se está desgastando y que tiene recursos limitados, se necesitan conocimientos técnicos y modernización.

Y cuando hablo de modernización no estoy hablando de VALORES MORALES, pues estos valores son ETERNOS. El ABORTO es tan viejo como los antiguos griegos y romanos, la EUTANASIA lo es también. El ROBO es malo no importa que el que lo cometa sea un nativo con taparrabos o un ejecutivo en Wall-Street. Pero los lenguajes si tienen que cambiar. Si hubieras estudiado LATÍN, que yo estudie en la universidad , te hubieras dado cuenta que esta Lengua Madre del español es mas complicada que el mismo español. Y el mismo inglés tiene una gramática mucho mas fácil de dominar que el español. Por lo tanto muchacho, no vengas con "ideotas" de idiotas, que el mundo no es tan sencillo como los independentistas quieren pintarlo.

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Manuel Alonso