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Old 1st October 2000, 09:26
Papo_Blair Papo_Blair is offline
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How an Arm struggle could stop
Statehood from happening.

First, this is something I hope the it never
happen but it could. If PR ever get to close
to statehood or if statehood ever got 75%
and the PPD got 40% then the arm struggle would happen in PR. Even the PIP has said
that as longs as they could reach freedom using the vote that they would not take up arms. So this mean they would take up arms if this happen. Other groups would fallow.
Even some if not all of the PPD would also
follow because they are not going to fight
in the side of there old enemy PNP.
Remember, Americans, not the army, hate
wars expressly in there own back yard or should I say in one of their territories.
This would shift the view of statehood to
the Independence movements. You see,
Americans and the US government want a state
that would enter the Union in peace and
the everyone is happy something they know
would not happen in PR. This is one of
the reason why PR was never incorporated
Into the Union like Hiawaie. The US
Government knows that today PR groups are
Better arm then in the best. That they
have develop guerrilla war tactics like
in Vietnam. That they have build tunnels
where they could have hospitals and could
hold up to 700 soldiers at one time if
Bombs are thrown. So you see, an Arm
Struggle could be very successful in changing
the mind of the American public.
Now, like I said before. I hope this
does not happen but the possibility are there. I hope the as a people, the we could
find a peaceful way out of this before
blood is spill.

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Old 1st October 2000, 09:31
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First, this is something I hope the it never
happen but it could. If PR ever get to close
to statehood or if statehood ever got 75%
and the PPD got 40% then the arm struggle would happen in PR. Even the PIP has said
that as longs as they could reach freedom using the vote that they would not take up arms. So this mean they would take up arms if this happen. Other groups would fallow.
Even some if not all of the PPD would also
follow because they are not going to fight
in the side of there old enemy PNP.
Remember, Americans, not the army, hate
wars expressly in there own back yard or should I say in one of their territories.
This would shift the view of statehood to
the Independence movements. You see,
Americans and the US government want a state
that would enter the Union in peace and
the everyone is happy something they know
would not happen in PR. This is one of
the reason why PR was never incorporated
Into the Union like Hiawaie. The US
Government knows that today PR groups are
Better arm then in the best. That they
have develop guerrilla war tactics like
in Vietnam. That they have build tunnels
where they could have hospitals and could
hold up to 700 soldiers at one time if
Bombs are thrown. So you see, an Arm
Struggle could be very successful in changing
the mind of the American public.
Now, like I said before. I hope this
does not happen but the possibility are there. I hope the as a people, the we could
find a peaceful way out of this before
blood is spill.

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Old 1st October 2000, 23:17
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IF INDEPENDENTISTAS EVER TAKE ARM TO STOP
STATEHOOD THE FEDERAL GOVERMENT WILL SQUISH
YOU LIKE A PAN CAKE. YOU WON EVEN LAS ONE DAY
YOUR GROUP IS TO WEAK,DISORGANISE,AND TO COWARD TO FIGHT. AS WE ALL KNOW YOU ONLY THINK OF VIOLANCE,,,LOU
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Old 2nd October 2000, 09:21
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Hey Papo-witch-Blair:

Do you smoke marihuana, or are you on some kind of anti-psychotic medication , that you have just written that if STATEHOOD got 75% and the PPD got 40% there would be an armed conflict ? Just add 75% to 40% ... Yep, it adds to more than 100% [it adds to 115% ]. Perhaps most independentistas don't know math ... No wonder you independentistas are so violent: YOU ARE TOTALLY DISCONNECTED FROM REALITY .

By the way, if you knew how to read Spanish you would have read what the independentista leaders just said on "Grito de Lares Day" about the PPD: the PPD is more pro-USA than pro-independence. So if you daydream that the populares are going to rise up in arms in favor of independence you must be smoking more than just marihuana, perhaps you are smoking CRACK .

About Vietnam kicking the USA's gluteus, you again IGNORE the facts: less than ten years before fighting the USA, Vietnam kicked France out of their land, and before that they had been kicking Japanese WW2 Army glutei big time. If you think that it was a piece of cake you must be smoking OPIUM .

But the BIG FACT IN YOUR FACE is that independentistas only add up to 3.8% , so if you want to go ahead and begin an armed confrontation against the USA think about the 96.2% of the rest of us Puerto Ricans. Besides trying to VIOLATE the will of the ABSOLUTE MAJORITY of Puerto Ricans [96.2%], don't overlook the fact that the Puerto Rican National Guard, the Puerto Rican Police and all the Puerto Ricans involved in the US Armed Forces [veterans and those currently in uniform] probably outnumber you GOONS two to one .

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Old 2nd October 2000, 20:06
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To EL_Jiaro and Lou-Lou

It looks like your guys don't know how to
read. I even said in the beginning the I
hope this never happen. Yes, I do believe
in a free Puerto Rico but I don't believe
in killing my own people. I just wrote that
this could happen and is something everyone
Should know about. What I really don't understand Is how could you guys support statehood when the republic party along with some Democratic members don't want PR to become a state. Don't the PNP have any dignity? They don't want us. How many times do they have to tell you guys the and the PNP. Stop kissing you know what! They don't even want the PPD to succeed either. So the
only true thing out there is freedom
for our country. But you, the PNP, and the
PPD are so blind. Maybe some day you guys
would wake up or if not the US would
do it for you.
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Old 3rd October 2000, 07:37
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Hey "Papote":

Lets say the next Puerto Rican Referendum was only on Statehood and Independence, and Statehood won by 80% of the votes [independentista leaders do admit that the "populares" are more pro-USA than pro-independence, you know]. If Puerto Rico became a State with that ABSOLUTE Majority of the Votes, then you independentistas would be forced to begin an INDEPENDENCE WAR, no? And this is why you tell us that we should avoid political violence by giving in to the wishes of the independentistas.

Now, let me see, we should avoid VIOLENCE by giving in to the wishes of the ABSOLUTE minority . What would you call this "papo"? Democracy ? Friendly persuasion ?

Are you sure that you support independence by personal choice, or do you do it out of FEAR for VIOLENCE? If FEAR inspires you, then what else are you willing to do in order to avoid VIOLENCE ?

Tell me how this is different from paying CASH to the neighborhood bully [el "guapo" del barrio] for not breaking your legs .

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Old 3rd October 2000, 23:36
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To El_Jíbarote:

I never said to avoid political violence
by giving in to the wishes of the
independentistas. I believe in
Independence because I love my flag,
my country and I don't want to loose it
to another flag and another country.
Not like you who sold PRico for
money. Now, I never said that if an Arm
Struggle happen that they would win but
the it good be good enough to scare the
American public point of view about
PR. So, I ask you, which flag do you love?
The Puerto Rican flag or the United State
flag?
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