Crime in PR another reason to Say no to Statehood.

[Poncepr68]

Papo Blair,

I think that you are the one that has it wrong. Many problems that we have in Puerto Rico can can from the moon, it is our people that have to be strong (like you said). Crime, drugs, prostition, rapist, etc... does no come from another land it comes from people and as regretful as it may be it is our people that are doing this. I know influence you say, TV, radio, tourist, traveling, etc... all of this creates an influence what should we do banish them, I think not!!! Education is the key whether it is under statehood, commonwealth, or independence education and better family orientation is what will lead us to better and bigger things.

[conciencia]

Lenny,

I believe you are right with your train of thoughts, however I believe a better family orientation especially back to the basic will help a lot to diminish the current crime problems.

[Poncepr68]

Conciencia,

That is why I mentioned both "EDUCATION and FAMILY ORIENTATION" they both go hand in hand.

[lacoctel]

Originally posted by LOU-LOU
THATS THE PROBLEM WITH CATRISTAS THEY ALWAYS
BLAIMING SOME ONE ELSE FOR THEIR PROBLEMS.90 PERCENT OF THE DRUGS COME FROM
LATIN AMERICA/ NO AMERICA.IS TO RISKY TO
SHIP DRUGS TO U.S.A. AND THAN TO P.R. ,,SO
DONT BLAME OTHERS FOR YOUR DRUGS PROBLEM,,,,

Papo B.
In reading and seeing the frustration expressed by compay nacionalista the other day, I can see why. Perhaps on some level your analysis that independence would remedy the crime problems is somewhat simplistic, but this response by la/el? Lou Lou is ludicrous! Since when in these types of serious discussions do we so act so outrageous and take a page from the mid 20th century and 'red bait' people, something very seldom done in places like Europe where education is far superior than in the United States and other parts of this continent.

But then we cannot just say that we are 'blaming others for our problems' that is a very simplistic answer that totally fails and seeks to deflect the issues you raise. Deal w/ the issues Lou Lou!!!

Also we cannot lose sight of the fact of supply and demand, as I've sat over coffee and dinner on many occasions with Colombians in the L.A. area, they always say, which I cannot at all argue with, Colombia is in the drug business because there is a HUGE DEMAND in the UNITED STATES, get it Supply--Demand! They also say, COLOMBIANS DON'T MAKE THE DEMAND, THERE IS SOMETHING INHERENT IN THE SOCIETY HERE, GO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT IS, AND THEN MAYBE WHEN THERE IS NO MORE DEMAND, THE COCEROS WILL HAVE TO GO FIND SOMETHING ELSE TO DO!

hasta pronto

[Poncepr68]

Lacoctel,

I differ with you once more. The colombians creat the demand not the United States and this is the way that many drug lords do it by preying on the youth with gifts and money.

I have one question for you have you ever lived in Europe, because I have and to be honest with you Europe has less violence then the U.S. but the crime is there and so is the problem with drugs and that includes your so dear France.

I can agree that LOU-LOU may be somewhat off track, maybe, maybe not, what I can agree with her is that too many people today are always blaming others for there faults and failures when we should be focusing on a solution, instead we just simply remain part of the problem.

I do not agree with her calling anyone a castrista independentista, but that is her right.

[lacoctel]

Originally posted by Lenny_Vazquez
Lacoctel,

The colombians creat the demand not the United States and this is the way that many drug lords do it by preying on the youth with gifts and money.

your so dear France.

too many people today are always blaming others for there faults and failures when we should be focusing on a solution, instead we just simply remain part of the problem.

I do not agree with her calling anyone a castrista independentista, but that is her right.

Hola Lenny:

Thanks for the feedback as I am here designing a comparitve analysis of abstract use of articles in contrast with English and French literature which is stressful, but we have to do what we have to do. This is a nice break, sort of.

First let me respond Lenny, you know if the Colombians can create such a demand WITHOUT: Advertising, sales and marketing people, etc. while meanwhile everyone in all the various sectors of "products" and services, including products such as George W. and Al Gore, and also including other 'substances' such as big tobacco and alchohol have to spend millions on advertising and marketing, and Big Tobacco and Big Pisto freak out when they are told not to set up billboards near schools, etc,

So then DAMN... LOS COLOMBIANOS are thee MOST BRILLIANT BUSINESS PEOPLE KNOWN TO THE PLANET!!! All the Capitalista loving compitas should take their hats off to nuestros hermanos Colombianos!

The billion dollar business they do absent of any type of advertising, marketing or involvement from major shipping companies, [in comparison to other major industries, just a small network of couriers] speaks VOLUMES to the fact that THERE IS A HUGE DEMAND here in the U.S. that we as you would say, CANNOT BLAME OTHERS FOR, CERTAINLY NOT THEM, and we must look into it deeply, if it takes going door to door as the census people did to sit down and speak somewhat at length with every family living in the U.S. or parts of the U.S. The war on drugs is a failure and yes yes yes you are right we have to STOP POINTING FINGERS AT A SMALL THIRD WORLD COUNTRY AND BLAMING THEM FOR OUR PROBLEMS.

[France dear to me... mais bien sur! [of course] If my papi is Francais and I speak it [not ever as good as he does, nowhere near!] and if French lit is part of what I do, then it better be dear. But so is Mexico lindo and California, except a lot of materialistic idiots have messed up California and given it a plastic attitude far worse than what people say about NY, I've been in NY, NY is real, California can be so fake, thank God for la raza aca who help keep it real!]



[Edited by lacoctel on 2nd November 2000 at 19:53]

[Poncepr68]

Lacoctel,

Here we go on to advertisement, see they do advertise, not like the big tobacco companies and not even as close to Frito Lay, Doritos, etc... but advertise they do. See going school by school, youngster by youngster showing them how big and bad they are, their nice fancy cars and then they all let them know how they got all this, "DRUGS!!!" TV, radio, bill boards, buses and trains, etc... is not the only way of advertising there is also the show and tell type and many times that can sell more than a million commercials.

I agree with what you stated concerning the colombian drug lords are smart as hell and many other capitalist should learn from there ways. By the way I consider colombians my brother and sister, but those involved in the drug business I do not nor will I ever consider them my brothers.

I think you missed or just did not want to answer my point on Europe including France. They have crime and drug problems the only difference is that they do not make everthing public unless they just can not hide it and in the U.S. things just do not work that way when it comes to media (Freedom of Press).