Puerto Rico has a very strong political smell

[conciencia]

The fact that President won by the imposition of another entity it does not mean that the recount says many stories or versions.

Bush looks like he won by a margin of between 200 to 500, depends who you list to.

It is also true that over 200,000 Ricand live in orlando alone, now imagine the majority voting for mainly one president all stuck together with one goal. So a good politician is looking at the Rican from many prospectives and next Presidency, Congress and Senate could all because of Puertorricans from all these Big Cites or States like NYC, Chicago, Oralndo, TAmpa and even Miami. we have an incredible force and that is why these democrats are investing in the Viequez cause, especially since Bush may use his 2003 mandate to vacate for the next campaign.

Read along,


Sen. Clinton in Puerto Rico in support of Vieques protesters
July 14, 2001 Posted: 8:32 PM EDT (0032 GMT)



Clinton shakes hands with Archbishop of San Juan Roberto Gonzalez Nieves on Saturday


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SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico (AP) -- New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton arrived in Puerto Rico on Saturday to visit environmental activist Robert F. Kennedy and a New York labor leader jailed for protests against Navy bombing on Vieques island.

Clinton has said her one-day visit is a "gesture of solidarity" with protesters. Kennedy, nephew of former President Kennedy, and labor leader Dennis Rivera are serving 30-day sentences for trespassing connected to an April 28 protest.

Her visit comes as the Navy has notified local government it will begin a new round of exercises on Vieques August 1.

Acting Gov. Ferdinand Mercado, who made the announcement Friday, said the timing is "insensitive and lacking prudence" because it would follow a July 29 nonbinding referendum the local government is holding to gauge if and when Vieques' 9,100 residents want the Navy to leave. One option will be an immediate end to bombing.

Clinton, a Democrat who supports an immediate halt to the exercises, arrived in the capital, San Juan, on Saturday morning. She did not speak to media at the airport before leaving in a motorcade for the federal detention center in suburban Guaynabo.

Clinton also planned to meet with Archbishop San Juan Roberto Gonzalez Nieves after leaving the prison on Saturday afternoon.

The former first lady will not travel to Vieques -- an outlying Puerto Rican island.

President Bush plans to have the Navy out of Vieques by 2003. But that promise has not appeased many Puerto Ricans, who claim six decades of bombing has harmed the health of islanders. The Navy denies those claims.

Many New York politicians have traveled to Puerto Rico to lend support to the Vieques cause -- some say to win votes among New York's estimated 1 million Puerto Ricans.

On Friday, New York legislator Adam Clayton Powell IV was released after being sentenced to time served in a San Juan federal court. He was arrested June 28 for trespassing on Navy land.

In April, Clinton met with New York civil rights leader Al Sharpton at a Brooklyn detention center. Sharpton is still serving a 90-day sentence for trespassing.

[Ronald]

I am glad that you are saying that these politicians are all clamoring for rights for Vieques just to get your vote. I heard one ppd member say in referance to Bill and Hillary that even the Presedent and first lady don't think that the navy should be in Vieqes. How should they know when it was time for him to go to war he took cover and hid. So now you have all these people saying anything for your vote and you eat it up. he democratic party says that they are for the little people yea keeping them little. They help you with all kinds of sociall programs just enough to keep them happy and uneducated and blame it all on the wealthy. the wealthy are a mixed bunch of people who were not afraid of hard work or let obsitcals get in their way. They find ways for themselves to get ahead true not always justly but their are to many people who get walthy every day for all of them to be bad, socieity would not allow it.

I know people from every race color and creed who believe in the streets are paved with gold saying. They saw what they wanted and went for it. Those of us who live from paycheck to paycheck have knowone to blame but ourselves. I am living the life I live from the choices I made. Don't be fooled when they tell you they are on your side they want to take away your rights little by little untill the government has total say over how you as an american should act and feel.

So next time you here some poliician giving you lip service ask them what is in it for them I have and they don't have any aswers except we care about you. When you think about it the only opnes calling for the navys removal from vieques are people who like their names in the paper or politicians with a high hispanic populace, why should you believe them. i heard one puts here saying over one hundred sentores are for the removal of the navy from Vieqes they are only one hundred senators and the ones i saw on c-span were not for the removal of the navy.
Sio you go right on listening to Hillary she screwed her law partners and she will screw you.


Ronald

[triptico]

Ronald,
It is obvious to me that you have a problem with socialism. And listen if you are a believer in the free enterprise system well more power to you.
But, do not pass your judgement over all the nations of the world.
Haven't you notice that capitalism does not seem to work for every country.(ie south america in general).
Every south american country follows one form of capitalism or other, where are the results? so based on your all knowing wisdom, if the system is not working, then it must be that the people are a bunch of lazies without a care.
I don't know how much of the world you have seen, but i have to tell you that what these eyes have seen would make many cry.
So i guess that all those poor campesinos in south america and other parts of the world that don't even live paycheck to paycheck are nothing but a bunch of crybabies, that about right?
Those same people that every time they try to stand up and fight for what is nothing but raw human rights end up dead, piled up and decked away.
What? Is that justifiable? Is that another version of hard work, just trying to get ahead type of thing?
Ronald, thousands have died unjustly only because the U.S. feels that their interests might suffer. Can you belive that?! Interests! How has the free enterprise system changed nicaragua, colombia, El salvador, Guatemala,Chile,Uruguay, Bolivia Etc...Each and every one of those nations has at one point or another been a victim of the U.S.' interest protection plan.
Why is world poverty at its highest? lack of hustle?
Ronald before you generalize, open your eyes the world is not limited to north america alone.
Leonel uribe.

[Ronald]

Conciencia

I do ejoy our banter. The problem with socialism is that it has to be paid for and human nature is the more you give the more they want. I remmember years ago when I was living in Colorado Gov Dick Lamb and his wife had gone to the super market with the alotmnt of food stamps for a family their size. There had been much complaining that people couldn't live on such small amounts. So he shopped and bought food for the whole family for one month, he and his wife agreed that this was not only plenty but nurishing and healthy. The reports in the papers and protests of whomever was complaining in the first place were saying ya but look at the what they bought generic this and that bulk rice beans not in a can ( I think they are called dry) etc...
Excuse me but as you had said there are many people who would cherrish the fact of eating once a day. If you want to eat steak you work for it and I'm sure that a frugile shopper could manage a nice steak dinner once in awile.
To many people don't want to play by the rules they take and instead of being grateful they complain they want more.
Look at public housing it used to be if you didn't maintain your property you were evicted now the people running them are in it for profit and don't do maintanance or some jury rigged way to stop a leak or repair some apliance, so why should the ocupants take time to maintain them when the government doesn't, if you leave to much for the government nothing gets done they waist time energy and resorces on things that will be better left alone.
I do agree that there are people that definitly need some assistance I am not near wise enough to say this person yes and this person no and neither are most people working in social offices.
I have a friend who had gotten married right out of high school had a daughter and six years latter divorced with no skills and n exhusband who contributed little to no money for he raising of his child. She applied ang recieved federal assistance and went after a degree three years in they told her she now need to get off the welfare roll how stupid is that at least help her finnish so she can get a good job pay taxes and help support some other needy person.
As good as they sound social programs run by idiots don't work. There is always some politician whos nephew or cousin needs a job so they give him one screwing around in something they now nothing about.

As I see it what we need to to is decide what our priorities are. Don't you think that teachers should be amongst the highest paid after all they are responsible for the development of our youth. Shouldn't our best and brightest be teaching granted there are a few but way to few
A person inttrested in teaching looks at the pay scale and says how am I going to pay my bills then gets a job for more money. Our schools have been cut to the bone there is no money for the arts sports buildings books and God knows what else. As so many seem to think lets give everybody a little and what happends is nobody really gets anything. Hell when I went to school you wore new clothes and you were given a pad a penciland your books the latter to be turnd in in good condition at the end of the school year.
What happend a few decided not to play so we all pay for it. This **** just keeps going and going. In my opinion the social programs have not help but made things worse for everythin needs to be paid for. Things need to thought out farther ahead than one move at a time doing that is the fastest way into checkmate and believe me my friend that is were we are heading.


I apologize for the disary of this oration but I have very stong feelings on the matter, as you and I have discussed before I am completely nutral to the fact of Independance or statehood for PR Just make sure the boat floats before setting sail.


Looking forward to your reply
Ronald

[Erik_]

Back to the topic at hand........Politicians are Politicians are Politicians.

Most will say and do anything to get the votes they need to win, after all thats how they keep there jobs.

Wait a minute.....isnt Sila a Politician too...hmmm...nah she's too nice a person to say anything to win votes......

The key to winning elections is to tell a large, tired, hardworking group, what they want to hear at their most desperate hour. Even if somewhere in the elector's brain they now they(the candidates)are just saying that for their own interests. The electors dont care that much for that. They just care that somebody is finally saying or talking about an issue important to their hearts, that their voice is being heard through the mouth of a candidate.

That my friends is the sad truth of 'The Elector's Denial'
and its not the river in Egypt folks.

[conciencia]

Civil wars or revolution will not fit in these categories.

We are looking for an educational revolution, the "civil war" is merely an ilusion whereas the battle takes place in the idividual mind in that the winner is the one who convinces the vicious cycle train of thoughts and impulses the people to chose the truth.