To Suki.......

[Patria_y_LaPava]

This is a thread to show what is really going on between Eddier1 and I so that he cant devilishly persuade you other wise without facts which I will show you right now! Please enjoy....

Quote from Eddier1's post to you in the thread with the picture parodies of the regulars in this forum, which I stated was a joke!

Originally posted by Eddier1

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Suki;

Thanks lots for telling me about your Mom; so now I know you are a Puertorriquena. Secondly, let me say that I believe that no one person in this world, past, present, or future can be perfect. We all make our mistakes, but not all of us are willing to correct them. Now, hombre-c has type cast me as a POL POT and/or a Mao tse Tung, but both he and El Jib are wrong on both counts in that POL POT was a better man than both of them put together can ever be. BECAUSE, HE CORRECTED HIS MISTAKES, HONESTLY ADMITTING THAT HE WENT TOO FAR IN HIS ZEAL FOR THE COMMUNIST REVOLUTION IN CAMBODIA AND THAT HE HAD KILLED TOO MANY OF HIS FELLOW CAMBODIANS. HE REALIZED THAT MANY COULD HAVE EVENTUALLY BEEN WON OVER TO THE CAUSE IF GIVEN A CHANCE. MOREOVER, HE SUBMITTED HIMSELF TO THE JUSTICE OF THE REVOLUTIONARY TRIBUNAL WHICH HE HIMSELF HAD FORMED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE REVOLUTION AND WAS WILLING TO PAY THE PENALTY EVEN UNTO TO DEATH IF THAT WAS THE JUDGEMENT OF THE TRIBUNAL. INSTEAD, HE RECEIVED A SENTENCE THAT TOOK AWAY HIS COMMANDANT STATUS, AND WAS GIVEN A HOUSE ARREST SENTENCE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. HE WOULD HAVE GONE TO A REGULAR PRISON CAMP, BUT THE FACT THAT HE WAS IN POOR HEALTH AND AN ADVANCED AGE DETERMINED HOUSE ARREST TO BE JUST IN HIS CASE.
NOW, THIS WAS A TRUE COMMUNIST MAN, ONE WILLING TO ADMIT TO ANY ERRORS HE MADE AND WILLING TO BE REHABILITATED OR SENTENCED TO DEATH IF NECESSARY. Can we say the same about EL Jib or Hombre-Cuidad, both of whom never admit to making mistakes, and always want to have the last word, no matter how low down or vile they have to become to do it? You know Suki, the first time on this forum that I wrote a post that even mentioned Hombre-c was when discussing political affiliations, it came to me to ask the person I was replying to if he knew what aka Hombre-cuidad's political affiliations were. You know what, I received from aka H-c one of the nastiest attacks I have ever experienced on the internet. He said I had no business on this Political forum to even mention his name, since I was not invited by him to address his person in any way. Good Gosh! it was only a question as to what his political status or affiliation was! I replied to his nasty post, in a rational and civil manner explaining that it was only a question...a question..not a criticism of any kind. You know inquiring minds want to know and therefore I inquired. Well, then began coming from him attack after attack, and I even asked why?, he was attacking me and calling me names and saying vile things simply because I had asked a question. Finally, I gave up trying to reach him for an answer, which he never gave, and told conciencia in Spanish that I was through with Hombre-cuidad for very good reasons and civic reasons. And that it was my intention to simply ignore him in the future. Well now then came his attack after attack against a socialist gov't for PR with definite threats to destroy all communists there. I ignored this line of his for many months, but finally when he came out identifying me with photos of historical figures like POL POT and MAO TSE TUNG I had enough and went after him, which brings us to this very post. Now, this is the truth that I write you, and I am not a revolutionary of words only, but actions too. Many in Latin America, and other parts of the world. In fact, when the Vieques problem came out as the latest breaking news I was in semi-retirement, yep sitting around a table with my old "commie" friends talking about our old times together, all this over a few drinks, and all of it very enjoyable too. But I shook myself up, and came back to active service over the Vieques problem. And so here I am now on the Internet, which years ago was only a pilot project for us.

I am optimistic that this will update you as to the questions confronting me under the present circumstances, and I am satisfied that I had the chance to communicate with you on this.

Regards Boricua,
EddieR, Patriot-Freedom Fighter

Here is my response to that and the real truth of the matter.

POL POT died never saying why he killed so many children and never admited that he killed so many children, but he said it was a mistake!

Also, it was a mistake to act that way to you in that post long, long ago, he was asking a question, but I just didnt like that he had asked someone else in what I believed in, didnt ask me, but someone else!

He must be a little rational, I didnt say the disgusting and vile things he said to me, in that post LONG LONG AGO post, but he started NOW with things like Pimping, and Narcotics trafficing! I only say things to him because he says it to me so I responded to his childish game, which was a mistake!

He is a BOLD FACED liar, that long ago post, I DID give an answer of my political affiliation and HE NEVER asked me why I was attacking him, except that he was ATTACKING me also!

Also, he has to GET OVER IT!!! I dont want a COMMUNIST government in Puerto Rico. I dont want it, and I never said I am going to destroy them now or destroy any of them but if they try to take-over the government AGAINST the will of the people and the WORLD!, then they should be stopped by anyone and under any circumstances, domestic or international. Dont you agree with me!?

This all started with El_Jibaro's (you have already been aquainted with him, so you understand) thread about Traitors, Patriots, and Sell-outs and he catagorized us, the regulars of the forum, in those three characteristics and I, along with you was characterized with the sell-outs because he said I would sell myself out to Communists to gain Independence! Obviously, you wouldnt either, and I certaintly wouldnt and I posted something about that long ago in a hypothetical type thread, I retrieved that quote from that thread and posted in El_Jibaro's thread. Here is the quote:

Originally posted by Patria_y_LaPava


I really dont feel commfortable in the way you put that, here is a different way of saying it.

Never shall I want a "pure" socialist state or communist one implamented to our nation because Communism is destruction of identity. It is an athiest manifestation, and Puerto Ricans are largely religious with Patron Saint festivals and the destruction of our economy. If I had to choose between communism and statehood in a referendum, I am sorry but I would choose statehood. (I dont think communism will be on the ballot. )

I wouldnt want statehood between regular good fun independence, because in statehood we wont be able to have great amount of self buisness, only American, like now and the downsizing of government along with no tax initives to attract more of that foregin buisness would leave hundreds and hundreds of thousands unemployed, all kinds of buisness would leave and we will be worse then ever before. Why fight for a lost cause when the people you will have to live and work with as a Union dont want you at all and even if you vote for it, the final power of decision is up to them if they even allow us to have a vote!

If a communist take over was to happen, which would never happen, after we gain independence, then I would fight along my fellow brothers and sisters to destroy any of that activity.

You can clearly see that I posted something hypothetical from this line:

Originally posted by Patria_y_LaPava
(I dont think communism will be on the ballot. )

Also, in my last words from that post I stated:

Originally posted by Patria_y_LaPava
If a communist take over was to happen, which would never happen, after we gain independence, then I would fight along my fellow brothers and sisters to destroy any of that activity.

Which obviously said that I would destroy any communist Take-Over! Well take-overs are done by force and Puerto Rico should be a democratic nation, dont you think? Anything that threatens our people and would have to be done by force must be against the will of the people who obviously most Puerto Ricans are not communists! Many socialists, but not hard-line far leftist communist.

Here was Eddier1's disgusting and biast response!

Originally posted by Eddier1


Folks! aka Hombre_Cuidad is another fascist who supports the "black shirt" version of the Nationalist Party of Albizu Campos. In the early days of the Nationalists, they paraded through the streets of Puerto Rico sporting black shirts that at that time were symbols of the facisti of Mussolini in Italy.

AKA Hombre_Cuidad's use of the word "Patria" means nothing less than what "the fatherland" meant in Italy and in Germany. It does not mean what we democratic socialists in Puerto Rico mean when we say LA MADRE PATRIA, WHICH ALL TRUE BORICUAS UNDERSTAND VERY WELL.

So bring it on Mr. Fascist from the Dominican Republic! We Boricuas have every intention of kicking your posterior back to that Island or to New York City, if you dare! And in the new Republic of our Island-Nation of Puerto Rico, you will be persona non grata; so don't even think about it! if you know what is good for you.

Regards Boricuas,
EddieR, Patriot and Freedom-Fighter

Dont you think, Suki, that this is something that seems a little too forceful. You clearly saw with your own eyes, my quote and word that werent directed towards Eddier1. Look at his, look at the threats, the racism of kicking back to my ancestrial homeland, the Dominican Republic if I dared to challenge Communist authority. You can also clearly see that Eddier1 used the word democratic socialists, but I used the word communist and pure socialism. You would know that even though these things are related, they are different in many ways! Like the word Democracy, which I want for Puerto Rico and a challenge to democracy in Puerto Rico will be another struggle for freedom, like the Independence struggle now! Dont you agree with me!? Pure socialism doesnt allow for self-enterprise which I want for Puerto Rico, but certain qualities of socialism, like the nationalization of certain buisness, not all, but certain, and socialized health care is something that would be much beter for the people of Puerto Rico, dont you think!? I am not socialist, I still believe that certain attributes can and does work!

All the other posts that I placed and he placed is unrelivent because it started with this, what I have provided for you, and it proves that I didnt start this disgusting back and forth game! Also, that long ago post that I reintroduced so that you can read and make your own judgment is something that was long ago and he only brought it up to know. Dont you think two people can solve eachother's problems towards eachother in a cival manner? For me, it is a forum for fun and education, which is why I bring some news articles here and post pictures, like this thread which I stated to all not to get mad! That is why ever since that incident between Eddier1 and I long, long ago I kept posting things to him in a cival manner, I dotn care what animostiy a person has against me or I have against them, this is a forum for discussion and I discuss things with people, but Eddie never discusses things with me because mostly I disagree with him because his views are different from mines. Like in your last post, it is ok to have different views with people, like I had against Communism, but you dotn have to respond in a disgusting manner, like Eddier1 did, which you can clearly see from those quotes! I am sorry if I caused Eddier1 any pain and anguish before, but he should of told me to stop, or ask why, or talked to me, my e-mail is always open to all unless I say otherwise, but he didnt and look what happened, but he clearly started it this time and in my opinion, last time also! I will continue to discuss things with him and post replies to his post no matter if he answers it or not, so that others can see my opinion and truth, which I always try to show.

So there it is FOLKS, the truth, which would of been out long ago if Eddier1, didnt come up with threats and pimping[/b] vile, look at my posts and his and you will see which one is more calmer and funnier, mines! Anyone on this forum will tell you that Eddier1 threatens and fights with all who disagree with him, he is "always" right no matter what. Go look at his posts to L_F_Miranda, Raulgr, Conciencia, El_Jibaro, and I!

You can also see the disrespect he shows through by posting my former name, which obviously I changed so that I wont be called that anymore, but kept in on my signature so people can know its is I who posted those other threads with different names, but it is disrespectful to call someone by a name they no longer contain, dont you think!?

I will no longer play this childish game with him, I have spoken my peace, he has spoken his, it is gone, finished, I will respond only if he responds to defend myself, but this Vile he likes to talk about is disgusting and isnt going to work. This is the end of it.[/i]

P.S.
Suki, I hope this doesnt seem obsessive but I really dont want falsities being spread around this forum, but to keep it nice and real. I really hope that all this evidence will show you my side of the story and I certaintly hope you do agree with me on this because you are a daer forum friend and I think you will because you have the facts infront of you, there right here and when they are all together and not just talked about without proof and I realize and show my mistakes and said I am sorry but the other side could of done better, then I have done my job! Thank you for hearing me out, peace, and stay real!

[Patria_y_LaPava]

Originally posted by Suki
I am glad that both of you have recognized how talking down to people is not only ineffective but causes people pain.
I almost wanted to abrazar both of you through the computer screen!

I see a dedicated, caring, intelligent man in Eddier1 who has been underappreciated and has felt again that rush of urgency and idealism for a just cause that he must have experienced earlier in his life.

And Pava, I see a strong, simpatico man with a clever mind, who wants only what is best for his beloved island, as we all do. Let us use this forum, to communicate with each other and learn from each other. Creating our own community of psychological as well as moral support. The actual situation of PR is a very complex, frustrating and difficult as hell!

Why waste our time tearing each other down instead of building each other up? You two might not think so but you have more in common than you think.

It's true that we are all imperfect, and we have our biases and prejudices. I am not talking to that El_Jib again, me cae mas pesado que un plomo. But if we can't agree, we can agree to disagree cordially.

I have to confess something:My husband is pressuring me to stop this internet talking he loves to have my complete attention. I have to go back to my writing. I want to finish my initial synopsis on a science fiction novel. I have a lot of artistic projects that I want to accomplish. The demand for my work as a translator has gone up, it's more money but more work and less time for leisure activities. The demands for my writing and my other projects have gone up. My husband has some excellent strategies for the future on how to leave the US without having to come back. I have a trip planned to study Mesoamerican ruins in Southern Mexico and Central America. I have Dadaji, a holy man from Bali that insists on my returning to daily meditation practice and being disciplined.

My mother wants me to drop everything and focus on Vieques. My tia was on the front page of some newspaper a couple of months back in PR in the front lines of the Vieques movement, now she is hiding out living in el monte en Vieques frustrating the navy. My mother wants me to help her spread the word on my free time.

My friends are plentiful and loyal, they are all clamoring for me to participate in their lives. You two for some reason I feel particularly close to. Pava because he makes me laugh hard, like my Papi did before he died. And Eddier1 because he reminds me of my mother's idealism.

I won't leave the forum permanently, there aren't that many PR's in this state. (In fact there are almost none)and I like talking to you. But I will have long periods of absences. Peace, Love... and Carino....Suki. (Suki is short for Azuquita) it is the nickname my grandmother used for me when I was a little girl. My aunt (the vieques one) is the only one that still calls me by that name. My true name is wild and poetic, no one ever believes it. But it is my legal name. Too bad I can't tell you what it is in such a public forum.

Sometimes I wonder why are there so many professionals on this forum. I see engineers, accountants, writers, and an anthropoligist! You are amazing, and also thank you for your support and your clear reply to my post. It is better that you dont take sides, but thank you for saying that I make you laugh, I enjoy making people laugh but I also enjoy being though of being strong politically. I can see you are a good person, like many on this forum even though I have back stabbed and ticked some of them off, lol.

Here is a deal, if you dont back stab be, slash my car tires, burn down my house and call my mama a bit*h, then I wont do it to you, ok, lol. But really you seem like a very good intelligent and like many on this forum, buisy! Do whats in your heart and mind for whatever you choose to do I am surely those who want you to different, if they really care for you will respect your decision and applaud and support you all the way!

As for this Eddier1 fellow, I will just not deal with him unless he wants to be ealed with like the same way between you and El_Jibaro.

Peace, and stay real.

[Suki]

I would never slash your tires, I'd probably drive you around in my 2000 Ford Taurus. I am a great cook, and don't back stab anybody, the only thing I would be stabbing is some grilled salmon steaks marinated in lime juice, white pepper, white wine,kosher salt and crushed garlic with achiote powder.

And your mother sure did a good job with you. You should see what I have had to go through with badly raised people (see CAN I SAY WHAT I FEEL ABOUT PUERTO RICO OR DO I HAVE TO LIE TO POST Thread, where I expound on my nightmare with spoiled brat badly raised drug addicted people.)

Its on page 2. Keep on keeping on Pava!

[Patria_y_LaPava]

Good, I dont like slashed tires, lol. Ofcourse you can cook, your Puertorriquena, were gifted people!

Ok I'll check out the thread.