We need more Statehooders..

[Guaili-Cayniabon]

Originally posted by PhiDaWg61
came from individuals such as:

Ismael Rivera
Raphy Leavitt
Larry Harlow
Ray Barretto
Roberto Roena
Bobby Valentin
Eddie Palmieri
Ismael Miranda
Ismael Quintana
Frankie Ruiz - wasted talent
Justo Betancourt
La Sonora Poncena

I can go on... :-) these characters are a little more lively than the ones you mentioned previously. I can go into detail of other individuals that I know of which include family members who were "blacklisted" years ago because of their views. In any case, I dont have to prove my heart to you or anyone just cause you feel your an "independentista de verdad." I suggest you seriously consider getting off the high horse for at least a while cause you facilitate the age old tactic of divide and conquer. Later, my friend> I have some pollo, arroz blanco con habichuelas blancas, ensalada, y tostones to attend to.

[i]Phidawg, you're an ignorant fool and a poor example of both man, a Puerto Rican, as well as an Independentista. Es_Vedra was simply trying to provide you with the knowledge and information that is pretty basic and simlpe and commonly known amongst not just Independentistas but Puerto Ricans in general. You are a low class uneducated sorry example of a Puerto Rican for someone who says their "Puerto Rican History Lessons" came from a list of Salseros. So ignorant indeed, at the very least if you new anything at all "for real" (because you don't know jack) you would have atleast said Plena y Bomba insted because atleast in the lyrics of this "true and original" Puerto Rican music they sing about the history of slavery and the Caña era and many other histroy's of Puerto Rico. To you being Puerto Rican is cooking rice and beans and just listening to salsa, sorry, but hopefully when you either grow up or finally educate your ignorant mind you will realize being Puerto Rican is more than wearing P.R. beads and waving around a flag and greeting "Independencia". And coming from someone as ignorant as you I don't know how you can call yourself an Independentista and proclaim Independence when you don't even know anything about it. How can you be for something truely and not know anything about it. That's like saying you love a woman and you don't even know her name. Wake up and stop dreaming of being something that you obviously just showed you're not. To hear a person say they learned their Puerto Rican History from salsa songs is one of the most outrageous and down right most ignorant things I've ever heard in my many years, furthermore it's also an insult to Puerto Rican culture and who we are as a people, why? To say that our history is so simple and short that one can just sit back turn the radio on listen to a couple of songs and then they'll know Puerto Rican history, no I'm sorry but for that reason you're more of an ignorant person than one can ever imagine, I mean you in stating those words have displayed an unprecidented amount of ignorance here at puertorico.com. I am a graduate of the University of Puerto Rico and studied for many years the History, Culture, and Heritage of Puerto Rico, and for one to say he learned his from salsa music is completely ubsurd. I bet you don't even know your history well on that either.

Basically it all comes down to a true everyday Statehooder would know who figures like Barbosa and Rossello are, a true Autonomist would know who Sila Maria Calderon is (I hope you have the inteligence atleast to know what an autonomist is for the very least who is the governer of Puerto Rico) and a true everyday Independentista would know who Maria de Lourdes Santiago is as well as Ruben Berrios and Juan Mari Bras.

In closing to go and state an ignorant comment such as you stated that that list of salseros is a more lively list than than the names Es_Vedra is just another example of your lack of inteligence. Those salsa singers are adored , yes, in my book, but were talking about individuals here that spent there money on luxuries for themselves, woman, and sadly alcohol and drugs, they did nothing much for the Puerto Rican population of Puerto Rico as Maria de Lourdes Santiago has done and is doing at this very momment fighting for the people of Piñones, I bet you dont even know where that is at, y despues tu te atreves bajar el respeto a alguien que quiso educarte de cosas que uno debe saber. Hasta estadistas como "EL_Jibaro" sabe quien es Maria, lamentablemente tu no.

No one here has a problem with someone not knowing something or wanting to learn something that what people like you come for, to be educated, atleast have the respect that there are people here who want to give you and provide you that knowledge and educacion. Leticia_g is a moderator and knows me very well here at puertorico.com and the cultural contributions I have made to this website. She knows from reading threads in openboard from everything from the taino to poetry I have tried to educate many Puerto Ricans here, I have know problem with that and with one wanting to learn, Leticia_g knows that of me. But when one brings this mentality of yours that Puerto Rican history can be learned from salsa songs, then you insult 2 female patriots, Maria by lowering her in comparison to salsa singers and saying their more (quote) "lively", if that's so then why are you even asking who she is if you don't feel she's lively. Then you go and call Es_Vedra "jerky", did she call you any names? NO, so why did you have to go and make a DIRECT INSULT TOWARDS her. She was just speaking on how she merely couldn't understand how someone couldn't know who that was, it baffled her becasue she is not familiar the lack of knowledge of Puerto Rican politics that in many cases occidental decendents of Puerto Ricans like you posses.

As a female she won't argue with you, like the majority of the female members here at puertorico.com, but I will and senior members like Suki, Yautiawoman, Leticia_g, and Conciencia all know that I will defend a woman here who is attacked by slime like you.

GROW UP AND/OR EDUCATE YOURSELF!!!

IGNORANCE IS A POISON AND KNOWLEDGE IS THE NOURISH!!!

[Guaili-Cayniabon]

Originally posted by PhiDaWg61
knowledge of our history, culture and people are very important, because only through knowledge are we able to defend our opinions in a well round manner.


No argument whatsoever.


Thats exactly what I am trying to do. But some uppity people here feel they can look down on their noses instead of educating someone. Instead of something intelligent to say, she had insults. What a fallacy! Knowledge has been replaced by insults here in this forum. Now that her feelings were hurt she wants to talk about shes a lady? Puhleese. If any of you have a program that deciphers user code that tracks male or female gender, let me get a copy!

The only dumb question is one that isnt asked. Will I apologize for not being born in PR? NO! Will I apologize for not responding in spanish? NO! Will I apologize for being a neophyte is island politics? NO! As for being a "callejero"... don't make me laugh. Come with a better one...

Once again the question remains:

Why is Maria Lourdes de Santiago such a hot ticket? Will I be answered with insults or what? Or am I wasting my time here at PuertoRico.com?

[i]The only fallacy here is you Phidawg, everything was just fine and well until you came with your ignorance here. You are the only between Es_Vedra and yourself who through a DIRECT INSULT, she called you no names, you called her a name. You've displayed no inteligence here, for the least atleast she was trying to give the history and stated some important things you should know, you on the other hand are still not to have displayed any form of intelectual inteligence that is derived from something other than salsa songs. You insult her, then I will insult you.

For the third time Phidawg you fool it's "MARÍA DE LOURDES SANTIAGO"
not María Lourdes de Santigo



[Edited by Guaili-Cayniabon on 26th February 2002 at 21:13]

[Guaili-Cayniabon]

Originally posted by PhiDaWg61
My Puerto Rican history lessons came from individuals such as:

Ismael Rivera
Raphy Leavitt
Larry Harlow
Ray Barretto
Roberto Roena
Bobby Valentin
Eddie Palmieri
Ismael Miranda
Ismael Quintana
Frankie Ruiz - wasted talent
Justo Betancourt
La Sonora Poncena

I can go on... :-) these characters are a little more lively than the ones you mentioned previously...

[i]Are you serious Phidawg? ja ja ja ja ja

[Es_Vedra]

Originally posted by Leticia_g
I have to agree with Es_vedra in the sense that knowledge of our history, culture and people are very important, because only through knowledge are we able to defend our opinions in a well round manner.

Sí Leticia_g, la sabiduría de nuestra cultura e historia es bien importante y mas, como Independentista es una cosa que empeño instruir a la juventud hoy en día y a los mal educados.

Mucha insistencia fue necesaria para que hoy la imagen de figuras tal como Betances nos reciba en la Facultad de Ciencias Sociales, porque rescatar la memoria de nuestros grandes hombres y mujeres ha sido una tarea vergonzosamente rehuida por las autoridades gubernamentales en Puerto Rico. O quizás sea imprecisa esa aseveración: la tarea que aun cuesta a muchos y a muchas es la de reconocer como corresponde a quienes han hecho de la lucha por la independencia la razón de su vida. La causa que a George Washington y a Simón Bolívar les ha merecido monumentos es la lápida que se planta para oscurecer el recuerdo de los próceres de la independencia de Puerto Rico.

Quedó atrás el legado muñocista de la Mordaza. El Tribunal Supremo proscribió la abominable práctica del carpeteo. Y hasta el FBI confiesa sus pecados de persecución contra independentistas —aunque confesión no signifique arrepentimiento. Aún así, muy por lo bajo, sigue reptando como una sombra ese temor callado y terrible a contribuir al reconocimiento visible de los que llevan como galardón principal la lucha contra el régimen de subordinación política de nuestro país. No sólo es injusta esa negativa –sea orquestación conciente o reflejo involuntario de la mentalidad colonial. Es contraria al orgullo por la puertorriqueñidad que tan conveniente resulta a muchos proclamar a los cuatro vientos. Si nuestra historia no es otra cosa que el camino recorrido hasta llegar a ser lo que hoy somos, debe ser la consecuencia natural de ese orgullo no excluir a conveniencia a forjadores de nuestra identidad, por el solo hecho de que la presencia de su figura en los espacios públicos recuerde a todos que la soberanía e independencia -el gran proyecto de los pueblos que se precian de sí mismos -está inconcluso en Puerto Rico.

Esa resistencia al recordatorio de que hay una causa que en el resto del planeta se atesora y que se llama "libertad", encuentra su eco más pernicioso en nuestro sistema de educación pública. El reducido espacio asignado para el estudio de nuestra historia y cultura, y la limitación de recursos con que batalla cada día el personal docente, se confabulan para ocultar a los más jóvenes la gesta de muchos de nuestros patriotas. Esta, subrayo, no es una falta contra el independentismo. Es escatimarle a un pueblo entero la posibilidad de conocer a quienes encarnaron valores universales de dignidad, igualdad y solidaridad. Es negarle la satisfacción de reconocer un poco de ellos mismos, como frutos de la misma nación, en las figuras que han sido no sólo luces de esta patria, sino faros de toda América. El orgullo y la vergüenza se confunden cuando vemos que el lugar privilegiado que aquí se le niega a Betances, Albizu, Hostos, Ruiz Belvis o Ruiz Rivera, con generosidad se les reserva en las Antillas hermanas y el resto de Latinoamérica. Fue ante la tumba de Hostos, cuyos restos reposan en el Panteón Nacional en Santo Domingo, que sentenció el patriota dominicano Federico Hernández y Carvajal: "¡Oh América infeliz, que sólo sabes de tus grandes vivos cuando ya son tus grandes muertos!". Más grande aún la infelicidad nuestra en Puerto Rico, cuando ni la muerte abre el portal que nos permita ver en los nuestros toda su grandeza. Estos son pensamientos que comparto con mi panita María De Lourdes Santiago, con mis socios y familiares. Me alegra mucho que haya otra persona aqu en Puerto Rico punto com como tu Leticia_g. Mucho gusto en conocerte.

Saludos cordiales,

Vedra

[PhiDaWg61]

Peace... later man. This will be my last post.

[Es_Vedra]

Originally posted by Camano
Phida we are aware that many people do not understand
the accumulation of colonialism, colonialism and independence. Camarada Vedra was mentioning the realities
of the colony and this can create many responses. Imagine
to live in your own nation and waving the flag of the nation, to be persecuted, or to wacth your back. The intelligence of Amerikkka is more advanced. The United Stadian does not need to use the same resources as the colony does, eventhought they have. Insulting a camarada
"esta fuera de orden".

I once called the radio station because there was somebody of la FANIA. I told him thanks to them our cultural self-esteem is high. My point is that the foundation of our realities is based on the government, their sacrifices,
and courage. Why did we have the U.S. passport if we did not vote on it? The institutions that conditioned our people or us are a important factor of who we are.
Camarada Vedra Welcome! Vedra- Our evolution can be slow on certain things and fast on others, please understand our
evolution.


[Edited by Camano on 26th February 2002 at 16:35]

Así mismito es mi camará -"fuera de orden". No esperes que ese tipo se ponga caballero como tu y Guaili. La verdad es que de la ignorancia uno no se puede esperar mucho. Gracias a Dios que hay intelectuales como tu, como Guaili y Leticia_g aquí que tienen inteligencia, que espero debatir con ustedes sobre muchas cosas en el futuro. Yo no soy una persona de tanto hablar, a mi me enseñaron diferente (y a ti también Guaili así que no pierdas tiempo con este brincapartidos, no vale la pena) me enseñaron que con media palabra basta. Ahora que todos han dicho lo que tenían que decir, se ve quien tiene sabiduría e inteligencia y quien no. Como dice el refran "Hablar bien, descanso de quijá" Aunque sea yo una mujer, no me echo pa'tras pero al mismo tiempo hay que recordar que uno no se puede descutir con un tipo mal educado de clavo pasao' porque "él que nace para barrigón, aunque lo fajen, barrigón se queda" ¿Ves? le puede decir de todo y no importa, siguen así. Así que, que no le haga mucho caso a él, que eso es lo que quiere ¿Ves como él empezó un tema para atraer hasta la atención de los anexionistas? Le hace falta la atención en su vida y por eso está tan amargao' ¡jí jí jí! Hay que reirse. Cuando yo leí las cosas ignorantes que el tipo escibió que son una demuestra de su ignoracia total, lo que hice fue reírme. Te juro que no me enfogoné o sea que no me puse emocional. Ni un chin. Ya... me tengo que ir. ¡Bye!

Saludos cordiales,

Vedra

[yautiawoman2]

[quote]Originally posted by PhiDaWg61
[b]came from individuals such as:

Ismael Rivera
Raphy Leavitt
Larry Harlow
Ray Barretto
Roberto Roena
Bobby Valentin
Eddie Palmieri
Ismael Miranda
Ismael Quintana
Frankie Ruiz - wasted talent
Justo Betancourt
La Sonora Poncena
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I can go on... :-) these characters are a little more lively than the ones you mentioned previously. I can go into details about salseros, son buena gente and I have a few of my favorites, que tal de Gilberto Monroig "...que estoy en Puerto Rico" cuando escucho su voz. Y su hijo es un nene chulisimo. Pero, mija/mijo, si es cosa de salseros, a mi no me "cojes" porque prefiero hablar de la politica de los estadistas de velda! De un Romero Barcelo, un gran ogro, asesino, que pol unos pocos chavos tuvo que asesinar unos jovenes inocentes. Como? Que no lo crees? Pueh, mira yo soy de esas que tengo que ir a cosinar unas habichuelas rosadas, (rositas) o marca diablo con arroz blanco y que no daria yo por un par de tostones hechos de unos platanitos de mi campo, pero, olvidalo, si soy de los independentistas que estamos en gringolandia, y si quieres "posteame" de porque estoy aqui y no alla, y te tiro un rollo, de pelicula! Pero mira mija/mijo, eso de habichuelas blancas con arroj blanco, como que no pega, eso no es cosa de morros ni de cristianos, si te estas preparando para eso de "all white food" entonces acostumbrate a "mash potatoes, white gravy, white bread and turkey" porque eso fue lo que trajo el balco!

Pero, no quiero dehpihtalme! Mira mijo/mija, lo que pasa es que segun dicen las malas lenguas pol ahi, Romero Barcelo estaba muy celoso porque y que toh loh paises de America Central tenian escuadrones de la muerte y el no tenia ningunos. Entonces se le occurio pedir asistencia tecnica al FBI y le dijeron pueh, mijo, asesina a par de independentistas y acusalos de terroristas y hablamos con el prez de EEUU (en ese tiempo el democrata Jimmy Carter) que te mande un poco de chavoh pa que folmes unos escuadroncistos que se dediquen a dale la mano a alfa 66, aqui en la isla. Y luego lo que paso eh que le coltaron los fondos a los escuadroncitos de la muelte y tuvieron que dedicarse a ser delinquentes comunes dedicados a vendel drogas, robal, y traficar con armas (y con almas tambien). Entonces Pasalacua dice que cuando te den un atraco y te tiren al piso que le chequees los zapatos pa vel si son del PNP o son los policias que le cortaron los fonditos de los escuadrones de la muerte que monto Romero Barcelo, Que tu crees? No, velda?

No es cosa que investigue, aqui solo te lo paso como me lo pasaron, mejor dicho como se vio en las vistas de Cerro Maravilla, o es que no te importa, o no sabes lo de Cerro Maravilla?

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