We need more Statehooders..

[Guaili-Cayniabon]

Originally posted by yautiawoman2

Originally posted by PhiDaWg61
Re: my Puerto Rican history lessonscame from individuals such as:

Ismael Rivera
Raphy Leavitt
Larry Harlow
Ray Barretto
Roberto Roena
Bobby Valentin
Eddie Palmieri
Ismael Miranda
Ismael Quintana
Frankie Ruiz - wasted talent
Justo Betancourt
La Sonora Poncena


I can go on... :-) these characters are a little more lively than the ones you mentioned previously. I can go into details about salseros, son buena gente and I have a few of my favorites,


Originally posted by Yautiawoman2
que tal de Gilberto Monroig "...que estoy en Puerto Rico" cuando escucho su voz. Y su hijo es un nene chulisimo. Pero, mija/mijo, si es cosa de salseros, a mi no me "cojes" porque prefiero hablar de la politica de los estadistas de velda! De un Romero Barcelo, un gran ogro, asesino, que pol unos pocos chavos tuvo que asesinar unos jovenes inocentes. Como? Que no lo crees? Pueh, mira yo soy de esas que tengo que ir a cosinar unas habichuelas rosadas, (rositas) o marca diablo con arroz blanco y que no daria yo por un par de tostones hechos de unos platanitos de mi campo, pero, olvidalo, si soy de los independentistas que estamos en gringolandia, y si quieres "posteame" de porque estoy aqui y no alla, y te tiro un rollo, de pelicula! Pero mira mija/mijo, eso de habichuelas blancas con arroj blanco, como que no pega, eso no es cosa de morros ni de cristianos, si te estas preparando para eso de "all white food" entonces acostumbrate a "mash potatoes, white gravy, white bread and turkey" porque eso fue lo que trajo el balco!

Pero, no quiero dehpihtalme! Mira mijo/mija, lo que pasa es que segun dicen las malas lenguas pol ahi, Romero Barcelo estaba muy celoso porque y que toh loh paises de America Central tenian escuadrones de la muerte y el no tenia ningunos. Entonces se le occurio pedir asistencia tecnica al FBI y le dijeron pueh, mijo, asesina a par de independentistas y acusalos de terroristas y hablamos con el prez de EEUU (en ese tiempo el democrata Jimmy Carter) que te mande un poco de chavoh pa que folmes unos escuadroncistos que se dediquen a dale la mano a alfa 66, aqui en la isla. Y luego lo que paso eh que le coltaron los fondos a los escuadroncitos de la muelte y tuvieron que dedicarse a ser delinquentes comunes dedicados a vendel drogas, robal, y traficar con armas (y con almas tambien). Entonces Pasalacua dice que cuando te den un atraco y te tiren al piso que le chequees los zapatos pa vel si son del PNP o son los policias que le cortaron los fonditos de los escuadrones de la muerte que monto Romero Barcelo, Que tu crees? No, velda?

No es cosa que investigue, aqui solo te lo paso como me lo pasaron, mejor dicho como se vio en las vistas de Cerro Maravilla, o es que no te importa, o no sabes lo de Cerro Maravilla?

HASTA LA VICTORIA SIEMPRE

yautia

[i]Saludos mi camarada:

What you originally posted wasn't readable so I fixed it for you and reposted it. Very interesting the subject on alfa 66. That whole area with COINTELPRO and all that, the infiltrators and all, I find very interesing. Now a days my ideals are more slanted towards socialism and the "pique" I have against imperialism. Though in my beginings I will admit that I ran with certain groups that were considered "medio clandestino" (pero no eran) -they just wanted to have a reason to crush the movements becasue they were pro-independence with very social idealogies that at that time and often in many cases still today are still looked down upon and are considered too left wing for many. The prosecution that the Independence movement underwent was very unjustifiable and in many cases still today in some ways or another it is still prosecuted. Times have changed much since then but the minds in which are against the indepedence movement still work against us in many shapes, forms and ways, always puting a new obstacle of the Independence movement. One of the ironies of them all is not just that after more than a century Puerto Rico remains a colony but rather it has resisted becoming assimilated with the U.S. Well as said HASTA LA VICTORIA SIEMPRE, people like us will continue the fight until Puerto Rico is free and obtains its total independence.

PATRIA O MUERTE,

Guaili

[Guaili-Cayniabon]

Originally posted by Es_Vedra
Así mismito es mi camará -"fuera de orden". No esperes que ese tipo se ponga caballero como tu y Guaili. La verdad es que de la ignorancia uno no se puede esperar mucho. Gracias a Dios que hay intelectuales como tu, como Guaili y Leticia_g aquí que tienen inteligencia, que espero debatir con ustedes sobre muchas cosas en el futuro. Yo no soy una persona de tanto hablar, a mi me enseñaron diferente (y a ti también Guaili así que no pierdas tiempo con este brincapartidos, no vale la pena) me enseñaron que con media palabra basta. Ahora que todos han dicho lo que tenían que decir, se ve quien tiene sabiduría e inteligencia y quien no. Como dice el refran "Hablar bien, descanso de quijá" Aunque sea yo una mujer, no me echo pa'tras pero al mismo tiempo hay que recordar que uno no se puede descutir con un tipo mal educado de clavo pasao' porque "él que nace para barrigón, aunque lo fajen, barrigón se queda" ¿Ves? le puede decir de todo y no importa, siguen así. Así que, que no le haga mucho caso a él, que eso es lo que quiere ¿Ves como él empezó un tema para atraer hasta la atención de los anexionistas? Le hace falta la atención en su vida y por eso está tan amargao' ¡jí jí jí! Hay que reirse. Cuando yo leí las cosas ignorantes que el tipo escibió que son una demuestra de su ignoracia total, lo que hice fue reírme. Te juro que no me enfogoné o sea que no me puse emocional. Ni un chin. Ya... me tengo que ir. ¡Bye!

Saludos cordiales,

Vedra

[i]Todo está bajo control mi cielo. Me alegra mucho que hayas venido al foro para platicar conmigo sobre la política. Te prometo que eso no va a pasar de nuevo en tu presencia mi prima. No voy a perder mas tiempo con ese malhablado, pues se fue ya o sea salió huyendo jí jí jí jí

Pues, me estaba riendo cuando leí tu postulado. Sí, claro sé que no te enfogonaste ni na', y es que me rio porque te conozco bien y me puse a imaginar como fue la expresión en tu cara. Siempre te ha gustado relajar de todo acerca de la ignorancia. Pues, ahora estamos andando juntos aquí, tu, yo y Camaño ¡Fiel a la Victoria! !Que viva la Revolución Antillana!

Cuidate mucho Vedra y que Dios te acompañe


~Recuerdos a todos mis socios

[conciencia]

Phil,

I know you are an Independentista, so what is the beef? Come on I think we have a language barrier going on. Lets set the record strait!

Please explain your terminology " people jerky", Explain if you may...I know you, I know your are learning and have a strong personality, but do not run, you see only Statehooters run, Estadolibristas are "JUMPERS" in a sleeping mode, can you define yourself?

We puertorricans here in the States are affected by the environment and political surrondings, so come on forward, we are all humans, we all make mistakes.

[Leticia_g]

Gracias por tus palabras, me alegro que hay mas gente aqui para educar y orientar los demas con la politica y cultura de nuestra Isla.

Es triste lo que el govierno de los Estados Unidos han echo contra nuestra causa. Conozco muchas familias en Puerto Rico que fueron perjudicadas por el tratamiento causado a los independentista. Muchos de mis compatriotas tuvieron que dejar la isla porque ni trabajo conseguian. Los que se quedaron perdieron mucho y tuvieron que encontrar otra manera de sostenerse. El odio fue intenso, la destruccion moral fue grave, por eso nuestras gentes tienen tanto terror a decir que desean la independencia de nuestra isla. Todavia los resultados se notan porque tantos fueron afectados.

Aca en los estados, hemos tratado de forjar nuestra opinion de cualquier manera que podamos. Estamos tratando de demostrarle mas a las gente que somos un grupo que en verdad queremos nuestra isla.

Tenemos que seguir educando nuestras gente y nuestros hijos. Es la unica manera que podremos sobrevivir esto.

Con respeto y amor boricua siempre!

[Guaili-Cayniabon]

Originally posted by conciencia
Phil,

I know you are an Independentista, so what is the beef? Come on I think we have a language barrier going on. Lets set the record strait!

Please explain your terminology " people jerky", Explain if you may...I know you, I know your are learning and have a strong personality, but do not run, you see only Statehooters run, Estadolibristas are "JUMPERS" in a sleeping mode, can you define yourself?

We puertorricans here in the States are affected by the environment and political surrondings, so come on forward, we are all humans, we all make mistakes.

[i]Saludos Conciencia:

I understand where you are coming from and the point of view you're trying to address, but from what I see this individual is a lost cause. Believe me, I don't say this just throwing words in the wind without measuring them, what I've been through in life, what I've lived experienced and survived, believe me, I wouldn't be here right now if I wasn't a person of sharp judgement. I come from a family which consists of many members who have been persecuted for being Independentistas for 4 generations, since the very begining. I have addressed political forums in both Puerto Rico and the states in which have targeted people who are either youths or people who are older who want to get involved with the cause. I have come across a string of individuals, of which for example weren't even knowledgeable on common things like "What's the capital of Puerto Rico?" I'm serious, cases that sad but which are realities. Fine, let's say and give the famous "Nuyorican" argument of the "language barrier" and the "residency barrier", okey fine, but Conciencia, one doesn't have to speak spanish and live in Puerto Rico to atleast have respect. Even the incedent that happend with "Pava", he atleast after being toned down and admited he was wrong and cleaned his account with those he disrespected before he left. When you do things that way, you ensure yourself that you may one day return to that same place and be envited with open arms provided you DON'T make the same mistakes twice with the same people. But when you leave behind a dirty unpaid account, you ensure yourself closed doors forever. In the case of this individual (Phidawg61) he disrespected in a very rude and low-class manner to a female patriot which in my book, and I believe yours because we were once side by side on this forum defending "Suki" and her mother "Yautia" when "Pava" had disrespect towards them. "Es_Vedra" is my cousin, she is like a sister to me. As people here know, if you respect me, I'll respect you back, but if you disrespect me and don't give me the same respect that I give you and demand in return, then I will disrespect you back, sometimes even worse. After all, if someone strikes you with a blow, and doesn't do much damage, what do you do? Do you only hit them back with a blow that is equal to that of which they delivered to you, so that they may be provided what may be an opportunity to retaliate, or do you return with an attack so devastating that they will not be left even the oportunity to even think about it again? I don't know, maybe I was taught diferent, but that's the way I think and that's my personal physcology behind things, I'm not sayig the world must think like me, rather if you decide to deny diplomacy and you result to other means, then just be ready for what you wished for at all costs, in the sense "Es una cosa llamar al diablo y otra verlo venir". I made a defense in "Es_Vedra's" name and at her request ceased fire, she and "Leticia_g" and "Camano" then began descusion and put the issue to the side of this little "TITERE" (Phidawg) and then this is was he had to say below...

Originally posted by PhiDaWg61
intelectual masturbaturs stick together

Is this the kind of person and mind you support and want involved in the Independence movement? A movement in which every decision and "JUDGEMENT" we make will "RISK" and "DETERMINE" the outcome of if we continue to advance in the words of HASTA LA VICTORIA SIEMPRE or not. To much is at stake to trust and give the faith of the limbo of our nation and it's people to let it be held in the hands of individuals such as this "Phidawg". First off, he began this very thread with the words "just for $hits and giggles", is that what the issues of our country mean to him? "$hits and giggles"? NO, NO, I'm sorry. There are many Independentistas that come from places such as "Llorens Torres", "La Perla", "El Fanguito", "Barrio Tokio", "Las Palmas", "Monte Hatillo", "Piñones" and other places as such that you would think people would act the way and speak the way this guy Phidawg does, and they don't and they show way much more respect then this guy will ever come to learn the definition of. I mean, after varifyingly knowing that "Es_Vedra" was a female even though he knew from the begging anyway, then furthermore in the presence of both her and another female "Leticia_g" he goes and uses filthy language and said that comment about "masturbation"... What kind of immature uneducated ignorant individual says something like that in front of woman, bad enough in front of an entire forum which is attended to by intelectuals and which we've had in recent times visitors here from "Argentina" and "Mexico" and a couple other places. This is the type of view you want them to see of us? It's bad enough because of individuals like him there is already a stereotype against many Puerto Ricans in the states, which then come to in the long run effect the international view of Puerto Ricans from the Island.

I believe he has shown disrespect against both woman, independence, Puerto Rican politics in a whole, Puerto Rico itself, the image of Puerto Ricans, and disrespected common human logic and inteligence and those who don't respect these things I don't respect. I'm usually a good judge of character, maybe I can be wrong, who knows? But I'm stating my reasons why I feel the way I do, so it's your take. You be the judge.

Atentamente,

Guaili

[Guaili-Cayniabon]

[i]P.S. -If he decides not do grow up and educate himself and stop being BRUTO and MALHABLADO y IGNORANTE, don't worry, he'll just coninue his (entre comillas) "Puerto Rican Educacion" through people like "Ismael Rivera" "Frankie Ruiz" "El Gran Combo" "Willie Bobo" "Cortijo" and "Richie Ray". Who knows? Maybe he might start learning even more (entre comillas) "Puerto Rican Educacion" from the recent growing music trend of "Reegeeton" y "Perreo". Instead of going to the library he could go to "Club Lazers" or "Arena" even "Club Egipto" or "Area 51" down the block from "Borinquen Bar & Brewery".

[conciencia]

Compatriota, I do understand your point and resolve. I do not understand his (Phil) approach, basically I am very surprised. I feel the same way you felt when “Patria” acted in such a sway that really “stung” you, remember? You were trying to understand his actions and even asked him to return and redeem him by acting responsively, remember?

Today I am in that position, can you feel me? I always thought of Phil as an Independentista in a learning and positive way. You have to admit that your cousin is limited in English and Phil is limited in Spanish, this brings the possibility for discord and misinformation as well as friction.

I am trying, and have been asking about the term “Jerky people”, thus far the only explanations I found feasible are these: “A hard headed person”, “A dried tasty person” “a flexible but not elastic palatable person” “ a strong headed” and “a opinioned person”

The terminology “ Intellectual Masturbator stick together” means, a group of intellectual persons that are excessively self absorbed or self-indulgent among themselves. The word “masturbator” was not used in a sexual sense, but he was describing what he felt about the vast knowledge you all displayed toward him.

I am not defending anybody, but looking for a common ground….walk with me brother! This is what Phil said:

no argument here
knowledge of our history, culture and people are very important, because only through knowledge are we able to defend our opinions in a well round manner.


No argument whatsoever.


Thats exactly what I am trying to do. But some uppity people here feel they can look down on their noses instead of educating someone. Instead of something intelligent to say, she had insults. What a fallacy! Knowledge has been replaced by insults here in this forum. Now that her feelings were hurt she wants to talk about shes a lady? Puhleese. If any of you have a program that deciphers user code that tracks male or female gender, let me get a copy!

The only dumb question is one that isnt asked. Will I apologize for not being born in PR? NO! Will I apologize for not responding in spanish? NO! Will I apologize for being a neophyte is island politics? NO! As for being a "callejero"... don't make me laugh. Come with a better one...

Once again the question remains:

Why is Maria Lourdes de Santiago such a hot ticket? Will I be answered with insults or what? Or am I wasting my time here at PuertoRico.com?
He is acknowledging the importance of knowledge, is not he? He is also sort of explaining or stating the fact that he had no idea your cousin was a female. Perhaps he would have acted or responded with more respect, do you not think so?
He took ,in my opinion, her responses toward him as an insult as well. He being a “city boy” I imagine with poor public education, but with the desire to improve himself, considered her as a rich, and well educated but arrogant person, not saying that was right, but in a forum, our writings can be misunderstood or taken out of context.
Although we are all Puertorricans we do have different environment and culture pollution that will create culture clashes and discord. Guaili, I hope you understand my position here. However this will be my last plead for Phil.
Phil, if I am wrong or right, please enter here and establish the record strait!