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Old 17th March 2002, 16:55
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Old 17th March 2002, 17:07
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Mi Amigo Ecuajey,

When I said "Rich" I meant it in a philosophical and in a materialistic way. Think about it, many poor people who can not afford housing in la isla del encanto, can live in residencias publica, los famosos "Caserios" or at least have the opportunity to get a piece of lot, "Parcelas". We help them with medical services and food (PAN). There isn't that many countries besides Canada and USA that help their citizens like this is there? In reference to enough jobs, well, how many of us want to work in the fields picking coffee? I remember back in the 80s, there wasn't enough workers to pick coffee on the island, so we brought Domincans to pick it and guess what? Many complained that why were we bringing in Domincans, you know..Damn if we do, damn if we don't. How many Boricuas have you seen selling helado de coquito in the streets of old San Juan? Many of our people want better jobs, with more pay. I have no problems with that, but you got to start somewhere right? The statement of not enough jobs for everyone, well that is the problem with overpopulation on a small island without natural resources, except for the copper up in the mountains, which incidentally we did not want to exploit due to environmental concerns. How many of us who finish a degree can actually work in the field of our degrees? We have over saturated the market in everything Puerto Rico; engineering, teachers, electronic technicians, etc., etc. The culture thing, I can agree, but where is there any evidence that there is a cultural take over by immigrants? As a matter fact in the 80s, We Boricuas put aside Salsa and other locally produce music for Merengue. We picked up Afro-Cuban, called "Latin Music" in the 60s after Cuban artist were not allowed to travel that much. Now Puerto Rican salsa is the best in the world.Our culture is strong and vibrant. I can attest to that because many Boricuas fight tooth and nail here in the states to preserve it. Now on respecting cultures, well again I agree, but what is good for the goose, its good for the gander. We Boricuas need to respect and tolerate other's cultures and traditions. I know about feelings and relationships between us and our Dominican Brothers and Sisters, I dated a Domincan women. We pick on each other, because we, and that is my opinion, need to feel superior to other groups.
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Old 17th March 2002, 17:34
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Think about it, many poor people who can not afford housing in la isla del encanto, can live in residencias publica, los famosos "Caserios" or at least have the opportunity to get a piece of lot, "Parcelas".
Yup, lets just send more people to the caserios. It was a good idea in the 50's, but now, it is a disaster. Drugs, crime, prostitution....etc concentrate mostly in those areas, and to try to make it better, we need to send national guardsmen to take down the drug-lords. jajajaja I think we need to do more then send people to the projects. Just my opinion.

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We help them with medical services and food (PAN). There isn't that many countries besides Canada and USA that help their citizens like this is there?
There are many countries in the world that help their people. Such as all of Scandinavia, Great Britain, France, Switzerland, Cuba, (Mostly in education and medicine.) Japan, the Netherlands...etc Many countries in the world have some kind of social welfare. Some are better then others, and Puerto Rico needs to do more then what it is currently doing. Dependence, instead of job creation, is not the answer.

Canada's medical care is far from perfect, just to let you know.


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In reference to enough jobs, well, how many of us want to work in the fields picking coffee? I remember back in the 80s, there wasn't enough workers to pick coffee on the island, so we brought Domincans to pick it and guess what? Many complained that why were we bringing in Domincans, you know..Damn if we do, damn if we don't. How many Boricuas have you seen selling helado de coquito in the streets of old San Juan? Many of our people want better jobs, with more pay. I have no problems with that, but you got to start somewhere right? The statement of not enough jobs for everyone, well that is the problem with overpopulation on a small island without natural resources, except for the copper up in the mountains, which incidentally we did not want to exploit due to environmental concerns. How many of us who finish a degree can actually work in the field of our degrees? We have over saturated the market in everything Puerto Rico; engineering, teachers, electronic technicians, etc., etc.
Very true, and exactly my point. What I wrote is what most Puerto Ricans on the island feel, which doesn't mean I believed it, or if it was the truth. Though, even the professional Puerto Ricans can't find jobs to suit their needs, and that is why there are people with PhD’s working at Wal-Mart. Though, overpopulation is the topping on the cake of why there are so little jobs, our out-dated colonial economic model is somewhat to blame.


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The culture thing, I can agree, but where is there any evidence that there is a cultural take over by immigrants?
I never said immigrants were ransacking our culture, but it is being affected by it. Not only Latin American immigrants, but immigrants from the mainland USA. Especially Américans, whose concern isn't really for the culture of PR, most of them don't even know much about PR or it's history or culture. They also bring imported ideals from the ghetto into PR. How did drugs become first introduced into PR? I'm not saying all foreigners coming into PR are like that, but the ones who are, having taken away from our people and culture.

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Our culture is strong and vibrant. I can attest to that because many Boricuas fight tooth and nail here in the states to preserve it.
Our culture is strong and vibrant, but that doesn't mean it can't succumb to foreign influence and other external changes. Boricuas in the states do fight to save it, but from my conversations with stateside teachers in the inner city, from their experiences, Puerto Ricans aside from the other Hispanic groups, know the least Spanish. They are fighting, but is anyone really noticing the rumble? I wish they did.
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Old 18th March 2002, 21:28
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Writing in a hurry, small gammatical errs can happen.
The issue of language should not be an issue for you.
Anyway the concepts that were articulated you did not respond to them.

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Dreams is what your ideal is why DID THE "GREAT FAMILY"
DENY STATEHOOD AFTER ALL THE MONEY THE PENE PE GAVE?
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