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Old 16th October 2002, 09:17
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Talking Boy, are you TOTALLY IGNORANT about the BIBLE, Muted-Voice...

[i]Yes, not only does the BIBLE forbid SEX WITH ANIMALS, but it also forbids HOMOSEXUAL RELATIONS:
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Leviticus 20:13
" 'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable.

Deuteronomy 23:18
You must not bring the earnings of a female prostitute or of a male prostitute into the house of the LORD your God to pay any vow, because the LORD your God detests them both.

Romans 1:27
In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

1 Corinthians 6:9,10[b]
9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexuals 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
I wonder who is the liar ...
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Old 16th October 2002, 10:39
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I don't wonder.. i know that you LIE..

i did not lie... i just asked a question. and you did answer

i am waiting for the rest of answers.

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Q: Did you read "Tahrirolvasyleh" your self.. or taking the quotes from another book?
Q: where in the book that mentions muslims are allowed to have sex with animal?
Q: Do you think that marriage at age of 20 suitable?
Q: Do you think it will remain suitable after 1000 year?
Q: IS BEING A MUSLIM FORBIDDEN IN BIBLE?
Q: IS BEING A MARXIST FORBIDDEN IN BIBLE?

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Old 16th October 2002, 13:17
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Talking Man, your heart is as hard as your head...

[i]I do not know if you have had sex with 9 year old girls (or desired to...), or if you have been sexually abused yourself by another man when you were a boy, but you have been avoiding ADMITTING to the Truth like if it was a hot potato.

1 - I have showed you that the BIBLE forbids Bestiality.

2 - I have also showed you that the BIBLE forbids HOMOSEXUAL sex acts.

3 - And I have said that I found the quoted FACTS on the PERMISSION to have sex with animals by the Ayatollah Khomeini at http://hraic.org/ . I do not read Persian, so asking me if I had personally read the book Khomeini wrote is like asking you if you had read LA RESACA in Spanish ...

4 - Now on MARRIAGE AGE, I am not GOD, but I am ABSOLUTELY SURE that marrying a 9 YEAR OLD GIRL was not ever part of HIS Plan for Humanity.

If I follow your dirty logic of marrying a girl as soon as she has her first menstrual period I would say, that would justify having sex with a girl that is 5 years old if she has her mentrual period at that exact moment... SICK !!!!!!!!

In fact, this exact logic could be used by any sick and greedy father to give his daughter away in marriage at 2 or 3 years of age by giving her some estrogen-progesterone pill to induce an early menstrual period.

You are SICK Voice, and maybe you don't know, or perhaps you don't want to ACKNOWLEDGE it . I must remind you that GOD is merciful with those who are accidentally ignorant, not with one who is DELIBERATELY IGNORANT.

5 - Now, on the BIBLE forbidding a person to be Muslim, let me remind you of a previous quote:
Quote:
John 3:16-21
JESUS
said:

16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have Eternal Life. For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him. He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil. For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. But he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God."
If to become a Muslim is to deny that JESUS is the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD, then clearly that is forbidden by the BIBLE.

6 - Now, about becoming a MARXIST, there is not an explicit prohibition in the BIBLE, but the foundation of MARXISM is MATERIALISTIC ATHEISM: therefore to become a MARXIST is TOTALLY contrary to the BIBLE
(LOGIC 101...)[b]
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Old 17th October 2002, 05:00
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It is Normal physiology. God created Girls so they start adulthood by age of 9 - 13. God let them be able to get pregnant. In ancent times humans get married early.. recent times they are more late.. all through the world

Q:NOW, what is the minimum age suitable for marriage?
Q:Justify your answer from the Bible.

3. So you read a quote transferred by suspecious source..
You could have read the Book in English.. doesn't have to be in Persian.. Look for it in English.. and read the quotes.. and see if your site was honest in transferring the quotes.

4. I talk about natural menses.. not disease, or induced conditions..
Q: Why you are so sure? is there any clear cut evidence of the intent of GOD.. i say that in Quran nothing forbids that... am not sure in HAdith.. and the problem of marriage at year 9 for Girls is not well agreed upon in the muslim scholars... but i argue your reasoning based on "harm", and base on "too young"// what is too young... and wwhat is not?>? try the first Question.

5 & 6... that's the response i want... and you answered yourself..
IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE MENTIONED CLEARLY, DIRECTLY TO BE FORBIDDEN.. but indirectly with logic 101..
so in Quran .. sex with animals is forbidden, becasue SEX outside merrage is absoulotly forbidden... and Marrage is allowed with only one, two, three , or four women,, and if one fears to do injustice by that he should marry ONE only. that's Quran.. so by Logic 101.. marrying men, or Animals.. is not allowed, hence sex with them is also not allowed. (LOGIC 101)
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Old 17th October 2002, 07:59
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Talking Now I know why I am not Muslim...

[i]ISLAM is a religion that justifies immoral practices ...

The BIBLE does not give an age for Marriage, but it doesn't need to. Common sense dictates that a girl younger than 12 or 13 is too young to be taking the responsabilities of a MARRIED WOMAN. Anyone going into a LEGAL UNION should have at least the FREE WILL and MORAL MATURITY of a Person in full use of his/her Moral Faculties. In FACT, here in the USA
(and Puerto Rico) for a man to have sex with a girl younger than 16 is TECHNICAL RAPE, enough to get you in JAIL.

In our Puerto Rican Culture a girl is not a woman until she is 15 years old.

In the American Culture a girl is not a woman until she is 16 years old.

Now, even though the BIBLE does not give an exact age for a WOMAN to be MARRIED, let me place here a HINT from the BIBLE:
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Song of Solomon 8:8,9

8 We have a young sister,
and her breasts are not yet grown.
What shall we do for our sister
for the day she is spoken for?
9 If she is a wall,
we will build towers of silver on her.
If she is a door,
we will enclose her with panels of cedar.
In other words, this FAMILY will keep the future bride of Solomon, the GIRL, under close supervision and protection from SEX until her BREASTS are fully formed. Though some women may not have fully formed breasts even when they are 25 years old, most healthy women do not get their breasts to be FULLY FORMED until they are about 15 years old (factor in health, climate, nutrition, and heredity...).

Therefore, the NATURAL LAWS MADE BY GOD show that Marriage should not be placed upon a girl until she is at least 15 YEARS.
Ancient Christian oral traditions say Mary's MARRIAGE to Joseph when she was 16 years old, and even then she did not have sex with Joseph until at least JESUS was born, since HE was her FIRSTBORN child - Luke 2:7.

Now, our CHRISTIAN Society usually does not marries girls until they are 18 years old and graduated from HIGH SCHOOL. This custom is not written in the BIBLE, but it is certainly MORE CIVILIZED than your Muslim Practices ...

Post Scriptum:

The Ayatollah Khomeini was a dirty man to me, and everything he wrote would be dirty to me, and I don't read Pornography, so even if Khomeini's book was translated from Farsi into English, I would not read it . The ball is in your court to PROVE that he did not write the quotes taken directly from his book .[b]
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Old 17th October 2002, 14:13
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So Bible allows Sex with a 15 year old CHILD !!!!! which by US law is considered RAPE.

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Therefore, the NATURAL LAWS MADE BY GOD show that Marriage should not be placed upon a girl until she is at least 15 YEARS
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In FACT, here in the USA (and Puerto Rico) for a man to have sex with a girl younger than 16 is TECHNICAL RAPE, enough to get you in JAIL.

(logic 101 by Dr.Jibaro) -> Bible allows RAPE




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In our Puerto Rican Culture a girl is not a woman until she is 15 years old.

In the American Culture a girl is not a woman until she is 16 years old.
in todays muslim world, age is usually 18 -25.

it depends on the complexity of the civilization.. people who do not have formal education.. and no complex life stile.. like a tribe somewhere in Amazon.. or Australia, we expect a lower age ..
It is ALL RELATIVE... IS that hard to understand.

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so even if Khomeini's book was translated from Farsi into English, I would not read it .
PROVE HE IS DIRTY?
if you won't read it, how come you read the quotes.. translated by proxy.

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The ball is in your court to PROVE that he did not write the quotes taken directly from his book .
This is very silly of you.. (Logic 101).. you prove EXITSANCE... not NON-EXISTANCE.. you claim it is there.. prove it..
if you still insist on you illogical request.. the prove is easy.. GO READ THE BOOK, and YOU WILL NOT FIND THAT!!


btw.. i liked the joke of "Fully Developed breast".. there is nothing like fully develop.. beacsue breast continue its development AFTER PREGNANCY..
1.. you don't mary unless breast fully develop
2.. Breast does not full develop before first pregnancy (it continues its development during pregnacy)
conclusion 1-> Do not marry unless get pregnant..
conclusion 2-> Your Bible encourage impregnating before marriage
conclusion 3->your Bible encourage Adultry!!

((do you like it when i learn your way of logic ))
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Old 17th October 2002, 15:10
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Re: Why is it that Muslim Men are so OBSESSED with sex, particularly with children?

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[b][i]According to the Shía Cleric, the late Ayatollah Khomeini, it is LEGAL to marry a girl and have sex with her before she is an adult, and also it is LEGAL for men to have sex with ANIMALS, as long as they kill them later:
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Prophet Muhammad and Paedophilia + Some sayings of Ayatollah Khomeini:
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From "The Life of Muhammad"

After Khadijah died, Muhammad dreamed that he was to marry A'isha, the daughter of Abu Bakr. She was six and he was fifty. But firstly he married the widow Sawdah who was very motherly towards his children and, a few months later, to his child bride A'isha. She continued to play with her dolls for several years until, at the age of nine, her marriage was consummated.

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Rights of the Child (contd)
10 Aug. '00 Reformers in the Iranian parliament are seeking to raise the age of marriage for girls from 9 to 14 and boys from 15 to16. Currently the girl's age is determined by the A'isha/Muhammad marriage. She was six and he was fifty - he did "wait" until she was nine to consummate the marriage.
Penetration of young girls can seriously damage their reproductive organs, let alone any psychological harm it can do. The high maternal mortality rate can be directly attributed to this practice. Also children need time to have a childhood and also study.

For more on pedophilia
"Sayings of Khomeini". Warning the words of this "holy" man may cause you to vomit. Their authenticity has been verified. (See links on article.)

Some more Sayings of Ayatollah Khomeini

Ayatollah Khomeini:

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"A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However he should not penetrate, sodomising the child is OK. If the man penetrates and damages the child then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. his girl, however does not count as one of his four permanent wives. The man will not be eligible to marry the girls sister."
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From Khomeini's book, "Tahrirolvasyleh", fourth volume, Darol Elm, Gom, Iran, 1990


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"It is better for a girl to marry in such a time when she would begin menstruation at her husband's house rather than her father's home. Any father marrying his daughter so young will have a permanent place in heaven."
Quote:
From Khomeini's book, "Tahrirolvasyleh", fourth volume, Darol Elm, Gom, Iran, 1990 [Mohammad (founder of Islam) The Pedophile]


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"A man can have sex with animals such as sheep, cows, camels and so on. However he should kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He should not sell the meat to the people in his own village, however selling the meat to the next door village should be fine."
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From Khomeini's book, "Tahrirolvasyleh", fourth volume, Darol Elm, Gom, Iran, 1990


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"If one commits the act of sodomy with a cow, a ewe, or a camel, their urine and their excrement become impure, and even their milk may no longer be consumed. The animal must then be killed and as quickly as possible and burned."
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The little green book, Sayings of Ayatollah Khomeini, Political, Phylosophica, Social and Religious with a special introduction by Clive Irving, ISBN number 0-553-14032-9, page 47

GO JIBARO! GO JOBARO! GO JIBARO! IAM BACKING YOU UP! KEEP TELLING THE TRUTH. THE TRUTH SOMETIMES HURTS! GO JIBARO! GO JIBARO! GO JIBARO! GOD BLESS YOU! GOD IS ON YOUR SIDE! PRAISE HIM! THEY KNOW THE TRUTH AND THEY KNOW THAT MOHAMMED IS NOT THE WAY!
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